The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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I am not familiar with that translation... I did a test on it to see how it would translate some hard Scriptures and it was fine. I can look at some others though.
Here's a little cheat sheet on the Bible translations.
yeah, i looked there too but could not find it, like you I tested it also and seems fine, im testing it for now. i have always preferred the version close to the original manuscripts. thank you!I am not familiar with that translation... I did a test on it to see how it would translate some hard Scriptures and it was fine. I can look at some others though.
Here's a little cheat sheet on the Bible translations.
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Jer_31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
He is not under any covenant and he cannot tell anyone which covenant he needs to classify you under. Since he was never a Jew standing at the foot of Mt Sinai, never was in covenant with God as a people with Moses as their intermediary, never sacrificed even a poopy pigeon, never trembled when the High Priest entered the holy of holies once a year, never understood that the law, all of it, was NEVER given to Gentiles, never stood before Moses while he read all of the law and promised to uphold it, you have to wonder where he got the idea that he is somehow the arbitrator of a better covenant than the one given by God Himself through Jesus.
Does everyone really understand what is going on with this dude? He is wearing the same garment Eve saw in the garden and asking the same question. The question being' has God really said'.
Well yes, GOD HAS REALLY SAID and he is not a Christian on this Christian site and he is not able to offer a covenant different than the one God has already given. Think about the reality of what is going on here and has gone on for 105 pages. The 10 commandments are not any covenant and were NEVER any covenant. The covenant in the Old Testament was a blood covenant, not a law covenant.
Abraham actually, with instructions from God, was the first to offer a blood sacrifice. Gen. 15: 9-10 9 He said to him, “Bring me a heifer three years old, a female goat three years old, a ram three years old, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” 10 And he brought him all these, cut them in half, and laid each half over against the other. But he did not cut the birds in half. "
To fully get the picture and understand this covenant you should read Genesis 15 as I am just touching on it.
The entire law given by God to Moses and passed on the Israelites was based on sacrifice of animals, shedding of blood.
Further, the covenant made with the Israelites aka 'the Mosaic covenant', was also a blood covenant in that it required blood to be sprinkled on the tabernacle, the scroll and all the people”. Does the op offer that same coverage? Well lhe should if he wants to flirt with the commandments. BUT the commandments were not stand alones, so taking those, as succint and perfect before God as they are,were never given with the rest of the law as an adendum.
How far along is the op going to go with this? How far along is the Sabbath person going to go? How far along is the bride going to go?
Not one of those three have anything regarding salvation to offer. They have taken the Bible and perverted the actual gospel and act like they have some kind of authority to do so. We do not have God, or Jesus or anything directed by scripture to declare themself holy before God and man. It is a farce.
The op makes comments such as the above to an actual Christian and then goes on a diatribe to the same person even though he just said this person has no understanding.
Many personal comments have been made to actual Christians in this thread; this op and a few others in the thread who do not understand the actual covenant through Jesus, continually try to make the exchange personal. There is nothing personal here. We, as Christians, simply refute the lies being posted that the commandments are the covenant.
Ironic. The op actually acknowledges that Jesus is the Way and then says the commandments are the covenant. Does anyone besides the op and his book ends think that Jesus is saying the commandments are the covenant and He had to die to make them available to be obeyed?
Jesus is the Way, the door, to God. The commandments are not the way to God. Every single Christian ever understands that they have an obligation to be morally upstanding and that he commandments illustrate what that means. The consistent and obstructive allegations by the op and another admirer of the op here, that you can keep the commandments now because of the Holy Spirit, is contrary to scripture. Anyone, ANYONE, who tries to say the keep them all, is a liar according to John. So, go argue with him.
So, follow thieves and robbers or follow Jesus. Perversion of the gospel has been well underway ever since Jesus arose from the dead.
Don't be a Judaizer and believe you have to obey the commandments and believe in Jesus because that is not the gospel.
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you contradict Christ and do not even know it. look at my signature in red below this, post these are the words of Jesus that you REJECT!Ironic. The op actually acknowledges that Jesus is the Way and then says the commandments are the covenant. Does anyone besides the op and his book ends think that Jesus is saying the commandments are the covenant and He had to die to make them available to be obeyed?
Jesus is the Way, the door, to God. The commandments are not the way to God. Every single Christian ever understands that they have an obligation to be morally upstanding and that he commandments illustrate what that means. The consistent and obstructive allegations by the op and another admirer of the op here, that you can keep the commandments now because of the Holy Spirit, is contrary to scripture. Anyone, ANYONE, who tries to say the keep them all, is a liar according to John. So, go argue with him.
So, follow thieves and robbers or follow Jesus. Perversion of the gospel has been well underway ever since Jesus arose from the dead.
Don't be a Judaizer and believe you have to obey the commandments and believe in Jesus because that is not the gospel.
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You are not a believer. I would not start with the x's again there mr. you just show how angry you are and I don't think you can help yourself.
