The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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There have been some silly arguments on this thread, but this might be the silliest one of all.
So loving God means not only worshipping Him, not using His name in only a holy manner, loving our neighbor means stealing from them and lying to them. So the summary of love is what we want it to be, not what God says. There is no logic to this argument and its what million of professed Christians try to make this case, they claim, no we would never do these things, but than apply a different standard to the one commandment God said to Remember- that comes with God's blessings and sanctification as if man can do this themselves that came in this same unit written by the Holy Spirit, the same unit God claimed as His commandments Exo20:6.
 
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I never said the Holy Spirit is the law of Moses, not sure where you got that from, but the Ten Commandments is the Law of God thus saith the Lord Exo20:6 Deut4:13 written by God, the One who created you, me, Moses and everything in the entire Universe, not man Exo31:18

This is not really a response to my post. But that's okay. Take care

Yeah I get that you don't understand what the new law of God is.
 
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Yeah I get that you don't understand what the new law of God is.

You mean the New Covenant. There is no Scripture that says a new commandment deletes all other laws.

The New Covenant is God's laws (that only He can define) that went from tablets of stone, to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 what Jesus came to do, magnify His laws Isa 42:21 not to end or destroy as many people teach. Its still a sin to break the law of God 1John3:4 James2:11 but believe as you wish all will get sorted out in God's time.
 
So loving God means not only worshipping Him, not using His name in only a holy manner, loving our neighbor means stealing from them and lying to them. So the summary of love is what we want it to be, not what God says. There is no logic to this argument and its what million of professed Christians try to make this case, they claim, no we would never do these things, but than apply a different standard to the one commandment God said to Remember- that comes with God's blessings and sanctification as if man can do this themselves that came in this same unit written by the Holy Spirit, the same unit God claimed as His commandments Exo20:6.
Even you are able to identify examples of loving God and loving your neighbor without the need for the Mosaic law. Others are able to do the same.
 
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You mean the New Covenant. There is no Scripture that says a new commandment deletes all other laws.

The New Covenant is God's laws (that only He can define) that went from tablets of stone, to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 what Jesus came to do, magnify His laws Isa 42:21 not to end or destroy as many people teach. Its still a sin to break the law of God 1John3:4 James2:11 but believe as you wish all will get sorted out in God's time.

You think that righteousness is achieved by following a written list of commandments that demand righteousness.

Righteousness is a living spirit that shows us how to do righteousness when we follow it. The list as a way of righteousness becomes irrelevant when righteousness itself teaches us how to walk righteously. Then the list becomes a description of how we are walking.
 
Even you are able to identify examples of loving God and loving your neighbor without the need for the Mosaic law. Others are able to do the same.
The Ten Commandments is not the law of Moses- not sure where you are getting that from. God claimed this unit of Ten Deut4:13 as His commandments Exo20:6 - written by God Exo31:18, not Moses. They have God's name in each of the commandments that pertain to loving Him, not Moses. Exo20:1-11 They are in the ark of God Exo40:20 not Moses. Moses did not take credit for them in any way and he was there Exo32:16. Moses wrote a different law, in a book placed besides the Ten Commandments Deut 31:24-26 The Ten Commandments were included in the law of Moses because all of God's people keep God's commandments Rev14:12 His version, not what man tried edited. Dan7:25 The Ten Commandments are shown in principle before Moses because they belong to God and God is eternal.
 
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Difference between following the 10 commandments and following the holy spirit

Following the 10 commandments
  1. No other gods before Me.
  2. No idols.
  3. Do not misuse God's name.
  4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
  5. Honor your parents.
  6. Do not murder.
  7. Do not commit adultery.
  8. Do not steal.
  9. Do not bear false witness.
  10. Do not covet.
Following the holy spirit
  1. You are not having other gods before God
  2. You are not worhsiping idols
  3. You are not taking God's name in vain
  4. You are keeping the sabbath holy
  5. You are honoring your parents
  6. You are not murdering
  7. You are not committing adultery
  8. You are not stealing
  9. You are not bearing false witness
  10. You are not coveting
 
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You think that righteousness is achieved by following a written list of commandments that demand righteousness.

Righteousness is a living spirit that shows us how to do righteousness when we follow it. The list as a way of righteousness becomes irrelevant when righteousness itself teaches us how to walk righteously. Then the list becomes a description of how we are walking.
So we depend on our version of what right and wrong is and not God's Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2. Thank you, but no thanks.

Jer 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

Our righteousness (what we deem right and wrong) is as fifthly rags why we need to depend on God's. His is everlasting Psa 119:142 Psa 119:172

Anyway, its best I move on.
 
