The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[rogerg]

God will be all of our Judges nothing we can hide from Him Ecc12:13-14 James2:11-12

You obviously don't understand James 2:11 -12 - because you left v 2:10 from your post which sets the context for 2:11 &12. They say
that if you want to be justified by law then you had better have satisfied all of THE LAW perfectly. Judged by the law of Christ which means not trusting in our works of law

Ecc pertains to the OC, not the NC. Those saved by Christ and placed under the NC have satisfied it by God's work, not man's.

[Jas 2:10-12 KJV]
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

2 Chron 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I (God) have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

According to God there is a “whole law” that God commanded AND which means in addition to the whole law of God there is another law that Moses wrote. Deuteronomy:24-26

In James 2:10 which whole law is being spoken of. The one God gave or the law of Moses.

Thankfully we do not need to guess the Scripture actually tells us.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

What is the law that “He who said” that has do with “do not commit murder“ and “do not commit adultery”….the law of. God that God spoke, God wrote, God numbered Deut 4:13Exo34:28 and God added no more to them Deut5:22 they were written by God Himself and only this law is under God’s mercy seat. Exo20:1-17

 

[rogerg]

2 Chron 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I (God) have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

According to God there is a “whole law” that God commanded AND which means in addition to the whole law of God there is another law that Moses wrote. Deuteronomy:24-26

In James 2:10 which whole law is being spoken of. The one God gave or the law of Moses.

Thankfully we do not need to guess the Scripture actually tells us.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

What is the law that “He who said” that has do with “do not commit murder“ and “do not commit adultery”….the law of. God that God spoke, God wrote, God numbered Deut 4:13Exo34:28 and God added no more to them Deut5:22 they were written by God Himself and only this law is under God’s mercy seat. Exo20:1-17

Nope.
Do you understand the difference between the OC and the NC? All of the laws and requirement associated to the OC are not applicable to those who God places under the NC though Christ.

Do you understand Jam 2:12? That those who desire to be judged by THE LAW, will instead be judged by the law of liberty - that is, by the law of Christ because they are not covered by the law of Christ. The law of Christ will find everyone guilty who is not under it.

[Jas 2:12 KJV]
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[BillyBob]

Why the emphasis on not being able to live as God wants us to?

A better question might be [Why do you pretend that you can live without sin]? Does that mean that you no longer feel the need to repent? If so, then I must question your honesty.
Do you believe that David belonged to God before he committed murder? Do you think Peter belonged to God before he denied Christ? If so, then they continued to sin even after being accepted. Why? Because sin still dwelt within them, even though they belonged to God! They were being made like Christ, but were not yet perfected.

 

[vassal]

So AI is now debating itself on the 4th commandment, nice.

The Sabbath has several different meanings- I explained it clearly with context in a previous post.

Jesus said His Sabbath would not end Mat24:21-30 Isa66:22-23 - that's where my faith lies, in Jesus.

Inquisitor will never learn, its laughable, what a silly lad. he still thinks AI is "intelligent"

 

[vassal]

Yeah, but that isn't 'THE LAW" as you define them. It is the laws associated to the salvation of Christ, otherwise, the New Covenant would be in conflict with itself. The OC laws are no longer in effect for those under the NC

Nope.
Do you understand the difference between the OC and the NC? All of the laws and requirement associated to the OC are not applicable to those who God places under the NC though Christ.

Do you understand Jam 2:12? That those who desire to be judged by THE LAW, will instead be judged by the law of liberty - that is, by the law of Christ because they are not covered by the law of Christ. The law of Christ will find everyone guilty who is not under it.

[Jas 2:12 KJV]
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

the new covenant is the ten commandments, the only things that changed is that through the Holy Spirit, they now rest in out hearts and mind.t. . the law of liberty is doing the will of God, doing what Jesus asked, to keep the commandments, they free us from sin!

 

[rogerg]

the new covenant is the ten commandments, the only things that changed is that through the Holy Spirit, they now rest in out hearts and mind.t. . the law of liberty is doing the will of God, doing what Jesus asked, to keep the commandments, they free us from sin!

You're totally and completely wrong with everything you've stated. You simply do not comprehend the New Covenant and what it
represents. You' re trying to force it into being the Old Covenant which it can/will never be.

 

[Cameron143]

the new covenant is the ten commandments, the only things that changed is that through the Holy Spirit, they now rest in out hearts and mind.t. . the law of liberty is doing the will of God, doing what Jesus asked, to keep the commandments, they free us from sin!

