Is one’s eternal fate set in stone?

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Jeffrey Dahmer stayed in prison because he did kill and eat a lot of victims and he understood that. He didn'see his salvation in Christ as a get-out-of-jail pass. Freedom in Christ is about freedom from being enslaved to sin and no longer having hell as your destiny. From there on it is about living for God instead. Christians in jail know that.

This is not what I asked about. My request was a simple yes/no request. So please answer yes or no.
 
Then I have to admit the following:

I am an atheist. I do not believe in God or Jesus. So according to you, the reason for this is because of my ...... pride?
Are you serious? Can you define "pride" and put it into the context of this discussion?

Furthermore: Are you the kind of christian that thinks "hell" is just death into nothing (the empty void), or do you think "hell" is a place for eternal punishment?


Sure. Pride doesn't have to be pompous. It just means you want to run your life without God, your creators guidance. We've all been there. At some point, every Christian becomes aware of God’s presence and realize why God created everyone - to live for Him and with Him. Other people realize this too but choose to reject their real purpose for being.

Regarding hell, maybe you hadn't seen my previous post on it, but yes, I believe it is eternal conscious punishment Other people believe it is annihilation. Nether one of us want to find out for ourselves which one is true. And we don't want you to either.


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Regarding hell, maybe you hadn't seen my previous post on it, but yes, I believe it is eternal conscious punishment Other people believe it is annihilation. Nether one of us want to find out for ourselves which one is true. And we don't want you to either.

Thank you for your concern.

The doctrine of "annihillation" is interesting in a historical context. As you know, the nazis killed around 6 000 000 jews during Holocaust. Now, this way of getting rid of the "jew problem" was named, in German, "Die Endlösung" which translates to "The Final Solution". In some ways, this reminds me of the christian God's plan to get rid of these annoying non-christians. Just send them to Hell! The final solution! Annihillation! Let them die and forget them!

So, as a non-christian, I am - according to many christians - facing "Die Endlösung" which means either annihillation like I've never existed, or eternal pain and suffering in Hell.

Now, if this is the way of your God, I see some similarities between your God and Hitler. Say no more, think for yourselves.
No wonder I am an atheist.
 
Then I have to admit the following:

I am an atheist. I do not believe in God or Jesus. So according to you, the reason for this is because of my ...... pride?
Are you serious? Can you define "pride" and put it into the context of this discussion?

Furthermore: Are you the kind of christian that thinks "hell" is just death into nothing (the empty void), or do you think "hell" is a place for eternal punishment?

Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

In the future the mystery of God will be finished which all people will know who God is who is Jesus with physical evidence.

If you do not change your ways you will follow the new age christianity for you will not have a choice because you do not love the truth.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

The book of Revelation is a revealing of Jesus Christ to the world.

It is a warning to the world to get right with God to escape what shall happen on earth.

Which tells us of prophesy of people's condition being worse as time goes on.

Causing much chaos and destruction on earth.

Which they implement a system to try to bring peace on earth by coming together saying Peace and safety.

And implementing a system on a world wide scale based on the new age which interprets all religions the same that exalts people.

Because of these 2 factors wanting peace and their viewpoint of reality has changed they will implement a system that is in opposition to God.

Causing God to end sin on earth.

Which they stopped the preaching of the Gospel and the belief in a personal God and nothing can be taught contrary to the new age.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of the Cosmos, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

The New Age Christ will push the agenda of the new age trying to convince them that all religions are compatible.

Which will also pull in the atheists and non religious.

The wrath of God happens when He puts down all rule, power, and authority.

Chaos before that is the doing of people leading up to the beast kingdom.

Which they think they have the solution to have peace.

United Nations Agenda 21 for the 21st century which is a sustainability act.

They want to move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people are the police force.

They want to give the people a microchip under the skin linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.

They can watch the people, and know their location, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.

All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark of the beast is something stuck under something and since it is given to a person it is stuck under their skin.

The New Age Christ's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind but their technology can help them to deter crime, and have peace.

Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

WW1, set up League of Nations, did not turn to God.

WW2, set up United Nations, did not turn to God.

And that pattern will happen until the 6th trumpet.

Which they do not repent and turn to God.

But they keep going on exalting themselves and trying to establish peace by their own efforts.

