Does God give us power to overcome sin or does God make the law void.??
How are we saved from the power of sin?
Sin is the transgression of the law.
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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How are we saved from the power of sin?
Sin is the transgression of the law.
So, the rich young man has not kept the commandments from his youth up. Jesus exposed his heart and his hypocrisy. What about you? Do you believe that you have kept the commandments from your youth up and will receive eternal life based on that standard? Only God is good vs. 17 (and Jesus is God) and perfect vs. 21.
The power to overcome sin comes from the Holy Spirit within and is a lifelong process yet we will not reach perfection until we receive our glorified bodies. Being saved from the power of sin is a process of growth in practical, progressive holiness which becomes increasingly evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives.
the version of the bible some read here is also a problem it twists the true meaning, it is very unfortunate for them how can they understand with such a bad translation?
see post 1587 of this thread, pinebeach quotes from the CEV , Contemporary English Version. compare with the greek or nkjv.
muslims did not exist at the time this statement was made, Christ can only be describing the ONE GOD.
I agree we are close to the return, very close.
And as it was in Noah's day so shall it be in the end..
I can see how the main stream Christian world will be decieved. They will think they are doing God's will but will be following the beast.
Rev 14:9-10 KJV 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,....
The Protestants in the past would be greatly disgusted in the churches today.
The main points that will greatly decieve people is the law of God and the state of the dead.
The state of the dead because the devil can use this to introduce false teachings and spiritualism.
And the law because we need to make a choice between who we follow. Will we follow God's law or man's law.
The remnant are not the majority.
God's faithful are few. Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
What commandments was Jesus quoting - the ones toward man. He was testing him on the ones towards God. So I take it having money as an idol over following God is not breaking the commandment of God to not have any other gods before Me. That can be your view, but I do not believe its God's considering He wrote this Himself.
Yes, bibles are copywritten so in order to make money people come up with creative ways to translate. There are many Bible translations that adds to God's word- something God does not take lightly. I do not trust any paraphrase bible or thought for thought Bible- I don't trust any bible that was written after 2000. All bibles have translations issues, but you won;t find nearly as many in some of the more trusted versions. We are told to seek God, so if we see contradictions in Scriptures, we need to keep seeking. Sadly, not everyone is looking for Truth though, many just want smooth words.
If gentiles could not touch the Ark, then why didn’t God kill the Philistines who carried it about for 3 months from city to city, placed it on a cart and looked into it? How did THEY escape death? Why were THEY not killed?
I am agreeing with you that the Jews could not touch it—because God gave them instructions and warnings about it. But God did not give the philistines any instructions or warnings about how to handle the Ark. Donyou think they carried it by sliding “poles” into the rings on the sides as God instructed the Jews to do? How would they have known to do that? And did only their priests carry it? Their priests were worshippers of Dagon—an idol; surely God would not have allowed that! And what about when they placed offerings in it? Do you think they touched it then? How did they get the offerings in it without looking in it or touching it? How would they have known not to touch it or look into it? Is there a scripture somewhere that tells us this? Yet God did not strike them dead. Can you tell me WHY GOD DID NOT KILL THE PHILISTINE GENTILES WHO HANDLED HIS ARK? That is the point.
You do not need to prove to me that Jews could not touch the ark—I agree with you on that. Just tell me —with scripture—WHY GENTILES COUOD NOT TOUCH THE ARK. Specifically, the Philistines in 1 Samuel.
Do you believe in the power of God to transform and mold us into His image?
This requires faith in God's power.
Faith in the work that Jesus desires to do in us.
If we think God is not able to mold us into His image we will remain in the wilderness of Sin.
Heb 3:7-8
7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, 8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in (to the promised land) because of unbelief.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
It isn't about being perfect, it is about having faith in God's ability to restore His image in us.
When God said,”THEY shall not touch any holy thing lest they die,” who are the “THEY”. that He is talking about? To whom is this command given? It is given to the JEWISH PRIESTS—the sons of Kohath in Numbers 4:15. That’s who He is speaking to at this time. This verse has nothing to do with gentiles in any way, form or fashion. It certainly does not prove that gentiles couldn’t touch it as you are teaching.
God’s command that only certain Levites were assigned to carry the ark, and even they must not touch them directly Num 4:15
There was no rule of Jews or Gentiles could touch the ark, no one could touch the ark, but only authorized Levites could carry it. They were the only ordained priests.
God doesn't always make judgement instantaneously, but the Philistines were judged. God's hand did strike the Philistines while the ark was amoung them.
- the ark is brought into Dagons temple and and the Dagon falls before the ark and is shattered.
1 Sam 5:1 Then the Philistines took the ark of God and brought it from Ebenezer to Ashdod. 2 When the Philistines took the ark of God, they brought it into the house of Dagon[a] and set it by Dagon. 3 And when the people of Ashdod arose early in the morning, there was Dagon, fallen on its face to the earth before the ark of the Lord. So they took Dagon and set it in its place again. 4 And when they arose early the next morning, there was Dagon, fallen on its face to the ground before the ark of the Lord. The head of Dagon and both the palms of its hands were broken off on the threshold; only [b]Dagon’s torso was left of it. 5 Therefore neither the priests of Dagon nor any who come into Dagon’s house tread on the threshold of Dagon in Ashdod to this day.
