The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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Many aspects of the law did change.

The changes were foretold in Dan 9

It does not mean all the laws were changed. When did "not taking the Lord's name in vain" ever change?

The laws of ordinances were nailed to the cross.
The moral laws are still kept today.

Comment:

If?? "The laws of ordinances were nailed to the cross", explain how that ended them, legally?

The "Stake" was not taken to the tomb, it stayed in place until if was use again by Rome.

Where in the Torah is it shown that the Law/Torah of God will end, that the "ordinances" are only temporary?

Why after all the pages, over 1400 pages in my Bible, teach the WORD of GOD is eternal and the Torah of God is THE ONE WAY and Christ came to do the Will of The Father.,,,, And Christ taught from the Torah --- only

Why would God command mankind to obey the Torah for 4000 years --CHANGE -- which God states repeatedly HE Can not do!

Why cancel the Torah, which Satan hates --- as it condemns HIM?

Why do men want what Satan hates --- ended?

for the same reason --- it condemns them to death for their transgressions
 
So how were people saved before Christ?

Was salvation free in Abraham's and Moses' day. ???
The gospel
The free gift of grace
By faith

From the start of sin we have been saved the same way.

The obedience to the law was expected in all times. Adam's day, Noah's day, Abraham's day, Moses's day, David's day, Daniel's day, Jesus's day and in our day.

If all have been saved by grace how do you justify making the law void today?
Grace didn't make the law void at any other time in the past. And grace does not make the law void today.
So, it's always been "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" according to you?

In regard to Romans 3:31, how do you define "establish the law?" We establish or uphold the law by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 4:5-6) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)
 
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4,000 years? When, exactly, do you think Moses lived?


Do you not know the Torah is from before the beginning??

Every thing that was made conforms to Torah

Abraham knew and lived by the Torah

Genesis 26

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


look it up the word "LAW" it is Torah #8451

The Torah preexisted Moses and creation.

do you not understand why it is hated?? it condemns us to death!

If Christ came back as a human, christianity would kill Him.

They, like those that killed Christ, do not want to obey. Human nature murdered Christ which we all have.
 
The gospel
The free gift of grace
By faith

From the start of sin we have been saved the same way.

The obedience to the law was expected in all times. Adam's day, Noah's day, Abraham's day, Moses's day, David's day, Daniel's day, Jesus's day and in our day.

If all have been saved by grace how do you justify making the law void today?
Grace didn't make the law void at any other time in the past. And grace does not make the law void today.

OT saints weren't saved by grace because they were under the law.

David was well aware of Gods's grace, but He wasn't permitted to build the temple. How did he manage to achieve sainthood?
 
I'm curious: how do you manage your tithe? At which temple do you submit it? To which Levites do you present it?

When you have a skin illness, or black mould appears on your shower grout, where do you find a priest to inspect it?
you have not understood a word i wrote....you think of the law of Moses that was added to the covenant( the ten commandments ) i speak of the covenant : the Ten Commandments.

your question is just to provoke a response, find fault and discredit.
 
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you have not understood a word i wrote....you think of the law of Moses that was added to the covenant( the ten commandments ) i speak of the covenant : the Ten Commandments.

your question is just to provoke a response, find fault and discredit.


He didnt read what you wrote at all. I wonder why they are unwilling to obey God - He gives us His Holy Spirit so we're enabled to do so. It's not impossible anymore.


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Salvation is called a FREE gift because we cannot EARN it, that is, we have nothing of equal worth to the Son and what He did for us on the cross. We cannot barter or exchange in order to obtain it. The whole idea of doing anything to OBTAIN salvation was rejected by Paul and the other Apostles.

Subsequently, have gone to the extreme of saying we must do nothing at all but, rather, remain passive in the process and wait for God to do the whole work of saving us without any response from us. However, the gospel has always demanded a response from human beings - not that we should find our own way to justify ourselves. Instead, we must believe the truth of the gospel which includes the truth about ourselves as well as the truth about what Christ has done for us.

Though the promise of eternal life is FREE (in the sense that we cannot earn it) Jesus often presented salvation as an EXCHANGE -our life for His. In the parable of the Pearl of Great Price, Jesus said:…45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant in search of fine pearls. 46When he found one very precious pearl, he went away and sold all he had and bought it
(Matthew 13:45-46)
The merchant did not go to the owner of the field and haggle over the price. He believed the pearl was priceless and that, once that became known, the whole idea of buying or earning would be undermined. It was not about earning but discovering it and then acting in a way that was consistent with the knowledge. Jesus said the merchant responded to his belief in the pearl by going and "sell all He had" This was, in no way, an equitable transaction. In one sense, the pearl was 'free" because it's value had never been assessed and no price had been placed on but that is because it was hidden. Even so, obtaining the pearl required the merchant to sell all he had.
 
I'm curious: how do you manage your tithe? At which temple do you submit it? To which Levites do you present it?

When you have a skin illness, or black mould appears on your shower grout, where do you find a priest to inspect it?
I do not think tithing was ever required under the New Covenant.
 
David was well aware of Gods's grace, but He wasn't permitted to build the temple. How did he manage to achieve sainthood?

Yes, David was a prophet and was required out of necessity to live in NT realities because of having to live in the wilderness separated from Israel and its tabernacle (which was the temple of God, btw).
 
Just answer the question.


without looking it up Moses was around the 1200 to 1300 BC but I showed you Abraham was observing the Torah long before Moses.

One other point, God the Father and Jesus Christ --- before creation began-- planned all things and that MUST include the Torah -- the whole of the Old Testament is bound up in Torah.

Why do you hate the things of God some much?
 
He didnt read what you wrote at all. I wonder why they are unwilling to obey God - He gives us His Holy Spirit so we're enabled to do so. It's not impossible anymore.


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they would obey their work boss, why not God????? it is still possible but i guess they do not want to as of now but there is still some time but i know for certain the gates will be shut soon, after they it will be too late.
He did admit he does not read my posts as one point, they are a bit long and full of verses but I have to give an accurate picture on a topic, ill try to do better and keep them short.

While i was working , the director of my research unit never answered an e mail longer than 2 lines, after awhile, I started to write to him one line at a time with at the end of each (Y/N)? ...or giving him different numbered options lol. today our attention span has seriously diminished in part because of the technology we are using that demands constant attention, causes many interruptions and a great source of distractions.
 
David was well aware of Gods's grace, but He wasn't permitted to build the temple. How did he manage to achieve sainthood?
Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
 
Rom 2: 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;

1Cor7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Heb 4:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going.

This whole idea that faith in God leads one to be disobedient to what God asks not only does not make common sense or is it biblical when looking at all of the Scriptures. Its actually the very first lie that started in the garden that we can disobey God and live.
 
Yes, David was a prophet and was required out of necessity to live in NT realities because of having to live in the wilderness separated from Israel and its tabernacle (which was the temple of God, btw).
Would you say that David was left with nothing in which to 'work' with but faith in God's grace?