And? Do you think I am unfamiliar with Scripture?
My question to you: Are the laws that God promises to write on hearts and minds the laws given at Sinai?
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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My question to you: Are the laws that God promises to write on hearts and minds the laws given at Sinai?
Yes, the location of God's laws is what changed, from tablets of stone, to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 God not breaking His promise of not altering His words Psa89:34- God's law is perfect Psa19:7 and holy Rom7:12, the issue was never with God's commandments, but with people not keeping them. God makes no mistakes, we do, why He made the NC on better promises of what He will do to help us keep God's laws but we have to cooperate with Him.
I understand this can't be reasoned with, so it will be sorted out in God's time.
Be well.
Okay… so how does the Holy Spirit help you find something that does not exist? How does the Holy Spirit help you attend a festival that doesn’t occur?
As I keep stating, it is impossible to follow the Law today. Not “difficult”, not “challenging”; impossible. Either Christians are required to follow the ENTIRE Law as given at Sinai, or we are not under that Law at all. This is confirmed by both Paul and James (Galatians 3:10; James 2:10).
So which is it?
There is context that is being left out of the two verses you have quoted, I could show you by Scripture adding more context, but I don't think it would matter, your mind is made up.
But for the record, the Ten Commandments, the commandments that tell us to only worship God and not steal from our neighbor very much exist for God's people.
I am aware of the context of both verses. While I very much doubt you have anything convincing, I invite you to share your perspective.
Dismissing it with “your mind is made up” is just being a jerk.
Stuff happens, but let me assure you, I am completely and utterly against the op's misinformed and unbiblical renderings. From the 1st of his posts that I read, until now.
All good.
Dismiss everything Paul wrote and you might come up with a different gospel too. That dismissal started even while Paul was actively engaged in his missionary work. That is what the book of Galatians is all about, but the op does not believe Paul is authoratative, which is pretty funny since he believes he is authoratative.
Thing is, you also have to dismiss John and Peter to do that. So we now have 104 pages of someone with zero cred, trying to convert people to his false gospel and it seems he has made at least 1 convert.
Christ is the law is NOT an answer, you cannot give any details because you DO NOT KNOW the answer in in the O.P.
Dino unfortunately scripture is closed to you this is why you cannot understand what Jesus said;
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 And he answered and said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables; because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And unto them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall in no wise understand; And seeing ye shall see, and shall in no wise perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed; Lest haply they should perceive with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And should turn again, And I should heal them.
Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see; and your ears, for they hear.
Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and am come from God; for neither have I come of myself, but he sent me.
Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word.
Jhn 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
Jhn 8:45 But because I say the truth, ye believe me not.
Jhn 8:46 Which of you convicteth me of sin? If I say truth, why do ye not believe me?
Jhn 7:16 Jesus therefore answered them and said, My teaching is not mine, but his that sent me.
Jhn 7:17 If any man willeth to do his will, he shall know of the teaching, whether it is of God, or whether I speak from myself.
The Unbelief of the People
Jhn 12:36 While ye have the light, believe on the light, that ye may become sons of light. These things spake Jesus, and he departed and hid himself from them.
Jhn 12:37 But though he had done so many signs before them, yet they believed not on him:
Jhn 12:38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
Jhn 12:39 For this cause they could not believe, for that Isaiah said again,
Jhn 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and he hardened their heart; Lest they should see with their eyes, and perceive with their heart, And should turn, And I should heal them.
Jhn 12:41 These things said Isaiah, because he saw his glory; and he spake of him.
Jhn 12:42 Nevertheless even of the rulers many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess it, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
Jhn 12:43 for they loved the glory that is of men more than the glory that is of God.
this was my last post to you since you wont listen. dont bother replying
Christ is the answer, but you just can't realize it because you're still under the Old Covenant. You still believe that we're under law, not grace, and until you can comprehend that, you have no business setting yourself up as a judge of salvation in general, or of the New Covenant in particular. Therefore, I completely reject your assessment. You have no spiritual creditability whatsoever regarding things spiritual. It's amazing to me that you would even call yourself a Christian.
[Eph 1:3 KJV] 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
Who do you think you are, that you give such orders?
I will respond whenever I choose to whomever I choose about whatever I choose. Your inability to process disagreement is your problem. Don’t attempt to make it mine because it doesn’t work.
I might prefer you to put me on Ignore, because it allows me to refute your Judaizer codswollop without your tiresome interference.
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just for you, i will add;
Jhn 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Jhn 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Jhn 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Jhn 10:4 When he hath put forth all his own, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Jhn 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Jhn 10:6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
It's you who rejects Christ as the shepherd, not me. Instead, you believe that law is the shepherd, not Christ.
Don't you think they carried it [the ark] by sliding “poles” into the rings on the sides as God instructed the Jews to do? How would they have known to do that?
We can only speculate. Perhaps they found out from others who knew about God striking down Uzzah. It is not inconceivable that this dramatic account became known.
And did only their priests carry it? Their priests were worshipers of Dagon—an idol; surely God would not have allowed that!
You are now extending your speculation even further to incorporate those pagan priests who took the ark into the temple of Dagon and you wonder how they could get away with it. The ark was not charged with energy like it was depicted in the Indiana Jones movies. It was God Himself or God through an angelic guard, This is likely. The two Cherubim on the mercy seat suggests that angelic guards were watching over it.
And what about when they placed offerings in it? Do you think they touched it then? How did they get the offerings in it without looking in it or touching it?
Again, since God and his angelic guards are intelligent they are capable of making judgment calls about when to strike and when to refrain
How would they have known not to touch it or look into it? Is there a scripture somewhere that tells us this? Yet God did not strike them dead. Can you tell me WHY GOD DID NOT KILL THE PHILISTINE GENTILES WHO HANDLED HIS ARK? That is the point.
