The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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mailmandan said:
Your smile emoji has self-righteousness written all over it. What do you believe it means to "keep" (Greek word - "tereo") God's commandments? Perfectly obey 100% of the time or something else? It's painfully obvious that whatever you believe it means, you believe that you have sufficiently done so and will receive eternal life based on that standard but as for believers who find their 'sabbatismos' rest in Christ (Hebrews 4:9) and not in observing a day (Colossians 2:16-17) you would say we have not kept the 4th commandment and therefore, (have not kept God's commandments) and we will not be saved because of it. That's what this whole division between SDA's and non-SDA believers is all about. Just admit it.
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I am just going to ignore the personal digs and just know there is more spiritual growth needed.

God never plucked out the 4th commandment from His law and Testimony, man did that not He. We are not judged based on one commandment, they came in a unit of Ten placed together by God Himself Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Exo31:18 breaking one we break them all James2:11-12. Its not just about the Sabbath, its all of them collectively, the Sabbath however is the one commandment that tells us which God we are to worship Exo20:11 Rev14:7 and is blessed and made holy by the God of Creation, and its sad its the one that is mostly attacked.
 
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16

because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, Ephesians 2:8
 
pinebeach said:
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16

because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, Ephesians 2:8
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it is not as simple as just believing Pinebeach as you will find out eventually. true faith is doing God's will, for us gentiles, to follow Jesus and do as he asked.
 
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NightTwister said:
It wasn't until 1980 that the SDA officially accepted Trinitarian doctrine. They have long history of heretical and heterodox teachings.
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The amount of misinformation is amazing

In Evangelism
  • Ev 615.1 — “There are three living persons of the heavenly trio… the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit…”
    “The Comforter… is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead…” )
  • Ev 616.4 — “The eternal heavenly dignitaries—God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit…”
  • Ev 616.5 — “the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person…”
  • Ev 617.2 — “the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.”
  • Ev 617.3 — “the three highest powers in heaven,—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost…”
In The Desire of Ages (1898)

  • DA 671.2 — “Sin… could be resisted… only through… the Third Person of the Godhead…”
  • DA 530.3 — “In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived.”
 
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vassal said:
it is not as simple as just believing Pinebeach as you will find out eventually. true faith is doing God's will, for us gentiles, to follow Jesus and do as he asked.
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1 Peter 3:18-22
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

Gee, I think I will continue to follow the One who sits at the right hand of God.
 
pinebeach said:
because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
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Did you catch that part of your copy-and-paste where it says Jesus is Lord? That means you're to acknowledge His authority over you making obedience to Him part of salvation.

Jesus must be both Lord, and Savior for salvation, not just Savior.


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SabbathBlessing said:
The amount of misinformation is amazing

In Evangelism
  • Ev 615.1 — “There are three living persons of the heavenly trio… the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit…”
    “The Comforter… is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead…” )
  • Ev 616.4 — “The eternal heavenly dignitaries—God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit…”
  • Ev 616.5 — “the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person…”
  • Ev 617.2 — “the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.”
  • Ev 617.3 — “the three highest powers in heaven,—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost…”
In The Desire of Ages (1898)

  • DA 671.2 — “Sin… could be resisted… only through… the Third Person of the Godhead…”
  • DA 530.3 — “In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived.”
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It wasn't codified until the General Conference on 1980. You can try to hide it all you want, but there it is.
 
NightTwister said:
It wasn't codified until the General Conference on 1980. You can try to hide it all you want, but there it is.
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The founder of the SDA church believed in it from the very beginning, it all throughout her writings.

Not sure why every post is either a dig or an accusation. I keep forgetting I am on a Christian forum. I can't imagine this is how Jesus would want us to speak with each other, The spirit of accusations is not coming from Jesus. We really need to keep this in mind when we are speaking with others even if we don't agree with them. You are free to do what you want obviously.
 
I'm going to address the continued lie in this thread and several other threads by the same op.

