Why did you say he made a good point and then use this scripture ?
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Why did you say he made a good point and then use this scripture ?
I have provided them already right at the begining of the thread, to give people a valid reason for understanding, and why people don't understand, the reason things change for people, is because people trust in his means he has already provided to change things for anyone person. Which means circumstances for any one person can only change on that bases and we can't change his mind ourselfs, but it's not him who's changing his mind it's the means already provided that has changed the person, as if the person didn't change nothing would change. This is the whole point to the sermon, that God is sovereign over all things, and knows all things and ordained the ends to all things but he also ordains all the means to the ends of things before hand, which means he's always had a perfect plan for the future which we can't change , which means we can actively take part in his sovereignty by trusting in his will.
Obviously, yes. Clearly, Moses did not think of God as knowing all the future. Why would he not try to persuade Gd with what Moses thought was a good argument. God obviously appreciated Moses argument, because scripture says he changed God's mind about destroying Israel? It's only your devotion to the intellectually engineered idol of your own imagination with which you have replaced the biblically revealed God, that prevents you interpreting the biblical accounts as they were written..
If a guidance counsellor only advises and does not have authority to direct, then yes, humans can advise God. Whether He agrees with them and takes their advice though, is completely His prerogative. He is the King.
Scripture says that the powers did not understand God's plan for Jesus to die, otherwise they would not ave killed Him. So, I don't see how satan could have sent Pilate's wife the dream in order to stop the crucifixion. But maybe satan knew Pilate was hen-pecked and resented his wife trying to boss him around, and satan knew, if she told him not to kill Jesus, he would do it to spite her.
In that case, I suppose, he could have sent the dream. But it does seem that satan knew God's plan, so it seems highly unlikely that he wanted to Jesus set free in order to thwart God's plan.That is self-contradictory gobbledygook, friend. You are making two logically opposite statements, and trying to present them as reasonable to the esoterically wise. No. They are contradictions.
God thought to destroy the Israelites. Moses changed God's mind. The Israelites did nothing to change their behaviour at the time. Your argument that god used means foreordained by God's supposedly unchanging will to change the Israelites is manifestly not what happened in the three scriptural references to this event which all affirm that God changed His mind..
I believe the scriptures indicate that the future is not all predetermined by God and that God is three persons who desire relationship with us. You cannot have a meaningful relationship with persons who have their minds made up unchangeably about everything that will happen in your life. That would be like trying to have a relationship with a robot for which you wrote all the computer code. In a relationship, even a relationship between someone very powerful and someone very weak, the powerful can accept the advice of the weak.
If I know my child really well and I see her watching an ad on TV for McDonalds, I can tell by her body language and expression what she is about to ask me as she turns he face to me. God knowing what we will pray before we ask is not necessarily a proof that God knows all the future. I may be that He knows all our present and past so well that he can read our body and face and thoughts just before we speak. It may be a proof of His intimate knowledge of us, rather than of His exhaustive knowledge of the future.
Because if what he said was true then satan might have influenced Peter to say what he did, it was just a thought I meant nothing by it
Might of but there are other understandings to that scripture, but no matter, what about the dream, the dream the wife of pontas pilate had do you think Satan gave her that dream Jesus was innocent ? Wasn't she made to suffer for knowing he was innocent, did Jesus not say to Paul you will suffer for my name sake.
Look it doesn't matter if we disagree or not, you just say what you feel, we can try to understand each others understanding. And maybe come to understand more.
oh come on that's different, do you think you can give God advice and how he Goes about things ?
No after thinking about it I do not think it was from satan that she had that dream mainly because there is no evidence to suggest it but also the innocent part satan would never call Jesus that.
I know we are to suffer for the sake of Christ and her suffering I think was a fear type thing about killing an innocent and righteous man
Well it was pretty common back then for the spirit to give people vision and dreams of the future,
Remember Jesus had seen Nathanial under the fig tree before he came and Nathanial was surprised, the woman at the well, Jesus accurately told her her past relationships. Then we go to God knowing all your thoughts past presence and future.
So when Jesus first looked pontas pilate in the eye, is it not case Jesus knew he had been made aware he was innocent, when Jesus said these words to him, perhaps the people who handed you over to me are guilty of a greater sin,
Put yourself there, would you not feel convicted if you had already been told by your wife I had a dream and I was made to suffer greatly and told Jesus was innocent,
Would you not feel convicted.
What did pontas do, well he ignored the conviction, as mans free will does, not led of the spirit, by doing so he encouraged the crowd more so to do what ?
Of course. Anyone can give advice to anyone. People offer God advice a lot of the time when praying. That's because, despite the indoctrination Christians have that God is unchanging and knows all the future, we innately know that all healthy relationships entail both sides listening to each other and responding to what they say.
U didn't say anything wrong
but u did not seem to understand why Jesus asked God that he might not have to b crucified .it might be gobble gook to you, coz judging by your inability to to answer a reasonable question, without appealing to how God would goes about things, by appealing to that what a child thinks, I can assure you to use a child as a reason to convince people you can change the outcome of God's plans is gobble gook, Your opinion of moses changed Gods mind by himself still remains, even tho you've been given much understanding as to why God may have stopped the Judgment being passed at that time, and you haven't acknowledged any of those reasons, what you have done, is insinuate only moses changed his mind, yup that's what you call man believing he can change Gods mind
You haven't even acknowledged that Moses was silly to suggest God has forgot his promise.
Neither have you acknowledged the other understandings given.
Well the reason is because of the suffering he knew he would endure, not to mention he was also human so he was probably afraidU didn't say anything wrong
