The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Inquisitor]

I'm not convinced it isn't about more life in general as per Jesus' declaration, "I am the light of the world." Granted, those that believe will have the Holy Spirit as I noticed in particular today when reading through the threads and Mark 16:16 was posted,
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

I noted that statement was made without saying, "whoever does not believe and is not baptized will be condemned" stirring my thinking on whether believing is baptisms and indeed, the term, kai, can denote a 'namely' sense as much as it might denote an 'additional' requirement.

At any rate, I think it goes without saying that those that the moment one believes they do so in agreement with the Holy Spirit, and are at that time baptized, and I can't see anyone, once baptized with the Holy Spirit ever 'running out of oil.' I'm not intimately familiar with the miracle of the oil at Hanukkah but the widow's oil would apply.

I will let AI have a crack at defining the oil.

Scripture only


1. Oil explicitly symbolizes the Spirit of the LORD

• 1 Samuel 16:13
  “Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers, and the Spirit of the LORD rushed upon David from that day forward.”
• Isaiah 61:1
  “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, because the LORD has anointed me…”
• Zechariah 4:1–6 (lampstand supplied by oil)
  “These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands…
  Then he said to me, ‘This is the word of the LORD… Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the LORD of hosts.’”

Oil → anointing → Spirit.


2. Lamps require oil to give light; light is from the LORD

• Exodus 27:20
  “You shall command the people of Israel that they bring to you pure beaten olive oil for the light, that a lamp may regularly be set up to burn.”
• Psalm 18:28
  “For it is you who light my lamp; the LORD my God lightens my darkness.”
• Proverbs 20:27
  “The spirit of man is the lamp of the LORD…”

Lamp + oil → light given by God.


3. The Spirit is given, indwells, and must be possessed personally

• Ezekiel 36:26–27
  “And I will give you a new heart… And I will put my Spirit within you…”
• Zechariah 4:12
  “What are these two olive branches… that pour out golden oil?”
• Matthew 25:8–9
  “The foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil…’
  But the wise answered, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you…’”

The oil cannot be shared, just as the Spirit is personally received.


4. The Spirit is linked with readiness and watchfulness

• Matthew 25:10
  “And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast…”
• Romans 8:9
  “Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.”
• Galatians 5:25
  “If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit.”

Readiness is possession of the Spirit.


5. Absence of oil = absence of life from God

• Job 29:3
  “When his lamp shone upon my head, and by his light I walked through darkness.”
• Jude 12
  “Clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, twice dead…”

No oil → no light → no life.


Conclusion (from Scripture)

• Oil = anointing
• Anointing = Spirit of the LORD
• Lamps without oil = profession without the Spirit
• Entrance depends on being ready, which Scripture defines as having the Spirit

Therefore, by Scripture, the oil in the lamps signifies the Holy Spirit.

 

[Mem]

Proverbs 20:27
“The spirit of man is the lamp of the LORD…”

Readiness is possession of the Spirit.

No oil → no light → no life.

I'm not sure if this is a project in correcting my understanding or confirming it.

 

[Mem]

I'm not sure if this is a project in correcting my understanding or confirming it.

I'll show where AI agrees

The spirit of man is the lamp of the LORD
No one that has ever lived has done so without the lamp of the LORD, and everyone is presented His 'proposal' to 'become one with Him.'

Readiness is possession of the Spirit
This is the extra oil that supplements to 'spirit of man', as the Spirit 'completes' man or makes him 'whole.'

No oil no light no life
This is the fate of those that did not commit to their engagement by taking to themselves the extra oil.

 

[TMS]

The truth is there is no passage in the entire Bible that tells us which parts of the Law are "moral", which are "ceremonial", and which are "civil". Every division is speculative and usually based on a pre-existing bias.

There is no bias about about the 10 commandments that God engraved in stone and the laws that He didn't..

They are different. It is a fact, not a presumption. It is not speculative to say the 10 are different from the rest.

 

[TMS]

Further, every single one of you legalists is in the camp of the Judaizers, who attempted to enforce the Law given to Israel on Gentile believers.

You have fallen from grace.

How have I fallen from grace, when I teach Justification by faith.
When I believe and teach that we are saved by faith in the righteousness of Christ.
We can not do anything good or earn our salvation by works.