It is a lie to continue to state we, as believers who do not think the commandments are the way to God with a little help from Jesus, believe sin is allowed or that we do not believe in morality or think the commandments have passed away. Those are some of the lies being posted and maybe the worst. There are others but posting lies is more of a problem for the one who do that so let God deal with that.

However, since so much has been posted about us supposedly believing we do not take the commandments as from God, I am stating for anyone who has the eyes to see and the brain to acknowledge, that has never been said by anyone other than those who make that false accusation.

We take the commandments so seriously, that we do not trust in our own efforts or the ability to keep the commandments since there is no record of anyone ever doing that and being human myself, I know that is impossible.

We believe in salvation through Jesus only and we believe that His sacrifice alone has atoned for our sins. These people who insist they keep the commandments and 'use' Jesus to help them continue to falsely accuse and I guess that will be between God and them one day.

So, don't fall for the obvious baiting to try and draw you into an arguement or defend yourself from the lies. Scripture itself is enough to destroy the lies but remember, these folks do not believe Paul is authorative so their view is not the gospel. They will not even acknowlege what both John and Peter had to say regarding the authenticity of Paul as an Apostle called by God.

That being said, I am positive these people have not been called by God to try and make a lie a large portion of the New Testament. They are not the first and won't be the last to attack the gospel and it should be noted, that the very tactics being used are actually described in scripture.

Simple, really. Jesus = salvation and there is no other name through which we can come to or approach God.

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 3:16
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Did you catch that part of your copy-and-paste where it says Jesus is Lord? That means you're to acknowledge His authority over you making obedience to Him part of salvation.

Jesus must be both Lord, and Savior for salvation, not just Savior.


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Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
pinebeach said:
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 3:16
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And the same Jesus is the one speaking the Ten Commandments and said right in them If you love Me, keep them Exo20:6 and said not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30 so not really sure the opposition as if only worshipping God is bad and doing the opposite is good and than applying this same logic to the other 9 commandments that God personally wrote. Its the other spirit that has deceived so many people that its good to disobey God and bad to obey Him.
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
The founder of the SDA church believed in it from the very beginning, it all throughout her writings.

Not sure why every post is either a dig or an accusation. I keep forgetting I am on a Christian forum. I can't imagine this is how Jesus would want us to speak with each other, The spirit of accusations is not coming from Jesus. We really need to keep this in mind when we are speaking with others even if we don't agree with them. You are free to do what you want obviously.
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It's clear from the history of the SDA that Trinitiarian doctrine was not solidified until 1980. You can deny that there was never any controversy over it if you want, but the record is clear. By some accounts, there are still some who don't hold to it, but I have no specific evidence of that.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
And the same Jesus is the one speaking the Ten Commandments and said right in them If you love Me, keep them Exo20:6 and said not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30 so not really sure the opposition as if only worshipping God is bad and doing the opposite is good and than applying this same logic to the other 9 commandments that God personally wrote. Its the other spirit that has deceived so many people that its good to disobey God and bad to obey Him.
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25 About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them, 26 and suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken. And immediately all the doors were opened, and everyone's bonds were unfastened. 27 When the jailer woke and saw that the prison doors were open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped.
28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here.” 29 And the jailer called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. 34 Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God. Acts 16

“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved,
 
SabbathBlessing said:
I am just going to ignore the personal digs and just know there is more spiritual growth needed.

God never plucked out the 4th commandment from His law and Testimony, man did that not He. We are not judged based on one commandment, they came in a unit of Ten placed together by God Himself Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Exo31:18 breaking one we break them all James2:11-12. Its not just about the Sabbath, its all of them collectively, the Sabbath however is the one commandment that tells us which God we are to worship Exo20:11 Rev14:7 and is blessed and made holy by the God of Creation, and its sad its the one that is mostly attacked.
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The forth commandment states to keep the Sabbath holy. It doesn't say keep Saturday holy. When Jesus had His sacrificial death, He became our Sabbath rest . We should still keep the Sabbath holy as God had written in our hearts, but now we can make any day a Sabbath unto Him abd keep it holy, not just Saturday.