This seems backwards. Being made free of sin, we keep the commandments; not keeping the law makes us free of sin.

 

[Mem]

You no longer have an excuse to say you can't.

This implies that, at least once, there was an excuse to say you couldn't, doesn't it?

It seems that it is expedient to us that we must confess that we can't.

Re: @SabbathBlessing's consideration offered in concern of the 4th commandment with the help of AI, whether with or without actual "scripture only" limitations applied in the search, it was at the least productive in instructing us on why the commandment had been instituted. Just as 'Thou shalt not steal" had been added because of transgressions until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred (Gal 3:19) so also must've been an issue in forgetting the creation... But then the question occurred to me, what of forgetting about the new creation spoken of in 2Cor 5:17? And, within the context of Romans 5's Death in Adam, Life in Christ Rom 5:20-21 tells us that, just as sin reigned in death, so grace might reign though righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Are the bolded synonymous terms or distinctly separate? This is only a rhetorical question that is only asking you to give consideration to rather than hoping to hear any answer for. I already know what the distinctly different views of the meaning of righteousness are. Just keep in mind, sin reigned in death because no one has any righteousness of his own by the law but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith (Phil 3:9).

 

[SabbathBlessing]

This implies that, at least once, there was an excuse to say you couldn't, doesn't it?

It seems that it is expedient to us that we must confess that we can't.

Re: @SabbathBlessing's consideration offered in concern of the 4th commandment with the help of AI, whether with or without actual "scripture only" limitations applied in the search, it was at the least productive in instructing us on why the commandment had been instituted. Just as 'Thou shalt not steal" had been added because of transgressions until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred (Gal 3:19) so also must've been an issue in forgetting the creation... But then the question occurred to me, what of forgetting about the new creation spoken of in 2Cor 5:17? And, within the context of Romans 5's Death in Adam, Life in Christ Rom 5:20-21 tells us that, just as sin reigned in death, so grace might reign though righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Are the bolded synonymous terms or distinctly separate? This is only a rhetorical question that is only asking you to give consideration to rather than hoping to hear any answer for. I already know what the distinctly different views of the meaning of righteousness are. Just keep in mind, sin reigned in death because no one has any righteousness of his own by the law but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith (Phil 3:9).

I’m glad you found it helpful, I am not a huge fan of AI for Scripture, but sometimes it helps when another voice is saying it, but maybe in a different way.


Just to note…

Stealing is sin, so thou shalt not steal is not a law that was “added” because of sin, it is sin to steal, or break any of God’s commandments. 1John3:4 James2:11 Rom7:7 Mat5:19-30. The law that was “added” because of sin was animal sacrifices until the Seed Heb10:1-10, that was the prescription for sin but it never really took away sins, which is why Jesus had to sacrifice Himself.

Our righteousness is by faith, but those with faith do they obey God and follow in His footsteps 1John2:6 John15:10 or do something else?

 

[TMS]

Nope. You said, "the law that was taken away at the cross". "the law" - it is singular, yet you specified laws - plural. So, you are partially correct: those saved are removed from THE LAW - singular - removed from being under any and all of the law in total (except for the law of Christ) when saved, or should I say THE LAW is removed from those saved but not the unsaved. Notice the "the law" below. By the "the" in each verse, it represents law in the singular - law in its greatest and most inclusive form and state - all of law, not laws, those saved are no longer under by Christ.

[Rom 6:14 KJV]
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[Gal 3:10 KJV]
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[Gal 4:21 KJV]
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[Gal 5:18 KJV]
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[Heb 7:11 KJV]
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

[Rom 8:2 KJV]
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

You seem to think the law is singular only one law but even in the texts you posted there are multiple laws...

The Law of the Spirit and The Law of sin.
Rom 8:2.

I posted about the difference between the laws and you say I'm wrong but it is the bible saying it not me...

Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

God's law which He spoke AND ....
The law of Moses.

BOTH are mentioned in the same verse.

There is a difference.

 

[Mem]

Just to note…

Thou shat not steal is sin, so its not a law that was “added” because of sin, thats nonsensical, it is sin to steal, or break any of God’s commandments. The law that was “added” because of sin was animal sacrifices until the Seed Heb10:1-10, that was the prescription for sin but it never really took away sins, which is why Jesus had to sacrifice Himself.

