The 10 commandments have not changed they are written on the heart in the new.
They are all in the new Testament.
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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They are all in the new Testament.
The word of God is truth and reveals God's direction...2Ti 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Instruction in righteousness.
I'm not the judge of peoples hearts.
But in the reformation, people stopped following catholic tradition and became convicted about things like righteousness by faith.. As time went on more and more doctrines were corrected and truth was found. These men may not have had all the truth but they were making a stand for what they had.
Will they be lost because they did not have all the truth? No
Catholics changed the 10 commandments... one person lives in accordance to the truth they have and God knows their heart. ...another person is shown the changes and is shown the error and is convicted to change their belief. They are convicted and need to choose.. ignore the Spirit or follow the Spirits leading.
God knows the hearts and will judge them accordingly.
The word will lead us to the truth and the Holy Spirit will convict our conscience on these matters..
Love is in us all and the last 6 of the 10 commandments are about loving each other, the Holy Spirit can use this to convict each other on these points.
The laws in non Christian countries are often in line with these last 6 commandments. But when it comes to the first 4 we need to know God. Who is the God we love. By knowing God we are convicted about these 4 commandments.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mar 2: 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Jas 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Rev 22:14 KJV Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
God gave 10 commandments and you are trying to tell me there is only 9 today.
God knows the beginning from the end and He knew that the new covenant was coming.. Why would God put one, that would be removed, in with the 9 that wouldn't.. that's confusing.
God's law is to be written on the heart.
And that was said in the old Testament times.. Jer 31:33.
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The church I went to on a Saturday, that believed a set Saturday Sabbath should be obeyed, also believed the levitical unclean food laws were in place. Yet Paul twice states in Rom 14 ALL(ALL) food is clean.
In Acts 15, the first century church leaders met to decide which Mosaic laws gentiles be asked to follow, only four were mentioned, three of which are widely believed to have been given to bring unity at the meeting. Avoiding the levitical unclean foods was not one of the four given
As sin is the transgression of the law, it is an irrefutable fact, that if the church I went to on a Saturday was correct, the first century church leaders, including Peter, Paul and James gave gentile converts a licence to sin. I don't know what denomination you belong to, but I would not consider that denomination an authority on applicable law, bearing in mind what I have explained concerning Acts 15
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Just to add, please do not ignore what I pointed out to you. Under the NC applicable law is in the hearts and minds of believers, a believer MUST have heartfelt consciousness of sin if they wilfully transgress any law placed in their heart. That is according to two verses of scripture Im sure you hold dear and are core tenets of the faith.
People who keep using the words ''Ten Commandments'' are looking to an external law written in ink, that is not where the law now is for the believer. The internal law will convict of sin to a far greater degree than an external law written in ink ever will. Which is why I imagine, I was shocked and stunned to witness people in a church on Saturday laughing and joking as they took the Lord's name in vain.
Also, Paul tells us we are released from the law and serve in the new way of the Spirit NOT the old way of the written code/law(Rom7:6)
People who keep repeating you must obey the TC backed the wrong horse as it were
For you either follow the written code or the Spirit, the spirit leads us into truth'
And I have to be honest here. When I sat in a circle for bible study in the church on Saturday one overwhelming thought hit me ''Where is the Holy Spirit.
Im sorry but spirit filled christians will not commit sin without consciousness they are doing so, and spirit filled christians understand where the bar is set to obey the TC. And no one who has such inner conviction is going to keep repeating ''you must obey the TC''
I imagine very view who do keep repeating that, relate obedience to what goes on, on the inside of them, it is all about outward appearance, because if it wasn't they would be spending an awful lot of time on their knees repenting of transgressing the TC
Do you see the differences between to different laws? At least see the difference between the eternal moral law of God and the temporary ceremonial law of Moses.
While both originated from God, they serve different purposes: one is a transcript of His character that stands forever, while the other was a system of types and shadows pointing to the work of Jesus Christ.
if you are willing to SEE they are not the same law.
The Writing of the Two Laws Were different. God and Moses.
Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee
The Moral Law is Perfect.