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Difference between following the 10 commandments and following the holy spirit

Following the 10 commandments
  1. No other gods before Me.
  2. No idols.
  3. Do not misuse God's name.
  4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
  5. Honor your parents.
  6. Do not murder.
  7. Do not commit adultery.
  8. Do not steal.
  9. Do not bear false witness.
  10. Do not covet.
Following the holy spirit
  1. You are not having other gods before God
  2. You are not worhsiping idols
  3. You are not taking God's name in vain
  4. You are keeping the sabbath holy
  5. You are honoring your parents
  6. You are not murdering
  7. You are not committing adultery
  8. You are not stealing
  9. You are not bearing false witness
  10. You are not coveting
But are we keeping them based on how God told us to, or what we have replaced them with what we think and feel instead, that we know better than the God who wrote them.

God's laws and God's Spirit are not at odds. God's laws was written personally by the Holy Spirit Exo31:18 so He helping us keep them would not be against how He wrote them.
 
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So we depend on our version of what right and wrong is and not God's Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2. Thank you, but no thanks.

Jer 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

Our righteousness (what we deem right and wrong) is as fifthly rags why we need to depend on God's. His is everlasting Psa 119:142 Psa 119:172

Anyway, its best I move on.

It's not our version. It's what Christ commanded
 
It's not our version. It's what Christ commanded
God is eternal. The same God in the OT, is the same God in the NT. Jesus is the great I AM. He is the one speaking His commandments in the OT at Mt Sinai. He is the same Christ who tells us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30 and He said when we lay aside the commandment of God quoting from the Ten Commandments we are laying aside the word of God making His word of no effect, and ones heart is far from Him (Rom 8:7-8) not accepting what God placed in our hearts- His laws Heb8:10 and essentially worshipping Him in vain. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13. God has one law under His mercy seat, the Ten Commandments and its in heaven Rev 11:18-19 Rev15:5 God's perfect law Psa 19:7 that is holy, just and good Rom7:12 that man should not be tinkering with, Ecc3:14 Deut4:2 Mat5:18-19 because man is not God.
 
But are we keeping them based on how God told us to, or what we have replaced them with what we think and feel instead, that we know better than the God who wrote them.

God's laws and God's Spirit are not at odds. God's laws was written personally by the Holy Spirit Exo31:18 so He helping us keep them would not be against how He wrote them.

Christ commanded us to pay attention to the spirit, not the letter, ie, "You have heard it said, 'Do not do ...', but I say to you ..."
 
God is eternal. The same God in the OT, is the same God in the NT. Jesus is the great I AM. He is the one speaking His commandments in the OT at Mt Sinai. He is the same Christ who tells us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30 and He said when we lay aside the commandment of God quoting from the Ten Commandments we are laying aside the word of God making His word of no effect, and essentially worshipping Him in vain. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13

Just unending SDA talking points. I pity the poor people who fall for this deceit.
 
Just unending SDA talking points. I pity the poor people who fall for this deceit.
A lot of professed followers of God killed God's prophets, apostles and God's only Son, thinking they were doing God's work. They called Christ and His apostles names, said they were from the devil. Many got it wrong then, many more will get it wrong again. God will sort it all out soon enough. We were told those who want to keep God's commandments would be persecuted Rev12:17 so thanks for the blessing. Matthew 5:11
 
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The holy spirit is not the law of Moses, so non sequitur. The spirit is it's own law. Follow it and you don't have to follow the 10 commandments to do the righteousness they demand.


God IS "ONE" there is only ONE LAW - ONE WAY,, and all better hope God obeys HIS own Law, HIS 10 Commandments, if He did not, I doubt there would be one human alive today --- and rightfully so! There is not one good --- no not one!

Just look around the US and the whole world today --- absolutely lawless and the pain, suffering and death is growing exponentially -- yet there are many that hate and despise the Torah??? get ready for more pain!
 
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God IS "ONE" there is only ONE LAW - ONE WAY,, and all better hope God obeys HIS own Law, HIS 10 Commandments, if He did not, I doubt there would be one human alive today --- and rightfully so! There is not one good --- no not one!

Just look around the US and the whole world today --- absolutely lawless and the pain, suffering and death is growing exponentially -- yet there are many that hate and despise the Torah??? get ready for more pain!

God is not the 10 commandments
 
A lot of professed followers of God killed God's prophets, apostles and God's only Son, thinking they were doing God's work. They called Christ and His apostles names, said they were from the devil. Many got it wrong then, many more will get it wrong again. God will sort it all out soon enough. We were told those who want to keep God's commandments would be persecuted Rev12:17 so thanks for the blessing. Matthew 5:11

This must be start of the year 2026 membership drive for the SDA
 
This must be start of the year 2026 membership drive for the SDA
We do not need memberships, but welcome all. We just want to get the message out to the people as laid out in Revelation 14. Jesus is coming soon and as Jesus taught- repent (turn and forsake sin Pro28:13 1John3:4 James2:11) for the Kingdom of God is at hand.
 
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We do not need memberships, but welcome all. We just want to get the message out to the people as laid out in Revelation 14. Jesus is coming soon and as Jesus taught- repent (turn and forsake sin Pro28:13 1John3:4 James2:11) for the Kingdom of God is at hand.

If SDA didn't aggressively recruit it would bleed to death

SDA Church Rapidly Losing Members
https://www.nonsda.org/sda_losing_members.shtml