On the other hand, if we had the ability to keep the law, we would not need a Savior!
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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Indeed, at that time in history no Gentile could touch the ark or even come near to the temple where God resided.
As Paul said:
11Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.…(Ephesians 2:11-13)
This was how it was BEFORE THE CROSS.
I was not saying we are not obliged to obey the moral law. I was saying Christ's commands were the essence of Moses' commands. They went deeper. Thus whereas Moses Law said "do not commit adultery" Christ told us "do not look at a woman with lust."
I agree with this! But Jesus indicated that there will be believers who will say to Him at His Second Coming Lord Lord who will not enter His Kingdom Mat7:21-23
What I think people misunderstand is the Old and New Covenant. The Old Covenant is the Ten Commandments. Exo34:28 Deut 4:13 It is God's Testimony and will written by God Himself, placed inside His ark which there is a copy of in heaven Rev15:5 Rev11:19
The people could not keep the covenant and the old covenant was established on faulty promises of what the people will do Exo19:8
The law itself was never an issue and God said He would have not made another covenant had they not broke it.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah
The issue was not with the laws. The issue was with the promises. The people promised to keep God's covenant Exo19:8 but they did not continue in.
Why God made a new covenant established on better promises Heb8:6 of what He will do Heb8:10, we still have to cooperate. It still has God's laws but now placed in the NC believers heart and mind. Heb8:10 The law of God is just that God's laws- that He did not leave up to man to write, He personally did and regardless what covenant He makes with man it doesn't change what God's laws are. Only God can define His law, not man because man is not God.
And while no one can keep them on their own we can through the power of the Holy Spirit, it does require our cooperation
John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
Yes, as I said no one could touch the ark, which would include Gentiles.
However, Gentiles before the Cross could gain access to the earthy temple system for the forgiveness of sins through circumcision
Exo 12:44But every man's servant who is bought for money, when you have circumcised him,then he may eat it.
Exo 12:48And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised,and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it.
God has always made provisions for Gentiles right from the beginning...
You do know that Jesus is the one speaking the Ten Commandments and the Ten Commandments was written by the Holy Spirit i.e. finger of God Exo31:18, not Moses. Moses takes no credit in God's commandments Exo32:16 Moses wrote a different law that was in a book that was outside the ark Deut 31:24-26
Please show me the word believers in the verse. . . .
We are all able to reject Christ's teaching and to abandon our covenant relationship with Him. Paul warned us that this WOULD happen.
1Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.…(1 Timothy 4:1-2)
Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven (believers in Him), but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Luke 6: 46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Its not just the faith in Jesus, its the faith of Jesus which is expressed through the life of Christ, His Teachings and how He lived, all for our example 1John2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb4:15
John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
Which are we to believe to be correct?
I think both are truthful. However, I believe what you quoted is mentioning those who have faith in themselves, not those who have been given to Christ.
Still do not see the word believers! Please make it bold size 24 font. My poor eyes must have gone right by it. . .
There’s a serious problem with your argument here: the old covenant was not founded on promises made by the Israelites. It was founded on God’s promises. His promises were not “faulty”, but the promises of the new covenant are still better.
That means your interpretation of Hebrews 8:6 is simply wrong, and the implications you base on that interpretation are wrong.
Those who call on the Lord is an example of someone who believes in Him. Its not just a matter of believing in God, the devil believes in God, but doesn't obey Him.
In Heb 3:7-19 it uses the word rebellion, unbelief and disobedience interchangeably. Which works in harmony of what Jesus said plainly Mat 7:21-23 Luke6:46-49 1 John2:3-4
Post 1600 which vv vassal has chosen to ignore because he desires to make me wrong because these verses show that his posts about the commandments are wrong. Let us remember that these people are anti-Pauls teachings even though the disciples who had walked with Jesus accepted them. It doesn't matter what translation is used, because vassal will always reject anything written by Paul. This is important to remember so you don't get caught up in arguing with him, which is what he wants.
pinebeach, post: 5663154, member: 343456"]Galatians 4:4-7
4 Butwhen the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God. ESV
4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. KJV
4But when the fullness of the time came, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons and daughters. 6Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!” 7Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. NAS
pinebeach, post: 5663154, member: 343456"]Galatians 4:4-7
4 Butwhen the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God. ESV
4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. KJV
4But when the fullness of the time came, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons and daughters. 6Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!” 7Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. NAS
Yesterday, member here, said I never post scripture.