It looks like God was consistent in punishing those who violated protocol with respect to the arc. The plague that struck the Philistine Confederacy was understood by them as the result of their holding the ark captive.
WHY GENTILES COULD NOT TOUCH THE ARK. Specifically, the Philistines in 1 Samuel.
Not allowing people to touch the ark apparently had to do with God's transcendent holiness which contrasted with the pantheistic nature of human invented gods. The message of God's uniqueness applies to both Jews as well as Gentiles. I admit that these questions have occurred to me in the past. However, since the text often does not exhaustively explain every possibility of an event in detail some questions must remain unanswered. About these matters, Paul gave us this advice:
23But reject foolish and ignorant speculation, for you know that it breeds quarreling. 24And a servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome, but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, and forbearing.… (2 Timothy 2:23)
We can only speculate. Perhaps they found out from others who knew about God striking down Uzzah. It is not inconceivable that this dramatic account became known.
And did only their priests carry it? Their priests were worshipers of Dagon—an idol; surely God would not have allowed that!
You are now extending your speculation even further to incorporate those pagan priests who took the ark into the temple of Dagon and you wonder how they could get away with it. The ark was not charged with energy like it was depicted in the Indiana Jones movies. It was God Himself or God through an angelic guard, This is likely. The two Cherubim on the mercy seat suggests that angelic guards were watching over it.
And what about when they placed offerings in it? Do you think they touched it then? How did they get the offerings in it without looking in it or touching it?
Again, since God and his angelic guards are intelligent they are capable of making judgment calls about when to strike and when to refrain
How would they have known not to touch it or look into it? Is there a scripture somewhere that tells us this? Yet God did not strike them dead. Can you tell me WHY GOD DID NOT KILL THE PHILISTINE GENTILES WHO HANDLED HIS ARK? That is the point.
It looks like God was consistent in punishing those who violated protocol with respect to the arc. The plague that struck the Philistine Confederacy was understood by them as the result of their holding the ark captive.
WHY GENTILES COULD NOT TOUCH THE ARK. Specifically, the Philistines in 1 Samuel.
Not allowing people to touch the ark apparently had to do with God's transcendent holiness which contrasted with the pantheistic nature of human invented gods. The message of God's uniqueness applies to both Jews as well as Gentiles. I admit that these questions have occurred to me in the past. However, since the text often does not exhaustively explain every possibility of an event in detail some questions must remain unanswered. About these matters, Paul gave us this advice:
23But reject foolish and ignorant speculation, for you know that it breeds quarreling. 24And a servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome, but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, and forbearing.… (2 Timothy 2:23)
Yeah, he tries to make scripture say what he wants it to by removing major portions of if from consideration.
Of course paraphrases are not to be trusted since they rely more upon men's opinions rather than on the actual language of a passage.
That being said, what is your preferred translation?
I like the KJV, but use NKJV in most of my daily studies. I also like to look up the original words and compare to the translators, on more difficult passages. What about you?
When we read the story of the ark in 1 Samuel, the Bible gives us enough information to understand why Israel was punished for touching or looking into the ark, but the Philistines were not punished in the same way. The answer is not complicated when we follow how God works.
Israel had been taught directly by God how the ark must be handled. In the Torah, the sons of Kohath were the ones chosen to carry it. The ark had gold rings with poles because God Himself explained that no one was to touch it with human hands. This was part of the covenant commandments that God gave only to Israel. They heard it, they agreed to it, and they were accountable for it. So when a man from Israel touched it later, he died because he broke a command he already knew.
The Philistines did not have this teaching. They were not part of the covenant God made at Sinai. They did not know God’s laws, and they did not know the rules for the ark. Jesus explained this when He said that the servant who knows his master’s will and does not do it will be beaten with many stripes, but the one who does not know will be beaten with few. This teaching is in Luke 12 verse 47 and 48, and it shows that God judges people based on the light they have. Israel knew. The Philistines did not.
This explains why God punished the Philistines with plagues for stealing the ark and using it wrongly, yet He did not kill them instantly for touching it. They were guilty, but not of breaking a covenant they never received. God punished them in a way they could understand, and then they admitted that God’s hand was against them, and they returned the ark.
This is also why the story does not need any guesswork about angels killing people or guarding the mercy seat in the way movies show. The Bible never says they died when they touched the ark. It only says that God struck their cities with plagues because they had taken what was holy.
When the writer you quoted says that pagan priests would never be allowed to touch the ark because they worshiped Dagon, the story itself shows this idea is wrong. God allowed the ark to be taken into the house of Dagon, and He showed His power by making their idol fall on its face. God did not need to destroy every Philistine who touched the ark to show His holiness. He chose the punishment that fit their situation.
The question “How would they have known?” is easy to answer. They did not know the law of the ark. The only reason they learned anything at all was because God struck them with trouble until they understood they needed to send it back. That is why the men who carried it on the cart were not killed. They were not breaking a rule given to them. They were just doing the best they could with what little they knew.
Scholars who study ancient cultures explain that nations like the Philistines often handled sacred objects from other peoples when they won battles. They did not expect to die from touching them, and usually nothing happened. But the story in 1 Samuel is different. They realized quickly that the problems in their towns came from the ark, and they acted because this was not normal. Their reaction shows they understood that Israel’s God was real and was judging them in a way they understood. They were punished as outsiders, not as covenant breakers.
The writer you quoted says that some things must remain unanswered. But this story is actually simple when we follow what Jesus taught about judgment and responsibility. Israel was judged more strictly because they had more light. The Philistines were judged less strictly because they had less.
So the answer to why God did not kill the Philistines who touched the ark is this. They were punished according to what they knew, and not according to what they did not know. Jesus taught this clearly. And the Old Testament story fits His teaching perfectly.