FOUNDATION, the 12 apostles or Pauls?
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Yes.
And there are important points in the passage.
"So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
First, notice that the mission of the Apostles was the same as the mission of Jesus:
"Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you."
Now that Jesus had "All authority in heaven and on earth" He could send whomever He wanted. BUT, the manner and mission of their sending would be grounded IN THE FATHER. That is to say: just a Jesus only did what He saw His Father doing, the Apostles, likewise, would only do what they saw the Lord doing. They were not free to disobey the Lord and remain obedient to the Lord.
To empower those whom Jesus was sending, the next portion is crucial:
"He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit."
Here He is, the Holy Spirit: the Spirit of God both empowers and restrains men, especially men who have given their lives to the Lord as "living sacrifices".
So when Jesus says this next:
"If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
The context is this: Just like I only did what I saw my Father doing, you will, likewise, only do what you see Me doing. So, when you see that I have forgiven men their sins, you will likewise tell them "Your sins are forgiven". This is the grace that comes from EVERYONE who walks not by the flesh but buy the Spirit.
This is a delegation of authority that is common in the armed forces but is often missed by the "Just me and Jesus" crowd.
I already showed you. The blood of Christ is for the remission of sin which is why we are baptized into his death. There is only one baptism for the Church ergo, when we are baptized with the Spirit it is into His death and resurrection. How else can we have our sins remitted if it is by His blood?
As for tongues, that was a sign for Jewish unbelievers as prophesied in Is.28:11-12 to point them to Christ and Paul reiterated it in 1Cor.14:21-22 therefore, when the Temple was destroyed signifying Israel's final rejection of the Messiah, tongues ceased to operate.
He didn't know, he had forgotten what the Lord had said to him at the time He commanded them to be baptized in water in Acts 10. It wasn't until he was recounting what happened that he finally remembered that water was for John's baptism and the Spirit was Christ's baptism Acts 11.
It was actually 3 questions so here are the 3 answers. Your welcome.
Here is a simple explanation why the explanation from AI may differ.
I asked AI to answer your reply above by using a simple example in the scripture.
Scripture only. If I asked whether a water baptism was necessary for salvation. Would AI give me a different
reply based on whether I used "scripture only". To the reply I would be given if I omitted "scripture only"?
Here is the explanation AI provided.
Yes — very likely it would, and for a clear reason.
Why “scripture only” changes the answer
When you say “scripture only”, you are constraining the source of authority. The reply must be formed
only from explicit biblical statements and their internal relationships, without appeal to:
- Church tradition
- Historical theology
- Denominational interpretations
- Systematic theology frameworks
- Logical synthesis beyond the text itself
If you ask without “scripture only”
The answer will usually:
- Harmonize baptism passages with theological systems
- Appeal to doctrines like sacramental grace, ordinances, or means of grace
- Resolve tensions by interpretation rather than by leaving them standing
- Often conclude something like:
- “Baptism is normally expected, but salvation is by faith”
- or “Baptism is a sign that accompanies salvation”
If you ask with “scripture only”
The reply must:
- Quote or directly reference texts that explicitly connect salvation to faith
- Quote or reference texts that explicitly connect baptism to salvation
- Allow both sets of passages to stand without importing a system to reconcile them
- Avoid conclusions not stated in the text
- Scripture clearly states salvation is by faith (e.g., belief, trust, receiving Christ)
- Scripture also speaks strongly of baptism in connection with repentance and forgiveness
- Scripture never explicitly states: “Water baptism is a prerequisite without which salvation cannot occur”
The key difference
- Without “scripture only” → AI answers theologically
- With “scripture only” → AI answers exegetically
In short:
Yes. The phrase “scripture only” materially changes both the reasoning process and the final answer.
Did you just punch in John 3:5 or did you qualify the question with "scripture only"?
I belong to the school of Sola Scriptura, so I always punch in scripture only.
Horses for courses.
AI is a powerful tool if you use it wisely.
I am only concerned only with the revelation of Jesus Christ and the declaration of the gospel.
I am in the same boat as everyone else through history.
In that, I hold to the enforcement of scripture only.
All church interpretations, denomination variance, theological input, philosophy, is soundly rejected.
