Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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In Romans Paul wrote that unfortunately no man seeks God.

The intended meaning and interpretation of Psalm 14 and 53 is far beyond the pay grade of the Calvinists.
Context, state of mind, situation etc. All of the necessary background info is jettisoned/ignored.
What is remains for them are "buzzwords" and "catchphrases" in English.

But, the diligent student will seek the truths of these passages and find them.
You know you could just disagree without the insults that is the mature thing to do
 
Statements of fact are not insults, nor are they intended to be.
Firdt off no they are not statements of facts and secondly yes they are insults because you say them with a snarky attitude and third they are clearly intended
 
Statements of fact are not insults, nor are they intended to be.

In my opinion the reason Reformed False Doctrine has taken over the churches is because people were worried the truth(statement of facts) would be insulting.

And here we are. :(
 
In my opinion the reason Reformed False Doctrine has taken over the churches is because people were worried the truth(statement of facts) would be insulting.

And here we are. :(
He has a habbit of being crass and snarky so of course it comes accross as an insult specially the way he says it. Again we can disagree without the insults or the attitude we are all adults here
 
Okay read this Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

What is it that is according to God's promise?
God made promise to David as revealed in the verses submitted (1 Chron 17:3-15).

God also made promise to Jacob ("Israel"):

Genesis 28:10-15

10 And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran.

11 And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.

12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.

13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;

14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

15 And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have that which I have spoken to thee of.


I know you want the "Israel" of Acts 13:23 to mean what you want it to mean.

I do not agree with your replacement theology bunkum so spare me the time and effort in having to argue with you over it.

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you do have some good points brother, and i am listening m, and you are making difference, I believe your only elect until saved,
Interesting ... I believe we're elect only after we're saved ... before that, we all are dead in trespasses and sins. I do not believe in a special "elect" subset of humanity ... all descendants of Adam are in the same boat. Those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ ... who is the "Elect" ... become "elect" once they are saved, not because they are special in any way, shape, or form, but because they are in the Elect.




Jordon said:
I believe where is does go wrong is everybody is called. Which is also like being chosen
and I believe all are called ... few are chosen. And those who are chosen are the ones who heed the call. Some ignore/reject the call. Just because someone ignores or rejects the call does not mean they weren't called.

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He has a habit of being crass and snarky so of course it comes across as an insult specially the way he says it. Again we can disagree without the insults or the attitude we are all adults here

Perhaps you should also take issue with the person who calls people ... perverts, having creepy smiles, hypocrites, liars, deceivers and makes fun of their ethnicity.

Just a thought.
 
Perhaps you should also take issue with the person who calls people ... perverts, having creepy smiles, hypocrites, liars, deceivers and makes fun of their ethnicity.

Just a thought.
Who would that be? and where was this stated?
 
Yes, He does the very thing He takes no pleasure in. When we do that it is called insanity.
I have to admit that my post saying that God creates some for destruction was not correct. He has no need to do that! However, He creates them knowing that He will not provide them with the grace needed for salvation. Therefore, they will self destruct.
 
I have to admit that my post saying that God creates some for destruction was not correct. He has no need to do that! However, He creates them knowing that He will not provide them with the grace needed for salvation. Therefore, they will self destruct.
Kudos for admitting you were in the wrong it takes humility to do that a rare trait to be seen
 
I don't miss hearing you. I just don't believe you. :)

Yes, He does the very thing He takes no pleasure in. When we do that it is called insanity.

I am just reading this response.
How much further away is it possible to be from the God of the Bible.
That a person can actually believes God denies grace needed for salvation.

Beyond belief, it literally makes me feel sick.

I have to admit that my post saying that God creates some for destruction was not correct. He has no need to do that! However, He creates them knowing that He will not provide them with the grace needed for salvation. Therefore, they will self destruct.
 
Who would that be? and where was this stated?

I have no desire to find those posts, the most egregious personal slander I have ever read on CC, and one cannot even say, "well it was in defense of scripture" because it was not.
 
I have no desire to find those posts, the most egregious personal slander I have ever read on CC, and one cannot even say, "well it was in defense of scripture" because it was not.
Ok but who was it? Because regardless of who it is they should not be doing that it is unfitting of a believer in Christ

I have no issue confronting them as I am a mod on another christian forum so I am accustomed to having to settle matters like that
 
Interesting ... I believe we're elect only after we're saved ... before that, we all are dead in trespasses and sins. I do not believe in a special "elect" subset of humanity ... all descendants of Adam are in the same boat. Those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ ... who is the "Elect" ... become "elect" once they are saved, not because they are special in any way, shape, or form, but because they are in the Elect.





and I believe all are called ... few are chosen. And those who are chosen are the ones who heed the call. Some ignore/reject the call. Just because someone ignores or rejects the call does not mean they weren't called.

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yep in complete agreement ♥️
 
Ok but who was it? Because regardless of who it is they should not be doing that it is unfitting of a believer in Christ

I have no issue confronting them as I am a mod on another christian forum so I am accustomed to having to settle matters like that

So are you a moderator on CC now?
 
So are you a moderator on CC now?
No but I do give correction when it is needed, I have asked to be able to mod on cc but I do not think it is going to happen and honestly as long as everyone is respectable to one another that is all I care about for we are called to strengthen build encourage and teach one another
 
I have no desire to find those posts, the most egregious personal slander I have ever read on CC, and one cannot even say, "well it was in defense of scripture" because it was not.
Agree. A continual stream of vitriol diatribes and person attacks that had no equal.