The law of the Lord is described as perfect, holy, just, and good. Psalm 19:7, Romans 7:12
It is a "royal law" and a "law of liberty" by which all humanity will be judged James 2:8-12.
The Ceremonial Law was a Yoke.
This system of carnal ordinances and washings was described as a yoke that was difficult to bear Acts 15:10.
It was "the handwriting of ordinances" that was contrary to us because it constantly reminded us of sin without having the power to take it away. Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 10:1-4.
The Scriptures are clear about how long each law was intended to last. If it is all the same law you can't have it both ways.
Jesus stated emphatically that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law as long as heaven and earth remain Matthew 5:17-19. This law gives us the knowledge of sin and remains the standard of righteousness. Romans 3:20, 1John 3:4.
The law of Moses was "added because of transgressions" and was designed to be a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ Galatians 3:19, 24. It contained shadows of things to come and reached its fulfillment when Jesus died on the cross, "blotting out the handwriting of ordinances" and nailing it to His cross Colossians 2:14-17.
By keeping this distinction clear, we can truly appreciate the "faith of Jesus" while still honoring the "commandments of God" Revelation 14:12
Concerning Acts 15.. I would not say this is a complete standard of right and wrong.. there are hundreds of laws in the bible and we need to look at the whole Bible to understand which laws are to be obeyed.
What about witchcraft is this okay?
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
The law of Moses, more then 600 laws.
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
These were the things that needed addressing at that time.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing....
I do not know the outcome of all the disputing, but know that there are things in the 600 plus laws that we should obey today.
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Do you have any suggestions? I see you are poking through about 600
What did Peter say about Paul?
And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. II Peter 3:15-16
Oh no. I cannot imagine anyone would be unstable enough to twist what Paul writes to their own destruction!
So yeah, Peter accepted Paul's letters as teaching from God through His Spirit. So, don't be ignorant!
And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. II Peter 3:15-16
Oh no. I cannot imagine anyone would be unstable enough to twist what Paul writes to their own destruction!
So yeah, Peter accepted Paul's letters as teaching from God through His Spirit. So, don't be ignorant!
I see that some laws address moral issues, and some laws address ceremonial issues. I also see that Scripture treats "the law" as a unit; you break one ordinance, and you have broken "the law". I do not see any passage in Scripture that tells us some laws are "moral" and some aren't.
How are we changed? By beholding.
God does not force. Jesus knocks at the door.
It is a law both of the intellectual and the spiritual nature that by beholding we become changed. The mind gradually adapts itself to the subjects upon which it is allowed to dwell. It becomes assimilated (part of, adapted, transformed) to that which it is accustomed to love and reverence. Man will never rise higher than his standard of purity or goodness or truth. If self is our greatest or highest ideal, we will never attain to anything more exalted. Rather, we will constantly sink lower and lower. The grace of God alone has power to exalt us. Left to self, our course must inevitably be downward.
How are we going to become a sabbath keeper and observe it, or be convicted by it, unless we behold the golden standard.
Jesus and the word of God.
In the first commandment, God says that thou shalt have no other Gods before me. The "before" spoken here could also be translated as "besides". This was written, depending upon which date one subscribes to, between 1300 and 1600 years before Christ. Before the Trinity became the established doctrinal position of the christian church at large.
The third commandment addresses the taking of Gods name in vain. The name referred to is YHWH or Yahweh, or Jehovah, depending again upon which name one subscribes to. But now we have another name in which to place our trust, that of Yeshua, or Jesus.
The fourth commandment strictly forbids any labor be performed beginning Friday night at sundown until the following day at sundown, or what would be our Saturday. But Christ repeatedly violated this commandment, and did so intentionally, but not without explanation. Stating that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.
The sixth commandment prohibits murder. But Christ said do not resist evil at all, turn the other cheek, and do not even speak harshly to your brother.
Christ also specifically elaborates and enhances our understanding of the 7th and 9th commandments.
And taught a great deal about issues directly related to the 8th and 10th, greatly expanding our understanding in regards to money and material possessions.