Because I believe the following verse am I fallen from grace?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[GWH]

There is no bias about about the 10 commandments that God engraved in stone and the laws that He didn't..

They are different. It is a fact, not a presumption. It is not speculative to say the 10 are different from the rest.

Whether moral or ceremonial, NT Scripture clearly teaches that the NC law is twofold:
Love for God/Messiah and love for humanity including oneself.
(Matt. 22:37-40, John 8:42-44, 1John 4:7-5:5, Gal. 5:6, etc.)

Also:
"The former regulation [OC/Levitical law] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant." (Heb. 7:11, 18a & 22b).
“A new commandment I give you: Love one another as I have loved you.” (John 13:34a)
"God has poured out His love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit he has given us." (Rom. 5:5)
"He who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law/commandments." (Rom. 13:8b)

 

[TMS]

That works if the oil is indeed representative of the Holy Spirit but there is nothing that indicates it necessarily is 'because they all had it.' What they all undoubtedly started with was a given to all, and enough of it until they fell asleep and then were awakened, the five foolish to the alarm that their lamps were going out compounded by the realization that the five wise regarded their oil as too precious to them to part with. Following the Stong's word for word says the foolish 'took their lamps but laid hold of no extra oil for herself(s)'

A current day parable might substitute flashlights and batteries with and without the extended life that is provided by a faith in Christ.

The source of our light, power, strength and readiness comes from the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is the Power of God within.

Some people can lose their zeal and connection with God over time.

They think they are Christians but have lost their first love.

By grace and the Holy Spirit we need to keep a strong relationship with Christ.

Rev 3:17-19
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Those that are zealous and repeat will buy the things God says above and will not be lost.
But those that are content and think they are okay, don't realize the danger they are in. They don't realize they are lacking God's Spirit,... poor, blind and naked.

 

[vassal]

The overriding subject of the N.T is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Romans 10:9-10
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses,
resulting in salvation.

A much simpler version of the gospel for the dummies.

Romans 10:13
For “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Acts 11:17
Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who
was I that I could stand in God’s way?

Romans 3:24
Being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If anyone ever tells you that salvation is not a free gift given to those that believe, they are deeply deceived.

A classic, Galatians 5, attempt to justify oneself by obedience to the law.

Jesus plus obedience to the law equals salvation.

Jesus did say to keep his commandments, if you truly believed Jesus you would.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Whether moral or ceremonial, NT Scripture clearly teaches that the NC law is twofold:
Love for God/Messiah and love for humanity including oneself.
(Matt. 22:37-40, John 8:42-44, 1John 4:7-5:5, Gal. 5:6, etc.)

Also:
"The former regulation [OC/Levitical law] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant." (Heb. 7:11, 18a & 22b).
“A new commandment I give you: Love one another as I have loved you.” (John 13:34a)
"God has poured out His love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit he has given us." (Rom. 5:5)
"He who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law/commandments." (Rom. 13:8b)

Jesus taught a lot more than this. The Ten Commandments are the law of God, not the law of Moses. Moses did not even take credit for them in any way Exo32:16 and he was there.


Jesus used interchangeably the commandments of God with the Word of God

Jesus speaking....

Mat 15:3 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ From the Ten Commandments
Mat 15:6 he is not to honor his father or mother.’ And by this you have invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.


Mat 7:13 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men

Which commandment?
‘Honor your father and your mother’ (from the Ten Exo20:12 Deut4:13)

13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying…”

These “words” are the Ten Commandments.

The commandments of God Jesus used interchangeably with the Word of God. Wow, can you imagine making the word of God of no effect though traditions of man. That's pretty serious in my mind. Jesus said it was
"in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men". The apostles spoke of this as well Col2:8

“These words the LORD spoke… and He added no more.
And He wrote them on two tablets of stone." Deut5:22

The Ten Commandments are explicitly called “the words” God spoke, and nothing else was added.


The Hebrew phrase is עֲשֶׂרֶת הַדְּבָרִים — Aseret haDvarim
Meaning: The Ten Words.

The Ten Commandments is the Ten Words of God.

Can the Testimony of God be edited by anyone?

Mat 25:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Why again used interchangeably with the Ten Commandments, the Law of God.

Mat5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Luke 16:17 It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than for one tittle of the law to fail.

Because...

