The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[SabbathBlessing]

You ignored my questions and insist on continuing to conflate the old and new covenants. I can see that your indoctrination runs very deep.

Your question is not something that is Biblical, you isolate the Sabbath when God did not. I do not think we can disobey God on anything and live, without repenting and turning from. Pro28:13 Sin is what separated us in the first place Isa 59:2 its not how we are reconciled. Rev14:12

Its what the apostles taught too

Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

God said If you love Me, keep My commandments Exo20:6 John14:15 I do not believe anyone who does not love God and submits to Him will see heaven. Heb10:26-30 Mat7:21-23 Luke6:46-48 and to be honest I am not sure why anyone would not want to do what He asks. If we trust what He wrote in 9 of His Ten Commandments Deut4:13 Exo34:28, why not trust and have faith in Him fully? We have to have room for faith so to forget the only commandment God said to Remember and made holy and blessed by the Creator of the Universe is just not logical to me, but guess it will sort itself out soon enough.

 

[vassal]

25 About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them, 26 and suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken. And immediately all the doors were opened, and everyone's bonds were unfastened. 27 When the jailer woke and saw that the prison doors were open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped.
28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here.” 29 And the jailer called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. 34 Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God. Acts 16

“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved,

What do you do when you believe someone, in this instance Jesus who says clearly, Keep my Commandments", would you not do as he ask?, Like i said you will understand one day, hopefully before the door is Shut!

 

[Undergrace1]

You ignored my questions and insist on continuing to conflate the old and new covenants. I can see that your indoctrination runs very deep.

Yes, they are under a form of the old covenant

 

[NightTwister]

I see a different pattern here, I guess God will sort this all out soon enough.

Or much later. Who knows?

 

[mailmandan]

Your question is not something that is Biblical, you isolate the Sabbath when God did not. I do not think we can disobey God on anything and live, without repenting and turning from. Pro28:13 Sin is what separated us in the first place Isa 59:2 its not how we are reconciled. Rev14:12

Its what the apostles taught too

Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

God said If you love Me, keep My commandments Exo20:6 John14:15 I do not believe anyone who does not love God and submits to Him will see heaven. Heb10:26-30 Mat7:21-23 Luke6:46-48 and to be honest I am not sure why anyone would not want to do what He asks. If we trust what He wrote in 9 of His Ten Commandments, why not just trust and have faith in Him fully? We have to have room for faith so to forget the only commandment God said to Remember and made holy and blessed by the Creator of the Universe is just not logical but guess it will sort itself out soon enough.

You have a misguided faith that trusts in your best efforts to obey the ten commandments as the means of your salvation instead of trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means your salvation. (Acts 15:7-9; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 1 Corinthians 1:18-21; 15:1-4)

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Can you show me where Jesus became the 4th commandment or how can any day be holy? Who makes something holy, God or man? When did God make any other day other but the seventh day Sabbath? Could you provide the Scriptures for this please? When did Jesus tell anyone not to keep the 4th comamndment? God knows we have works and labors that needs to take place, He cares about our needs and its not good to work everyday, He wants to spend sacred time with us, not to punish us but because He loves us and wants to bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12. God never said you pick the Sabbath, He was very specific and only blessed and sanctified one day, the seventh day Sabbath. He even asked us to Remember, because He knew most would forget. God is very specific. Remember it was a tree that separated man from God , or was it more about the voice behind who one is listening to. God said to Remember and keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exo20:8-11 another voice said to do something else. We are told whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16 so I believe its more than just a day, its showing loyalty and love to what I created asked.

Sorry, this should have read

and love to what "He" created and asked.

 

[vassal]

Yes, they are under a form of the old covenant

There are many different sabbaths in the law of Moses , more than 10. The 4th command is a sabbath but is distinct

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You have a misguided faith that trusts in your best efforts to obey the ten commandments as the means of your salvation instead of trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means your salvation. (Acts 15:7-9; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 1 Corinthians 1:18-21; 15:1-4)

Please stop gaslighting me and telling me what I believe.