This is clearly in the Bible. SDAs are ignoring what God is saying about that and other things in the Bible. For not listening to God, why should any Christians have to listen to the SDAs?


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NightTwister said:
It's clear from the history of the SDA that Trinitiarian doctrine was not solidified until 1980. You can deny that there was never any controversy over it if you want, but the record is clear. By some accounts, there are still some who don't hold to it, but I have no specific evidence of that.
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Yet the main founder believed in it from the very beginning. Just because something wasn't codified doesn;t mean that belief was not valid or what was believed.
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
The forth commandment states to keep the Sabbath holy. It doesn't say keep Saturday holy. When Jesus had His sacrificial death, He became our Sabbath rest . We should still keep the Sabbath holy as God had written in our hearts, but now we can make any day a Sabbath unto Him abd keep it holy, not just Saturday.

This is clearly in the Bible. SDAs are ignoring what God is saying about that and other things in the Bible. For not listening to God, why should any Christians have to listen to the SDAs?


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I have never asked anyone to believe the SDA church, my point is to believe God.

What day is the Sabbath according to God? God not only spoke this He wrote this with His own finger. He could not have been more plain about this.

Exo20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

God made the seventh day and the Sabbath day interchangeable from Creation.

Exo20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Why almost all ancient languages Saturday literally translates into the Sabbath day chart-of-the-week.pdf

The 4th commandment is not just the Sabbath commandment, its how God commanded for man to keep all days Exo20:8-11

God never blessed or sactified any other day except the Sabbath. The Catholic church transferred the Sabbath for corporate worship to Sunday, and they admit to this fact. This was foretold would happen in Scripture not by God Dan7:25 that many follow instead of what God said. Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath, not Lord of the first day Mark2:28 the Sabbath is the holy day of the LORD Isa 58:13 and God said He does not change Mal3:6. Man assigned God another day He said was for works and labors- There is not one verse in all of Scripture where God scarified and made holy the first day for Him or for us. Its just a man-made tradition that sadly competes with the God of Creation Exo20:11, the only God we are told to worship Rev14:7

Can you please share what you think SDA's are ignoring in the Bible please?
 
SabbathBlessing said:
I am just going to ignore the personal digs and just know there is more spiritual growth needed.

God never plucked out the 4th commandment from His law and Testimony, man did that not He. We are not judged based on one commandment, they came in a unit of Ten placed together by God Himself Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Exo31:18 breaking one we break them all James2:11-12. Its not just about the Sabbath, its all of them collectively, the Sabbath however is the one commandment that tells us which God we are to worship Exo20:11 Rev14:7 and is blessed and made holy by the God of Creation, and its sad its the one that is mostly attacked.
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You ignored my questions and insist on continuing to conflate the old and new covenants. I can see that your indoctrination runs very deep.
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
The forth commandment states to keep the Sabbath holy. It doesn't say keep Saturday holy. When Jesus had His sacrificial death, He became our Sabbath rest . We should still keep the Sabbath holy as God had written in our hearts, but now we can make any day a Sabbath unto Him abd keep it holy, not just Saturday.

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Can you show me where Jesus became the 4th commandment or how can any day be holy? Who makes something holy, God or man? When did God make any other day other but the seventh day Sabbath? Could you provide the Scriptures for this please? When did Jesus tell anyone not to keep the 4th comamndment? God knows we have works and labors that needs to take place, He cares about our needs and its not good to work everyday, He wants to spend sacred time with us, not to punish us but because He loves us and wants to bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12. God never said you pick the Sabbath, He was very specific and only blessed and sanctified one day, the seventh day Sabbath. He even asked us to Remember, because He knew most would forget. God is very specific. Remember it was a tree that separated man from God , or was it more about the voice behind who one is listening to. God said to Remember and keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exo20:8-11 another voice said to do something else. We are told whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16 so I believe its more than just a day, its showing loyalty and love to what I created asked.
 
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