Psa 119:89 Forever, O LORD, Your word is settled in heaven. Right where His ark and Testimony is Rev 11:19 Rev15:5 and includes the 4th commandment unedited as we see it continuing for eternity Isa66:22-23


Why again His word is used interchangeable with His Law in Judgement

John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken (His Testimony Exo31:18) will judge him in the last day.

James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty (Ten Commandments- the He who said in Exo20:1-17- Gods Testimony Exo31:18)


Once God tells us what things mean, they stay the same throughout the Bible, because there is no one above God. The entire Bible is about the testimony of God John5:39 through His prophets and disciples. Who has the greatest testimony of all- God's Exo31:18 why it sits under His mercy seat in heaven Ev15:5 Rev11:19 unedited because He is God and we are called to join ourselves to Him and be His servant Isa56:6

The Ten Commandments cannot be edited- God promised He would not alter His words Psa89:34 Deut4:13 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 because no church, no person is above God. Sadly His Law was edited just as predicted that most follow Dan7:25 but we are living in the last days and God is calling us back Rev18:4 to worship our Creator Rev14:7 Exo20:11 and worship Jesus relates to obedience. Staying faithful/obedient to God through love and faith is how we remain in Him John15:10 Rev14:12 and reconcile Rev22:14

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I will let AI have a crack at defining the oil.

Scripture only


1. Oil explicitly symbolizes the Spirit of the LORD

• 1 Samuel 16:13
  “Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers, and the Spirit of the LORD rushed upon David from that day forward.”
• Isaiah 61:1
  “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, because the LORD has anointed me…”
• Zechariah 4:1–6 (lampstand supplied by oil)
  “These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands…
  Then he said to me, ‘This is the word of the LORD… Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the LORD of hosts.’”

Oil → anointing → Spirit.


2. Lamps require oil to give light; light is from the LORD

• Exodus 27:20
  “You shall command the people of Israel that they bring to you pure beaten olive oil for the light, that a lamp may regularly be set up to burn.”
• Psalm 18:28
  “For it is you who light my lamp; the LORD my God lightens my darkness.”
• Proverbs 20:27
  “The spirit of man is the lamp of the LORD…”

Lamp + oil → light given by God.


3. The Spirit is given, indwells, and must be possessed personally

• Ezekiel 36:26–27
  “And I will give you a new heart… And I will put my Spirit within you…”
• Zechariah 4:12
  “What are these two olive branches… that pour out golden oil?”
• Matthew 25:8–9
  “The foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil…’
  But the wise answered, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you…’”

The oil cannot be shared, just as the Spirit is personally received.


4. The Spirit is linked with readiness and watchfulness

• Matthew 25:10
  “And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast…”
• Romans 8:9
  “Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.”
• Galatians 5:25
  “If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit.”

Readiness is possession of the Spirit.


5. Absence of oil = absence of life from God

• Job 29:3
  “When his lamp shone upon my head, and by his light I walked through darkness.”
• Jude 12
  “Clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, twice dead…”

No oil → no light → no life.


Conclusion (from Scripture)

• Oil = anointing
• Anointing = Spirit of the LORD
• Lamps without oil = profession without the Spirit
• Entrance depends on being ready, which Scripture defines as having the Spirit

Therefore, by Scripture, the oil in the lamps signifies the Holy Spirit.

Sometimes AI gets it right. This is one of those times.

 

[Mem]

The source of our light, power, strength and readiness comes from the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is the Power of God within.

Some people can lose their zeal and connection with God over time.

They think they are Christians but have lost their first love.

By grace and the Holy Spirit we need to keep a strong relationship with Christ.

Rev 3:17-19
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Those that are zealous and repeat will buy the things God says above and will not be lost.
But those that are content and think they are okay, don't realize the danger they are in. They don't realize they are lacking God's Spirit,... poor, blind and naked.

You're wasting your time on me. I'll never get the characterization of God loving me while I was perpetually breaking the commandments, so much that He gave His only begotten Son so that I might have life but then repossesses this gold and white raiment to expose my shame and nakedness, if I can't keep them afterward. A lot of people regard the virgins in the parable as being all being believers, yet a virgin an archaic categorization of the unmarried, and one that the bridegroom has asked for her hand in marriage in the case of the parable. The passage you present is an example of a church whose equivalent is the rich young ruler who had all the finest things in life but was missing the love of God, the gold tried in the fire.

