You asked if we had the death penalty in the US, and more specifically in Minnesota. Simple, ask google.
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It has nothing to do with this thread. We have threads that cover the death penalty, for example "State seeks death penalty in Austin Drummond case"
Get your discussion there. I have already expressed my opinion on this subject though I don't remember which thread.
But I will say this, if I was ever wrongly convicted of a crime that carried the death penalty as an option I would definitely ask the judge for the death penalty as that would give me the absolute best way to prove my innocence.
Kind of agree, kind of disagree. Since a central point here is if the ICE-man did kill the woman and deserves a punishment; and since killing another human being in the US might lead into death penalty, it's kind of relevant in my opinion.
If you don't agree with me, I'm perfectly all-right with that.
There is no state in the US that would carry the death penalty in this kind of shooting so even if he were charged with wrongful death it would never involve the death penalty. What is still possible is a lawsuit where ICE is sued because they didn't give him enough time off for PTSD after having been dragged by a previous car that ran him over.
However, I highly doubt that will ever happen because this woman's live in partner could face felony charges for her involvement in obstruction of justice. If she were to sue they would likely prosecute and counter sue her, she has received $1.5 million and the state has a case to blame her for the wrongful death since she egged the woman on and was involved in obstructing their actions.
Do you know anything about this case? You want to give the ICE agent the death penalty and yet you know nothing about the case? These two women were leading the protests against ICE, they had been trying to block their cars in and they had been harrassing agents for hours. At the time the woman tried to drive over the agent her partner said "Drive, baby, Drive" which is based on a quote from a vampire movie where this evil person is burning down a house and says "Burn, baby, Burn". This other woman could be prosecuted for her behavior that day as it was technically obstruction of justice. I don't think she will for two reasons, it would cause a big outrage, and secondly the lawyers would want to use this as a threat to keep her from suing ICE, the fact that they could prosecute her for a felony and counter sue her.
You brought up the death penalty with regards to this shooting, no one else has, and you have continually asked about the death penalty. Either this is total irrelevant drivvel on your part as some pathetic waste of everyone's time or else you were serious about the death penalty in this case.
Trump is gonna take Greenland and cure all the leftists from Stage 4 TDS with a vaccine.
Bet!
Everyone in the entire world has benefited from the death penalty
In 1892 fingerprints were first used to solve a crime. The officials had a witness who saw the crime and identified the murderer and they had spent days trying to beat a confession out of him but he refused to confess. Generally speaking in those days that would not stop them from throwing you in jail, however, because in this case the man would be put to death for the crime (it was a death penalty case) the investigator wanted to be sure. That was when they first used fingerprints to prove who the killer was and as it turned out, this man was innocent, the woman who claimed she saw him kill the children was in fact the killer. It is hard to calculate how many years of innocent people being put into prison have been eliminated because of that one discovery, and it never would have happened had it not been for the death penalty.
You see, what happens is that people really, really do not want to be wrong about giving people the death penalty. It seems they aren't so squeamish about sending innocent people to prison, back in 1892 estimates suggest that as many as 1/3 of all prisoners were innocent.
When I taught Forensics we went over many of the discoveries that were made and it hit me that the vast majority of these discoveries were made during death penalty cases and the reason they were made was because it was a death penalty case. Often the investigators were able to convince scientists to drop everything to help them simply because a man's life was on the line.
Now as far as I am concerned putting an innocent man in prison is a horrible crime too. You rob him of years of his life and you slander him with a false conviction that will be with him for his whole life.
So then, anyone who is against putting innocent people in prison for crimes they did not commit supports the death penalty, whether or not they understand that. Because the numbers of innocent in prison is way down from 1892. A reasonable estimate is 2-6%. But that is very misleading because if you have money in the US and can afford the best lawyers it is virtually impossible to be convicted unless you are guilty.
Which brings me to why I support the death penalty. About the only reason that innocent people go to prison these days is because they can't afford the best legal defense. However, that does not apply to people on death row because there are incredible resources available to them for free and you are given enough appeals that it generally takes 25 years before the sentence is carried out.
What I don't support is prison. In the Bible there is no prison. You get sold as a slave. For example, if you stole 100k an employer might come in and say they'll pay that 100k if you work for them as a slave for five years. So thieves do not go to prison. Rapists, it depends, if it was date rape either the rapist marries the woman he raped, or he pays the father a heavy price if he refuses him to be a son in law. However, if he is deemed a predator attacking and raping women who fought back then he is put to death. You don't put people to death for assault, back then it was "an eye for an eye" but you paid a very heavy price for injuring someone. Again, if you can't pay that price you are sold as a slave for the number of years it will take to pay off that price. Finally, murderers are put to death. A murderer is not a person being attacked with a deadly weapon who defends themself, that is called self defense.
What has happened in the US is the prison system has become big business. A criminal justice system is supposed to reduce crime and make the society safer. That is not what our prison system is doing. It is robbing men, as a result you have many children in broken families, you have gang members and poverty. Meanwhile taxpayers are the ones who pay the price for these crimes, not the criminals.
From 2020 to 2023, a four year period we averaged less than 20 executions nationwide. Meanwhile we average around 20,000 homicides nationwide each year. So 99.9% of convicted killers do not get the death penalty. Generally it is only the most horrific crimes where multiple people are killed and children are killed that would get the death penalty. Serial killers, terrorists, these are the people who get the death penalty.
Probably the most common use of the death penalty is using it as a bargaining chip for a murderer to confess. They offer the criminal a deal that if he pleads guilty he will get life and they'll take the death penalty off the table.
So this deals with the primary objection to the death penalty which is that innocent people are killed. The other objection to it is that the death penalty is more expensive. It is cheaper to the taxpayer to give a person life in prison than the death penalty because of all the appeals they get. I completely disagree with this objection, I want the death penalty to be the most expensive option. Why would I want it to be cheaper to kill a person? I don't want the judge to have any reason other than the fact that the person was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of a truly horrific crime.
So some "christians" here are positive to the death penalty.
Anyone else wanna say something about this topic ?
Anyone else wanna say something about this topic ?
I've said it before but here it is again.
In general i don't support the death penalty but i would leave it as an option IF the family wants it. For closure.
If the family wants it ???? That sounds like the rules of justice some 1000 years ago here in Norway, eventually the rules of mafia environments.
Hopefully, your opinion is not shared by most christians in the USA. But who knows ..... so many strange things are going on in US right now ..... *Stranger Things*
Boy you make me laugh with your clueless posts since you don't live in USA.
First of all my opinion is considered moderate by American standards and by your standard where you're ruled by some lady at the EU who doesn't let you work your land, is considered too extreme. So what we have in the mix is two polar opposites with a language barrier in the mix.
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As often with you, it's easy to reveal that you lack knowledge of certain matters.
Norway is not part of the EU. Didn't you know that? Your lack of knowledge is striking. In Norway, we have a saying for folks like you:
"Stor i ord, men liten på jord"
I choose not to translate it. If you have an IQ>50 you will sort it out. But really, you don't need more than IQ=80.
That will suit you just fine