I responded with this:
From the 2nd page on, I have been posting scripture. I have not attacked you. You exaggerate, falsely accuse, ignore questions I asked you while demanding I answer you, but you are right. You most definatley are CLUELESS..
Nov. 17, 2025, 2nd page of this op, post #36
pinebeach, post: 5625560, member: 343456"]
Gen. 3
14 The Lord God said to the serpent,
“Because you have done this,
cursed are you above all livestock
and above all beasts of the field;
on your belly you shall go,
and dust you shall eat
all the days of your life.
15 I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”
This was directed at the serpent and not the 2 humans who had fallen from God's grace. So a person will ask 'now who is this being introduced as the divider between the 'serpent's' offspring and those of the humans.
We see clearly that the enmity will be against a person. Not laws or covenants per se, but a person. A person shall be the line drawn between those who are with him and those who are of the serpent. (The dragon of Revelation)
God, who knows the beginning from the end and all the good stuff inbetween, was directly confronting the serpent with the fatal mistake made in seducing God's female creation, in the belief that what God declared 'good', was now bad. God had a plan that was to be fulfilled in sending His only Son to rectify the broken relationship between God and His human creation. That person God speaks of to the serpent, the form satan took to do his dirty work, in the garden, was that Son.
If there had never been any covenant between God and Israel, it would always have been enough to take Jesus as the Savior of all mankind, including Israel. However, a covenant was made with Israel and commandments were given, laws were given and sacrifices were to be made.
Progressing through scripture we eventually come to see that the final sacrifice is Jesus, the One promised in the garden right after the fall from God's grace. It is Jesus, was always Jesus and will always be Jesus, the final answer to sin and salvation and the ONLY name that holds forgiveness for our sin(s) and the ONLY way to God.
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So the bride has never acknowledged my response or the fact that she has just made another false allegation. This is how these people operate. They accuse and make up things and then ignore the fact that you give proof that they are making false statements and ridiculous claims.
The bride, for example, likes to say that you are attacking her when you ask her questions she does not want to answer because the answer would show her error; so she comes back with 'you are attacking me' .
The ploy here, is to create an argument and put you on the defensive. The facts are different but she desires to make things personal so that she will have an excuse not to answer questions she does not want to answer.
These people will tell you that they only follow Jesus but ignore any words that does not fit their narrative.
So, bride here, just changes the subject and pretends, yes pretends, that someone is attacking or maybe never uses scripture or maybe does not go to church on Saturday.
So, bride or maybe ms sabbath, what were Jesus instructions to His disciples after His resurrection?
and
What are the words of Jesus in the book of Revelation?
The bride, for example, likes to say that you are attacking her when you ask her questions she does not want to answer because the answer would show her error; so she comes back with 'you are attacking me' .
The ploy here, is to create an argument and put you on the defensive. The facts are different but she desires to make things personal so that she will have an excuse not to answer questions she does not want to answer.
These people will tell you that they only follow Jesus but ignore any words that does not fit their narrative.
So, bride here, just changes the subject and pretends, yes pretends, that someone is attacking or maybe never uses scripture or maybe does not go to church on Saturday.
So, bride or maybe ms sabbath, what were Jesus instructions to His disciples after His resurrection?
and
What are the words of Jesus in the book of Revelation?
You are correct, there are many who believe that there is a god, but do not believe/trust or even desire the true God. These are the ones who will be rejected at the coming of Christ, and will try anything to avoid punishment. Their plead is "Haven't I done", which is a sure indication of where their trust lies, and it is not in the work of Christ and never was.
Yeah.
I find it humorous that the passage:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
..is used to attempt to separate believers into two camps: those who obey Moses and those who do not.
No, the people in passage, who call Jesus Lord, are liars. Yet, somehow, they are "telling the truth" about the works they completed? Not a chance. The Lord "never knew them" and so, they were never inserted into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, the "Law" here is not Moses's law. The Law here is the "law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus". And, right to the point, that's the Law that sets us free from the Judaizers:
"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."
not true, here is a post i am preparing but will let you have a preview, as you will see it is not against Paul on the contrary it is about the perception and false interpretations people do unknowingly. since I saw the version of the bible you use i understand why you believe what you believe, could you consider using a proper version of the bible like the NKJV or BSB that is readable but close to the original text? this would truly help you, at lease compare both versions side by side, yours and NKJV and see the differences? bible tools for this are widely available for free in the internet, Bible hub is one of then and is very useful.
find the text in a new post, it is a bit long and will not fit in this reply.