6 But the hand of the Lord was heavy on the people of Ashdod, and He ravaged them and struck them with tumors,[c] both Ashdod and its territory.
Some did die... 1 Sam 5:11-12
Scripture says no one could touch the ark, which would include Gentiles. Num4:15
Ok, show me in Scripture where Gentiles could touch the ark. I am not sure the point you are trying to make with this.
"Walking in the Spirit" is also a choice we have to make. In order to do it we have to rely/depend on Him. This is the very opposite of "human effort" It is, rather, a choice to DEPEND on Him. It is synonymous with abiding in Christ.
Jesus told us: 4Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me. 5I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing.…
If we had no part to play in this, or if it were merely an unattainable idea then God could not have justly commanded us to do it but instead He told us: 6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.…(Colossians 2:6)
We did not receive Christ by performing meritorious works of the law but when we heard the gospel we gave up trying to manage our own lives and let Him reign in us through the Holy Spirit. Your idea that God will fulfill His promises to us without our willing consent is false and utterly foreign to the NT. This idea comes from the polluted doctrine of Augustine which he imported into Christianity from the pagan cult of the Manichaens to which he had belonged tbefore his conversion to Christianity.
When you said: Obedience is the result of walking in the Spirit, not human endeavor you got it backwards.
The very first step in a person's walk with God is to OBEY the Spirit who convicts us of our sins and calls on us to trust Jesus.
I do not think that there is anyone here who does not believe that the commandments which were given are to be ignored or set aside. God has never commanded us to do anything which is not good and important. But, what we must understand is that there is no one able to keep them and our God demands perfection. And, if we are not found perfect, we cannot stand before God.
The question is, what are we to do since we are without hope? Enter the Savior! God gave us His only Son to be punished for our sins.
What a mercy for those who believe. Even the fact that we believe is a gift. His perfect righteousness is given to us!
In the old covenant His people had to trust in the blood sacrifices performed on a regular basis, with the promise of a Savior who would surely come! Today we place our trust in the one sacrifice of our Lord, and the perfection that it brings. We stand perfected in Christ only!
The question is, what are we to do since we are without hope? Enter the Savior! God gave us His only Son to be punished for our sins.
What a mercy for those who believe. Even the fact that we believe is a gift. His perfect righteousness is given to us!
In the old covenant His people had to trust in the blood sacrifices performed on a regular basis, with the promise of a Savior who would surely come! Today we place our trust in the one sacrifice of our Lord, and the perfection that it brings. We stand perfected in Christ only!
So, in regard to salvation, your faith is not exclusively in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:14) but is also in your best efforts to cooperate with God to restore His image in you? Although you do admit it's not about being perfect. I certainly do believe in the power of God to transform and mold us into His image, yet not as the means of our salvation (we are not absolutely perfect) and this is an ongoing process.
This is fallacious argumentation.
Beckworth is saying that the law does not prohibit gentiles touching the ark. That does not necessitate there being a passage stating gentiles “could” touch the ark.
Scripture states that Jesus is God. Does it state that the Moslem’s Allah is not God? No; it doesn’t need to.
God allowed the Philistines to touch the Ark because He was using them as a tool to punish Israel. Israel had sinned for a long time. The priesthood was corrupt, the people did not honour God, and they treated the Ark like a magic object they could use in battle. God warned Eli that judgment was coming, and when Israel went out to fight, God did not protect them. The Philistines won, and they captured the Ark because God allowed it as a sign that His favour had left Israel. This was not a victory of the Philistines’ strength, but God’s judgment on His own people.
The command not to touch the Ark was given only to Israel. They heard God’s voice at Sinai. They knew His law. They received His warnings about holy things and the severe danger of touching the Ark. When Uzzah reached out his hand, he died because he broke a command he fully knew. Israel was responsible because they had entered the covenant and understood God’s instructions.
But the Philistines had never received the law. They did not know the commands. They had no covenant, no priesthood of Levi, and no teaching from God about how to treat the Ark. For this reason, God did not strike them dead in the same way He struck Israelites who broke His holy command. Jesus later explained this principle: the one who knows his Master’s will and disobeys receives a heavy punishment, but the one who does not know is punished in a lesser way. Israel knew God’s will; the Philistines did not.
Yet the Philistines were not free from judgment. God struck them in every city where the Ark was carried. They suffered tumors, fear, panic, and destruction. His hand was heavy against them, and they begged to send the Ark away. They did not die for touching the Ark, but they were punished according to their own guilt and idolatry. They had no protection, no blessing, and no peace while the Ark was among them.
So the answer is simple. God allowed the Philistines to touch the Ark because He was judging Israel, and He did not kill them for touching it because they had never received the covenant command not to touch it. Israel was judged more severely because they knew God’s word. The Philistines were judged in a different way because they did not know these things. God used them to humble His people, and at the same time He showed His power by striking the Philistines in their own cities.