Rediscovering pisteuo.
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It doesn't say anything like that anywhere in the Bible.
How come the only ones that believe like you do are also Reformed, the small group?
And everyone else knows you follow things you just flat out make up.
You don't understand what grace means? Really? You need to go back to scripture and read about it. "by grace are ye saved", that means that NOTHING but grace is necessary. You also need to learn about Jesus as the Savior.
I think we see Grace differently.
You say Grace is "given" ?
I would say grace is made available.
I'm Jewish, I have lived Grace in my personal lineage for over 5,000 years. It's you that are new and don't know a thing.
When we respond with our own faith and faithing, and He accepts it, our surrendered life, then we are given the "grace deposit" a real piece of God Himself.
So if your saying in effect faith by us is not a requirement to receive grace, Christ wouldn't have needed it either. And we certainly Don't have any reason to follow Him?
Okay, we're going around in circles at this point. Until and unless you can understand what grace is - its magnitude and what it achieves, no sense in continuing further.
I already quoted Scripture which you denied. Since you deny Scripture only thing left to offer is proof.
Salvation is a completely free gift by God's exceeding mercy and grace through Jesus Christ to those He chose for it. No one can earn it nor make themselves worthy of it, nor give it to themselves. Not everyone receives it.
Man I'm trying here.
Your kind of saying, God just gives everyone grace and let's all go home. Thats just not Gods ways.
Yeah, he believes one day he just woke up Saved so he's going to Heaven now and nothing he can do to ruin it.
Now your changing the wording when you say salvation is the free gift. Grace is the free gift, faith is our response to that free.
Just the fact they used the word grace instead of the word salvation should shine some light on this for you.
Well, the opposite of that is that salvation must be earned by us somehow which isn't possible and will only lead to God's wrath
because it tramples underfoot the Savior He sent for the express purpose of saving. We are to rest in His completed works - but that rest
is not given to everyone by God
If grace is free, salvation is too. "by grace are ye saved". Do you see the "are ye"?
Ya, we're all learning, on separate learning levels. hopefully headed to the same place.
We got to stay teachable though , amen?