Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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I don't miss hearing you. I just don't believe you.
Yes, He does the very thing He takes no pleasure in. When we do that it is called insanity.
I have never seen this in scripture and I have encountered all three of these things demons witches (my sister for one) and unbelievers never seen or heard of this so where do you get your info from?
ok well again I apologize sometimes words tend to blur together for me but either way I have been searching for any other verses that speak of the gifts ceasing in any way but cannot find it
As for the context well I won't ask you to provide it again as I know it can be a chore but even so as far as the word of God is concerned I am still searching for any evidence aside from one verse that says they will cease when the perfect has been perfected
You need more than one verse in scripture to make it true?
Understand the purpose of tongues and it makes sense. God did not give us gifts to make us feel good within ourselves but for others.
Tongues was specifically given to the Jews to say here is your Messiah, rest in Him and to warn Israel of impending judgement. In Isaiah's day it was achieved through the invasion of Assyria. In the 1st century is was achieved through the destruction of the Temple.
Is.28:11-12
For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people, (Israel)
12 To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.
Paul draws on this to explain the gift of tongues in 1Cor.14:20-22. One cannot ignore the purpose of something without falling into error.
It doesn't change. It only unfolds. It moves forward in stages and phases.
It was a train wreck after train wreck......I am now stupider for watching the whole thing.
And "sermon" is correct. No teaching involved throughout.
Evidently one can make a career out of Biblically illiterate gaslighting if you toss in a few buzzwords and catchphrases.
you do have some good points brother, and i am listening m, and you are making difference, I believe your only elect until saved, I believe where is does go wrong is everybody is called. Which is also like being chosen
Yes we must not build our doctrines from a single verse so yes I do require more than one to make it true as for it being achieved already well the thing is unbelievers still exist as do unbelieving jews so if it was achieved then we would not see it in operation today yet we do even if only as you say in special cirumstances and that scripture there yes it says it was speaking to the people it references but nowhere states it has or will cease in todays age
however there are scriptures that speak on the gifts such as
Corinthians 12:4-7
“There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.” – 1 Corinthians 12:4-7
Note the word everyone in this verse and again “Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights.” – James 1:17 and again “To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.” – 1 Corinthians 12:8-10 And yet again “If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God; if anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ.” – 1 Peter 4:11 {note the word anyone in this one}
There are many more as well but they all are valid and none say they are ceased gone or achieved yet there is one verse that says they will cease and then there is the verse you gave above but that doesn't say any such thing and in particular it speaks about a certain people and that is vague at best it can be interpreted in more than just what your implying
You sure you made it to the end?I watched it and it sounded to me like he squarely put the responsibility to respond positively to God on the shoulders of the person being given the word or face the consequences.
I see no responsibility or accountability of people in your doctrine, only God's "so there, take that". A God who takes no pleasure in death yet deliberately creates a people solely for the purpose of death? Contradiction much?
There is nothing about God creating people for death. There was a call given for individuals to respond to God's grace.
It seems people here comment without giving a fair hearing or hearing at all. And that's okay. That's actually what I expected.