 

[Dino246]

There is no bias about about the 10 commandments that God engraved in stone and the laws that He didn't..

They are different. It is a fact, not a presumption. It is not speculative to say the 10 are different from the rest.

I don’t disagree, but God didn’t say some are moral and some aren’t… period.

 

[Dino246]

How have I fallen from grace, when I teach Justification by faith.
When I believe and teach that we are saved by faith in the righteousness of Christ.
We can not do anything good or earn our salvation by works.

Because I believe the following verse am I fallen from grace?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

You go and meditate on Paul’s words before I respond.

 

[HeIsHere]

Your whole point depends on one passage from Paul. But Jesus is the One who gives the truth of salvation, and Jesus never said that a person is automatically guaranteed heaven the moment they believe. He never said that repentance is not part of the gospel. In fact, Jesus preached repentance from the very beginning. “Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matthew 4:17 ). His apostles preached the same message. Peter said “Repent ye, and be baptized… unto the remission of your sins” (Acts 2:38). So repentance is part of the good news, not something to throw away.
Jesus taught that the Father gives the Spirit to those who obey Him and ask Him (Luke 11:13 ). He never said the Spirit is a guarantee no matter how a person lives. Jesus warned that a branch in Him can be cut off if it stops bearing fruit (John 15:2 ). If salvation were a guaranteed gold seal, Jesus would not warn His own disciples like that.

Jesus also said “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven but he that doeth the will of my Father” (Matthew 7:21 ). If entrance were guaranteed by one moment of belief, Jesus would not say this. He also said “He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13). Endurance is not automatic, it is a daily walk with Christ.
So how should a person behave if they truly believe in Jesus? Jesus answered it Himself. A true disciple keeps His word (John 8:31 ), loves God and neighbor (Matthew 22:37 to 39) , forgives others to be forgiven (Matthew 6:14 to 15 ), turns from sin (John 8:11 ), and walks in the light (John 12:35 to 36 ). This is the life of someone saved by God’s grace.

Jesus never promised a sealed, unconditional future. He promised eternal life to those who follow Him and remain in His word.
That is the truth He taught.

First I think the message of the Gospel needs to be understood and pinned down, then all the rest is to be understood as its progressive revelation in scripture.

Also see post #1659

 

[HeIsHere]

When we are saved we come into the light which exposes (or "makes manifests") our sin. No one who does not know he is a sinner would take the radical step of trusting in Christ. However, FUTURE sins are only potential sins rather than actual. Because we have not yet done them they do not yet exist. We MIGHT commit those sins at some point but God does not CONVICT, REPROVE or REBUKE anyone for what they MIGHT do only for what they ACTUALLY do.

The word says that in order to be forgiven of our ongoing sins believers must continue to admit to (or confess) our sins to Him. That which was our first step of faith must become our ongoing walk of faith. If we continue being honest about what we have done, He will continue to respond to us by continually forgiving and cleansing us:

…8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.…(1 John 1:8-9)

The Present tense in Greek
The verbs "confess" and "cleanse" are in the PRESENT TENSE which indicates actions that are continual, ongoing or habitual
In English, we know that the present tense describes something happening right now. It informs us of the time when an action takes place. In Greek, however, the present tense primarily tells us the type of action. The Greek present tense indicates continued action, something that happens continually or repeatedly, or something that is in the process of happening. If you say, for instance, “The sun is rising,” you are talking about a process happening over a period of time, not an instantaneous event. The Greeks use the present tense to express this kind of continued action.
https://ezraproject.com/greek-tenses-explained/

Do you think the audience to whom the letter from John was written needs to be taken into account?

 

[JimiSurvivor]

It doesn’t say “what shall we do to be saved” but “what shall we do”.

Peter's answer to them showed them how to respond to Christ's death and be reconciled to God. A response is a choice we make we hear the gospel. When we hear that we are sinners our hearts being "pricked" by the Holy Spirit is part of CONVICTION of the Holy Spirit. As Paul said: For you felt the sorrow that God had intended, and so were not harmed in any way by us. 10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation without regret, but worldly sorrow brings death (2 Corinthians 7:10).

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Do you think the audience to whom the letter from John was written needs to be taken into account?