The devil can quote scripture too. And of course I am not calling you the devil; just reminding everyone that sometimes scripture is a cover for what is underneath which can be anti-biblical.
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Got that mr v? not through you, not through your false gospel, not through the commandments, but,
.................................................................................THROUGH CHRIST ALONE.
I don't see any scripture here. I just see an angry man who makes personal comments who tells everyone else to use scripture to prove what they say.
I used scripture to prove/show your error regarding the 10 commandments as I have done from the get go.
Should people just do as you say then and not as you do? I think we know the answer.
Before I make up my mind about the meaning of a verse or passage I first consult the original languages which I spent much time studying in the past. I studied Hebrew in a total immersion program in Israel. I studied Greek for years under a lady who was herself Greek. Between Hebrew and Greek, I found Greek to be much more difficult despite that the fact that it shares some of the same letters as English. Greek grammar is exceedingly complex especially when compared to Hebrew which is, comparatively simple. I am not necessarily gifted at languages which caused me to have many headaches before I learned them.
I also consult translations which are of the word-by-word variety. If I still have questions, I might also read what the Early Greek fathers said about a passage. Since they still read and spoke in the Koine dialect we can sometimes gather much from them. I only refer to the the writers of the first three centuries since they were closest to the Apostles.
As far as English translations I use the NKJV and the Berean Standard Bible. Occasionally, I look at the New English Translation for its 60,000 translational notes.
That is one of the important points as they constantly refer to the sabbath. As a memorial of the former
creation event.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away (the law); behold, new things have come.
Galatians 6:15
For neither is circumcision (the law) anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
If they understood just one page (Galatians 5) in the N.T, they would discard the law.
It also just occurred to me that perhaps this plan for a "new creation" is exactly why God rested the seventh day, and Jesus ultimately declares, "It is finished." After the 6th day, considering the event of Adam and Eve's crash, so soon after startup, and God was 'done' with it, having made provision for the new even before He began the project.
...and the rest is us having to catch up "with the program." 
The new creation is leaving the life of sin and being re-created in God.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Sin is breaking the law of God 1John3:4 James2:11
Being a new creation in Christ means overcoming sin, which means God’s laws is going to be kept.
It is finished refers to Jesus gaining victory over sin and the plan of His salvation was a success. It also signified the veil in the earthy temple was torn, which meant it was the end of animal sacrifices for sin Heb 10:1-10 and the earthy priesthood and Jesus became our High Priest and now ministers form a heavenly Temple Heb8:1-5
The Sabbath was still being kept after the Cross Luke23:56 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus predicted Isa 56:6-7 May 24:20-30 and continues on Isa66:22-23
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Sin is breaking the law of God 1John3:4 James2:11
Being a new creation in Christ means overcoming sin, which means God’s laws is going to be kept.
It is finished refers to Jesus gaining victory over sin and the plan of His salvation was a success. It also signified the veil in the earthy temple was torn, which meant it was the end of animal sacrifices for sin Heb 10:1-10 and the earthy priesthood and Jesus became our High Priest and now ministers form a heavenly Temple Heb8:1-5
The Sabbath was still being kept after the Cross Luke23:56 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus predicted Isa 56:6-7 May 24:20-30 and continues on Isa66:22-23
It also just occurred to me that perhaps this plan for a "new creation" is exactly why God rested the seventh day, and Jesus ultimately declares, "It is finished." After the 6th day, considering the event of Adam and Eve's crash, so soon after startup, and God was 'done' with it, having made provision for the new even before He began the project.
No doubt about that.
In early Christianity they used to call the day Jesus rose the eighth day.
Our trespasses are not counted against us.
Jesus made salvation idiot proof.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things
have come. Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave
us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself,
not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
The scripture says the opposite of what you said.
not counting their trespasses against them
Jesus will not look at my sin because He overcame sin and death.
Because Jesus overcame sin and death I will overcome sin and death.
That's why my faith is in Jesus and not in myself.
Therefore if anyone is in Christ
Do you believe that the Pharisees thought they were believers in God and doing God's will?
17Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.a The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!
18All this is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s trespasses against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
20Therefore we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making His appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ: Be reconciled to God. 21God made Him who knew no sin to be sinb on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.
II Cor. 5TE="SabbathBlessing, post: 5667102, member: 327991"]Being a new creation in Christ means overcoming sin, which means God’s laws is going to be kept.[/QUOTE]
Same ole prattling about things that are not found in scripture. The law stands OUTSIDE of Christ. If you are IN Christ, you are no longer under judgement of the law. However, if you put yourself under it anyway, because you have no understanding or are persuaded by a deceived person that you need to do that, then you put yourself under a curse.
Why did Jesus have to die? Did He die so that a person could now keep the law even though scripture says that is impossible? Is God lying when He says no one can keep the law?
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
Gal. 3:10