So God gives them the antichrist to rule over them.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

The book of Revelation is a revealing of Jesus Christ to the world.

Which the mystery of God should be finished as the heathen will know who God is who is Jesus with physical evidence.
 
Thank you for your preach.

Do you think (your) opinion of justice in christianity regarding God, is something we humans should adopt here on earth?
Like, let's say two persons who have killed another human being are brought into court. The judge says:
"OK, you both are sentenced to 20 years of prison. However, since Mr Smith is a chirstian, he will be free as of today. Mr Jones has to face 20 years in prison."

Do you think this kind of judgement is fair and rightous?


No because the forgiveness God provides through Jesus' sacrifice is only applicable to the forgiveness of sins by God and not sending them to hell. It isnt applicable to earthly laws and criminality. It doesnt address justice for the victims and their families - our earthly laws and courts are for that purpose.

Example is Darla Jackson who killed two people and was sentenced to death. While in prison she got genuinely saved. Getting saved didn't get her out of prison and she was eventually executed too for killing those two people. She still paid fot her crimes. But she is free in Christ and is changed to Christ-likeness! And she is my sister in Christ! I will get to meet her someday when this age is over.


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Thank you for your concern.

The doctrine of "annihillation" is interesting in a historical context. As you know, the nazis killed around 6 000 000 jews during Holocaust. Now, this way of getting rid of the "jew problem" was named, in German, "Die Endlösung" which translates to "The Final Solution". In some ways, this reminds me of the christian God's plan to get rid of these annoying non-christians. Just send them to Hell! The final solution! Annihillation! Let them die and forget them!

So, as a non-christian, I am - according to many christians - facing "Die Endlösung" which means either annihillation like I've never existed, or eternal pain and suffering in Hell.

Now, if this is the way of your God, I see some similarities between your God and Hitler. Say no more, think for yourselves.
No wonder I am an atheist.


Suvh amazing logic! It's going to be interesting when you try to pull this logic off before God during the White Throne Judgement. I guess you'll find out for us Christians whether hell is eternal conscious punishment or annihilation. Thank you!


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Suvh amazing logic! It's going to be interesting when you try to pull this logic off before God during the White Throne Judgement. I guess you'll find out for us Christians whether hell is eternal conscious punishment or annihilation. Thank you!

Thank you for your deep concern of the future of us non-christians; that is: The majority of human-beings.
Thank you.
 
Dear christians.

Please read my example of Hitler and the poor jude. As several have concluded, it's fair that Hitler goes to heaven while the atheist jude goes to hell. Now my question is:

Do all of you christians agree that this is fair? Every single one of you reading this?

No one reading this who is at least a little sceptical to this way of thinking about right and justice ?

I don’t agree with that interpretation.
 
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Hey, you guys make that decision yourselves. .You can't blame anyone else.

I don't choose to go to hell. I just think that if there is a all-loving and rightous God out there, he or she will have somewhat other rules than the most conservative of you christians think.
 
Well, if you think that it's possible that Hitler turned to God like I descibed, I agree with you.
It's possible, we simply don't know.

What Jesus did on the Cross will leave everyone without excuse...

Again... The great Apostle Paul before he was saved, was murdering Christians and throwing others in jail.
Acts.8:1 -Paul (as Saul) was present and giving his approval of the stoning of Stephen.
 
Thank you for your preach.

Do you think (your) opinion of justice in christianity regarding God, is something we humans should adopt here on earth?
Like, let's say two persons who have killed another human being are brought into court. The judge says:
"OK, you both are sentenced to 20 years of prison. However, since Mr Smith is a chirstian, he will be free as of today. Mr Jones has to face 20 years in prison."

Do you think this kind of judgement is fair and rightous?
It would go more like this. Mr Smith you’re free to go because Mr Adams has volunteered to do your 20 years for you. Mr Adams also volunteered to do the time for Mr Jones but he didn’t accept it. Sounds fair to me.
 
It would go more like this. Mr Smith you’re free to go because Mr Adams has volunteered to do your 20 years for you. Mr Adams also volunteered to do the time for Mr Jones but he didn’t accept it. Sounds fair to me.

I don't agree. I think you try to turn the problem into another problem. The original problem still unanswered from you.
Your turn did not impress me.