The audience spoke Greek and therefore would have understood the meaning of the Present Tense.

 

[pinebeach]

so tiresome

you are playing on the turf of a Judaizer. a combination of God's grace + human effort (law keeping, commandments, holy days, Sabbath keeping etc) were called 'Judaizers' when they first began their efforts to include themselves in Jesus completed work.
This word comes from a Greek verb meaning 'to live according to Jewish customs'. In Galatians, Paul describes how he confronted Peter, who had caved under pressure of these Judaizers, and was forcing Christians, believers, converts to Christ, to Judaize. You can find this in Galatians 2.

Thing is, if you are a Judaizer, you will have no use for Paul, other than in passing, even though the text referred to involves Peter (I hope we all know who Peter is?) receiving correction from Paul.

Now a person might wonder or ask why a disciple of Jesus, who walked with him for about 3 years, would receive that correction from someone who did not personally walk with Jesus for 3 years. You will find the answer to that in Acts, wherein Peter received a vision from God and Paul received his calling from Jesus.

Peter seems to have had somewhat of a character flaw in that he denied Jesus and then later, went on to deny salvation through Jesus only. He did find strength later on, but for the understanding of what a Judaizer is, I refer to the above.

Now why do these people scoff at the thought of anyone correcting them regarding these things? Well, unlike Peter, they did not walk with Jesus personally so they do not have the conviction of His remembered presence to guide them into correction. They are too busy inflating their own ego and keeping commandments that were given, not as a way to salvation, but as a determinent of sin, even though sin already existed since the garden and certainly beyond when it got so bad, God wiped everyone out in the great deluge, or flood, as it is commonly called.

So, back to my first sentence here, this thread is ridiculous and the constant back and forth is very tiresome. I know. Been there, done that.

UNTIL and not before, a person understands what is really going on here, you might continue to provide scripture to show that the commandments are not the covenant. And you would be right. BUT what you might be missing, is that the op consistently calls the commandments, titles his op...all 3 in fact...with references to the commandments and then proceeds to hoodwink everyone by talking about Jesus and how he follows Jesus. Right he follows Jesus right up the end of John with one big exception that has been pointed out quite a few times.

The op rejects Paul as an authoratative figure in the Bible. This, of course, radically changes a person's understanding as Paul wrote a large portion of the New Testament. People who reject his teaching as being authorative will say Paul taught a different gospel or Paul is wrong about grace only or perhaps they don't like his teaching on morality.

So I'm writing this on what appears to be p.85 and nothing has changed except, and some will say it is an answer to prayer, I have had enough. By now, it's vomit and really should stop. I will pray though. Frankly, I think it would be better to stop the attention to a Judaizer who, I have noticed, now calls people stupid, ignorant or no nothings. Why do you allow that? Address God about the situation, cause for some reason, this anti-biblical barrage continues.

Thanks if you read all this and perhaps are considering what I said.

ps I write the above not because I care, really, if y'all want to continue on the same (you seem to), but because I am weary and saddened over the name of our Savior being kicked down the road by someone who does not identify as Christian. You don't need to defend that Name. That Name is above all names and He is Lord and God eternal, the only begotten Son of God who gave His life in a painful and shameful death that we might call upon Him.

Hey ~ you know? Let the dead bury the dead.

 

[vassal]

2 Corinthians 5:17-20
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry
of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses
against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ,
as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

You said, "only Jesus can give eternal life".

Your talking as if one must complete an obstacle course to be saved?

You are in direct conflict with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

As soon as you receive the Holy Spirit that is God's solemn promise that you are saved.

The only possible way to receive the Holy Spirit (the pledge) is by BELIEVING in Jesus Christ.

Of course, your belief in Jesus Christ must endure but enduring does not save you.

Only believing in the gospel of Jesus Christ saves.

The gospel is from above and has nothing to do with some girl in Battle Creek.