Our righteousness is by faith, but those with faith do they obey God and follow in His footsteps 1John2:6 John15:10 or do something else?

I already know you parcel out the law into applicable and inapplicable segments, so you've only shown disregarded for my expression of disinterest in any justifications for that, whether real or imagined.

 

[TMS]

Who is saying that obedience is impossible? Now in regard to the children of Israel, though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. (Jude 1:5) Their murmuring against Moses and against Aaron and their lack of trust in God was a manifestation of their unbelief.

Who is saying obedience is impossible ??? Let people answered that themselves.

 

[rogerg]

You seem to think the law is singular only one law but even in the texts you posted there are multiple laws...

I'm not sure I understand your post, but I'll try to address it.

All individual laws (excluding the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and related laws of salvation) fall under one law of sin and death. So, that one law is the master law that all of the other OC laws are under - it is the law of law (so to speak). That is why law is referred to in the verses I posted in the singular as "the law"

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is God's law, and all other laws pertaining to salvation through Christ fall under it and were satisfied by Christ on our behalf.
All other laws are of the Old Covenant, not the New Covenant. Those who God places under the New Covenant through Christ, all of their sins are forgiven them - entirely and unconditionally. Those who are not under it are under the Old Covenant law of sin and death and will be judged accordingly.
Dan 9:11 is of the Old Covenant law not the New Covenant law.

 

[Mem]

Who is saying obedience is impossible ??? Let people answered that themselves.

I'll do my best at attempting an answer.

The old creation is required to strive against our nature to achieve righteousness. i.e., thou shalt not love thyself any more than they neighbor, and that is impossible even though the law requires it. On the other hand, the new creation exhibits a new spirit, i.e. 'love thy enemy, and that is only possible with God, and it is possible even without the expressed commandment to do so.

For instance, if I find myself loving my enemy, I'm beside myself and recall the word in regard to it only after noticing myself doing so rather than doing so because I've taken note of the word.

That's my perspective on His writing His laws on my heart.

 

[Dino246]

Who is saying obedience is impossible ??? Let people answered that themselves.

I say that obedience is impossible, because it is impossible to keep the Law today. There are no Levitical priests, no temple, and if you can afford to travel to Israel three times a year, you're a richer man than me.

 

[Beckworth]

I do not have a clue what you are saying here beckworth. You have quotes lumped together and you appear to be responding to my post about the commandments.

If you are trying to tell me that Christians are not under the old law, you should know I have been saying that through the entire thread and others by the op.

If there is something you want to say to me, make it clearer and quote me and respond. Please leave out anything by ms blessing who is undernourished when it comes to the New Testament.

If I wrongly accused you of something you do not believe , I apologize. I included you because of something I read on one of your posts, but sorry, I don’t remember which one and have not been able to find it. I believe and accept your statement and my apology is sincere.

 

[TMS]

Nope.
Do you understand the difference between the OC and the NC? All of the laws and requirement associated to the OC are not applicable to those who God places under the NC though Christ.

Do you understand Jam 2:12? That those who desire to be judged by THE LAW, will instead be judged by the law of liberty - that is, by the law of Christ because they are not covered by the law of Christ. The law of Christ will find everyone guilty who is not under it.

[Jas 2:12 KJV]
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

You are arguing what the law is.

But regardless
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Do you become free from sin by removing the law or by the blood of Jesus?

THE LAW is still convicting people of sin today. We are still guilty today because sin is still present.

Which law is convicting people of sin?

Which Law is it that people are transgressing?

 

[rogerg]

You are arguing what the law is.

But regardless
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Do you become free from sin by removing the law or by the blood of Jesus?

THE LAW is still convicting people of sin today. We are still guilty today because sin is still present.

Which law is convicting people of sin?

Which Law is it that people are transgressing?

the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus being under the law of sin and death

[Jhn 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[TMS]

I say that obedience is impossible, because it is impossible to keep the Law today. There are no Levitical priests, no temple, and if you can afford to travel to Israel three times a year, you're a richer man than me.

But your understanding of the law is different to mine..
I believe the ordinances were nailed to the cross.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Blotting is a gentle technique for stain removal that involves pressing a clean, absorbent material (like a paper towel or cloth) onto a spill to soak it up. The goal is to lift the stain out of the fabric.

Blotting out = will do nothing to engraved stones. Or the writting of God on our hearts.

Mixing all the laws together does make them impossible to keep in any way.

But it is only the moral unchanging law that we need to keep.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.