No one can obey God on their own efforts, we can only obey God on submitting to Him through the Holy Spirit that He gives us for those who will John14:15-18 John15:4-10 The Ten Commandments is not our works, its God's works Exo32:16 what He does in us Heb8:10 , through faith and love .John14:15-18. In contrast doing something that God never asked is depending on ones own works instead of God's. Exo32:16 when we submit to His will, Psa 40:8 we are resting in Him. Isa 48:18 Rev 14:11-12

 

[Undergrace1]

There are many different sabbaths in the law of Moses , more than 10. The 4th command is a sabbath but is distinct

Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements(not some of the requirements) of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) Rom2:14&15
How many people do you think, if they had never known of biblical law would by instinct set aside a set Saturday sabbath?

 

[vassal]

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6

1 Peter 3:18-22
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

I will continue to follow the One who sits at the right hand of God

If you follow him then you obey the 10 commandments that he taught during his ministry the way he explained with mercy and love and not like the pharisees who made it a burden, do you agree?

 

[Undergrace1]

If you follow him then you obey the 10 commandments that he taught during his ministry the way he explained with mercy and love and not like the pharisees who made it a burden, do you agree?

Paul says we die to the law, we are released from it, and he gave an example of one of the TC concerning this, yet you say if we follow Jesus we will obey the TC How is that dying to the law and being released from it?

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

What do you do when you believe someone, in this instance Jesus who says clearly, Keep my Commandments", would you not do as he ask?, Like i said you will understand one day, hopefully before the door is Shut!

Right? Especially when Jesus went through so much trouble to save them. Talk about ungrateful.

 

[vassal]

Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements(not some of the requirements) of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) Rom2:14&15
How many people do you think, if they had never known of biblical law would by instinct set aside a set Saturday sabbath?

You deflect and make it something else

 

[Undergrace1]

You deflect and make it something else

Im not deflecting, you are. Paul says if we have never known of bibical law we can show the requirements(not some of the requirements) of the law are written on our hearts, obviously by the way we act.
So, if the fourth commandment as written is still in place, how many do you think will by instinct follow it if they have never known of biblical law?

 

[vassal]

You have a misguided faith that trusts in your best efforts to obey the ten commandments as the means of your salvation instead of trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means your salvation. (Acts 15:7-9; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 1 Corinthians 1:18-21; 15:1-4)

How do you explain what Jesus said clearly, if you want to enter life, keep my commandments?

 

[vassal]

Im not deflecting, you are. Paul says if we have never known of bibical law we can show the requirements(not some of the requirements) of the law are written on our hearts, obviously by the way we act.
So, if the fourth commandment as written is still in place, how many do you think will by instinct follow it if they have never known of biblical law?

Do you follow the sabbath as God ordained, as Jesus, the disciples and Paul did?

 

[Undergrace1]

How do you explain what Jesus said clearly, if you want to enter life, keep my commandments?

Carry each others burdens(love them) and so FULFILL the law of Christ Gal6:2
Jesus commands in the gospels are mainly examples of loving others, hence Paul's statement. You need to have love for others, by this will all men know you are Christ's disciple

 

[Undergrace1]

Do you follow the sabbath as God ordained, as Jesus, the disciples and Paul did?

More deflection, you would have been better off ignoring the post in my view!!

 

[Undergrace1]

Do you follow the sabbath as God ordained, as Jesus, the disciples and Paul did?

Go on then, in relation to what Paul wrote, which you have to ignore, I would not have known by instinct, if I had never read of biblical law, I should set aside a set saturday sabbath, therefore, according to what Paul wrote, that law as written was never placed in my heart

 

[Dino246]

Acts 15 records a defining moment in the early church’s understanding of the gospel and the relationship between God’s law and salvation. Certain men taught that Gentile believers could not be saved unless they were circumcised and kept the Law of Moses (Acts 15:1, KJV). This teaching raised a crisis because it appeared to make salvation dependent not solely on Christ’s work but on observance of Jewish ritual requirements.

You (or whoever wrote the article) cited the text but immediately misrepresented it. Nothing is said about “Jewish ritual requirements”. No; it clearly says, “the law of Moses” in verse 5, and simply, “the law” in verse 24.

The concern was not whether Gentiles would be righteous by law‑keeping alone, but whether they would be saved by faith expressed in obedience — a core theme of the New Testament (James 2:17).

Again the biblical text is misrepresented. Completely. Horribly.

These instructions did not reflect a denial of God’s moral law; rather, they functioned as initial guidelines for Gentiles coming out of pagan practice.

Again, nothing in the text says that these were “initial” guidelines. In contrast, the text states,

“For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15‬:‭28‬ ‭KJV‬‬