Again you quoted Paul to argue against the very words of Jesus. But Jesus is the One who gives eternal life, and Jesus is the One who will judge all people. He never said we are saved the moment we believe something in our mind. He never said receiving the Spirit is a guaranteed ticket to heaven. He never taught a salvation without obedience, without repentance, or without doing the Father’s will.
Jesus said plainly that believing him truly means following Him, its not an “obstacle course,” it is simply real faith. Real faith hears His voice and obeys Him. Fake faith uses easy sayings but ignores His commands.
Jesus Himself warned:
“Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46 NKJV)
Jesus said only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom (Matthew 7:21).
Jesus said if you want to enter life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).
Jesus said His sheep hear His voice and follow Him (John 10:27).
Jesus said if you love Him, you keep His word (John 14:23).
Jesus said the one who endures to the end will be saved (Matthew 24:13).
Jesus said every tree is known by its fruit (Matthew 7:17-20).
None of this matches your teaching.

You say “believing alone saves.”
James, the brother of Jesus, says demons also believe and tremble (James 2:19). That kind of belief saves no one.
You say “enduring does not save you.”
Jesus says the one who endures to the end will be saved (Matthew 24:13). I will trust Jesus.
You say “as soon as you have the Spirit, you are saved.”
Jesus says the Spirit is given to those who obey God (Acts 5:32), not to those who speak easy words.
You say “I am in conflict with the gospel.”
But the only gospel Jesus preached was the Kingdom of God, repentance, keeping God’s word, and following Him with all your heart.
You say “believing alone saves.”
Jesus says believing means listening to Him and doing what He says.
If someone truly believes in Christ, they will follow Him and obey Him, because Jesus said:
“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.” (John 10:27 NKJV)
This is salvation according to Jesus Himself.

 

[vassal]

How did you get so twisted regarding what event saves you?

Paul was the only apostle to explain the gospel precisely.

"If your message cannot stand on Jesus’ words, it is not the gospel of Jesus. If your doctrine must run
to Paul because Jesus contradicts it, then you have built your faith on a man instead of the Son of God."

What did Jesus ultimately say?

Matthew 16:21
From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things
from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.

Matthew 20:19
And will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.

Your going to get the apostle John from now on.

John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name.

John 3:15
So that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6:29
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.

John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.

On and on it goes.

You quoted many verses from John, but you skipped the parts Jesus spoke that destroy your claim. You read half of Jesus’ words and ignore the rest. That is why your doctrine collapses.
Yes, Jesus said to believe. But Jesus Himself tells you what real belief looks like. It is not repeating words. It is not a one-time moment. It is not automatic salvation. Jesus never taught that.
Look carefully at your own list:
John 3:36
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life.”
You read the first half and threw away the second. Jesus says belief without obedience will not see life. That is Jesus speaking, not me.
John 1:12
“To those who received Him, He gave the right to become children of God.”
The right to become. Not an instant guarantee. Becoming a child of God is a life of following Him, not an automatic stamp.
John 3:18
“He who believes… is not judged.”
Yes, but Jesus also says many will call Him “Lord” and still be rejected because they did not do the Father’s will (Matthew 7:21). The same Jesus spoke both verses. Real belief is shown by doing what He says.
John 5:24
“He who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me…”
You cannot believe Him while ignoring His teachings. Jesus says hearing and believing must go together. He never said belief is separate from obedience.
John 6:29
“This is the work of God, that you believe…”
And just a few verses later Jesus says those who follow Him must eat His flesh and drink His blood, meaning to take in His life and obey His word. Belief is not empty words. It is receiving Him fully and living by Him.
John 8:31
“If you continue in My word, you are My disciples indeed.”
Not if you speak a sentence. Not if you hold a doctrine.
If you continue in His word.
John 10:27
“My sheep hear My voice, and they follow Me.”
Not “they believe once.”
“They follow Me.”
John 12:48
“My word will judge him on the last day.”
You will be judged by the words you skip.
John 14:21
“He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me.”
This is Jesus’ definition of belief.
John 15:2
“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away.”
A branch “in Him” can still be removed. That alone destroys your entire doctrine.
You keep saying Paul explains the gospel “precisely.”
That only proves the problem.
You run to Paul because Jesus’ own words contradict you at every turn.
If your gospel cannot stand on Jesus alone, then you are not preaching His gospel.
Jesus said:
“Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46)
The words of Jesus stand.
The words of Jesus judge.
The words of Jesus define belief.
And according to Jesus:
Real belief obeys.
Real belief follows.
Real belief continues.
Real belief bears fruit.
Real belief endures to the end.
Anything less is not the gospel of Christ, no matter how many times you quote Him halfway.