I mention all of this because, upon an even casual reading of the Gospels, its quite obvious that Christ has enlightened our understanding of the intent of the Old Covenant to such a degree, that any effort to live by the letter of those commandments, would not be seen by God as obedience, but an effort to shield oneself from the obligation to actually obey them in Spirit and Truth. Much like the Pharisees, whom He constantly reprimanded for doing just that.
So the Old Covenant, while it has not changed, thanks to the teachings of Christ and the revelation of the Holy Spirit, our understanding of the law has been entirely transformed. And as you noted, written upon our hearts. But what has been written there is not the letter of the Old Covenant, which has been fulfilled by Christ. But the Spirit of the New Covenant in His blood.
All scripture is God breathed and useful for our instruction. But we are under no burden to live out the letter of the law, and any attempt at doing so benefits us not at all. Because no matter how much effort we expend, that effort will never be pleasing to God, since it is a work of the flesh and there is no profit in works of the flesh, neither can there be.
Those who are born of the Spirit, must walk in the Spirit. Loving God, loving our neighbor, loving our brethren, from a place of gratitude for those things which God has already accomplished on our behalf. Not in any vain attempt to earn His favor through obedience. The very definition of grace, is unmerited favor.
The ten commandments "were" the covenant. And no man ever kept them until Christ, not one. To say that the ten commandments are the covenant today is foolishness, as again, no man can keep them but Christ. Everything is new, the old things have passed away. We are called to walk in newness of life, in and by the the Spirit.
I have no desire to put myself back under the law, as to do so would make it impossible for me to please God, which us the one thing I desire to do above all else.
I unapologetically declare to anyone who would try to place me back under the law, you do not have the Spirit of Christ, but that of the Pharisee. Repent and believe the Gospel.
I agree in the heart the law is much better.. but be careful that you are not making self the new standard. That is spiritualism.. that is what the devil said to Eve.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Thus, in place of the righteousness and perfection of the infinite God, the true object of adoration; in place of the perfect righteousness of His law, the true standard of human attainment, Satan has substituted the sinful, evil nature of man himself as the only object of adoration, the only rule of judgment, or standard of character. This is not upward, but downward progress.
Our nature is not the standard of righteousness. Our righteousness is as filthy rages.
"Backing the wrong horse", amen.
I might add, " that dog won't hunt".
The words He speaks to us are Spirit and Truth. Which actually calls us to a much higher standard than, how did Paul put it, "The weak and beggarly elements of the law"?
“But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?”
Galatians
Jesus never violated the sabbath.
How did He violate the sabbath.
Remember. ...
Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3 But He (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mar 7:9 And He said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Jesus may have violated the traditions of men but He never violated the perfect law of God.
You seem very set in your ways..
Why did God give the law of liberty, the royal law if no one could keep it? Not even Christ, (you said Christ did not keep the sabbath commandment).
Over 2800 posts have been made and the ground has been covered many times.
Some are for obeying the law of 10 commandments written on the heart.
Some are not.
From a different angle....
The SDA church has been teaching that times and laws were changed by the Catholic church. That Saturday sabbath was changed to Sunday sabbath. They also teach that a law is going to be legislated by America to rest on Sunday.
This prediction which they claim is from the bible and God has been around for many years.. I will quote..
"The dignitaries of church and state will unite to bribe, persuade, or compel all classes to honor the Sunday. The lack of divine authority will be supplied by oppressive enactments. Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance. Liberty of conscience, which has cost so great a sacrifice, will no longer be respected."
You can read it in "The Great Controversy" page 592.
They say this will happen just before the second coming of Jesus.
I'm not going to say you have to believe it, if it is not from God it will come to nothing like all false prophets.
But if it is from God and you start to see these things happening before your eyes.
Should you acknowledge it as truth? Maybe this was from God.
Written over 120 years ago, it isn't an accident.
I'm just sharing what has been written.
Prophesy or not, time will tell.
If you start to see church and state coming together to change laws, maybe it is time you picked up the book "The Great Controversy" to see what else is coming true.