Romans 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved.
Paul explained the gospel of Jesus Christ fully.
The authority rests on the shoulders of the apostle to the Gentiles.
I already showed you. The blood of Christ is for the remission of sin which is why we are baptized into his death. There is only one baptism for the Church ergo, when we are baptized with the Spirit it is into His death and resurrection. How else can we have our sins remitted if it is by His blood?
As for tongues, that was a sign for Jewish unbelievers as prophesied in Is.28:11-12 to point them to Christ and Paul reiterated it in 1Cor.14:21-22 therefore, when the Temple was destroyed signifying Israel's final rejection of the Messiah, tongues ceased to operate.
He didn't know, he had forgotten what the Lord had said to him at the time He commanded them to be baptized in water in Acts 10. It wasn't until he was recounting what happened that he finally remembered that water was for John's baptism and the Spirit was Christ's baptism Acts 11.
It was actually 3 questions so here are the 3 answers. Your welcome.
Thank you, I really don't want your oppinion I really what you to show me in HIS word.
Show me where are sins are remitted when we are filled with the Holy
Ghost.
Scripture only.
Are you really saying that Peter forgot to baptize them???
It is, as long as you use HIS word as your foundation.
So what do you think of what JESUS said in John 3:5??
Same Summary,
have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed?
Example, Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Do you know what this form was all about???
Did you read the first post?
If you did, you would know that Paul was speaking to those who have been reborn in the book of Romans???
Not the unsaved, so that has NOTHING to do with salavation.
If you read the whole chapler you can see that fact for your self.
I did show you in His word. I have used scripture all along.
No, he didn't forget to baptize them, there is no need for baptism in water because remission of sins is now through the death (blood) of Christ. This is what Peter realised in Acts 11. Everything fell into place regarding baptism at the moment he recalled what Christ had told them before He left.
It is not the filling of the Spirit, it is the baptism of the Spirit. A number of things occur with the baptism, chief among them we are baptized into Christ.
Matthew 26:28
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
The death of Christ for the remission of sins coupled with being baptized into His death
Romans 6:3
Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
.... and there only being one baptism under the New Covenant
Ephesians 4:5
one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
.... and that being the baptism of Christ and not John,
Acts 1:5
for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
... all points to there no longer being a need for water baptism.
Are you worried Peter made a mistake? It wasn't his only one.
Gal.2:11-12
11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.
We never have to worry about making mistakes, the only thing to fear is when making them, we refuse correction.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
The Lord keeps His word.
I asked AI about John 3:5 and whether water baptism is necessary for salvation?
Using Scripture only.
Here is the reply from AI.
1. Salvation defined by faith in Christ
- Romans 10:9–10 — “If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”
- Romans 10:13 — “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
- Ephesians 2:8–9 — “By grace you have been saved through faith… not as a result of works.”
- John 3:16 — “Whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”
- John 5:24 — “He who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life… has passed out of death into life.”
Salvation is consistently attached to believing.
2. Water baptism and salvation distinguished
- 1 Corinthians 1:17 — “Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel.”
- 1 Corinthians 15:1–4 — The gospel is Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.
- Romans 4:5 — “To the one who does not work, but believes… his faith is credited as righteousness.”
- Luke 23:42–43 — The thief believed and was promised paradise, without water baptism.
3. Passages where water baptism appears
- Acts 2:38 — “Repent, and each of you be baptized…”
- Acts 10:44–48 — The Holy Spirit fell on them before water baptism.
- Acts 16:30–31 — “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.”
- Galatians 3:27 — “All of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.”
- Romans 6:3–4 — “Baptized into Christ Jesus… into His death.”
4. John 3:5 — “born of water and the Spirit”
- John 3:5–6 — “Unless one is born of water and the Spirit…”
- Ezekiel 36:25–27 — “I will sprinkle clean water on you… I will put My Spirit within you.”
- John 7:37–39 — “This He spoke of the Spirit.”
- Titus 3:5 — “He saved us… by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.”
Water language is tied to cleansing and regeneration, explicitly explained as the work of the Spirit.
5. Spirit baptism as fulfillment
- Matthew 3:11 — “He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
- John 1:33 — “This is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.”
- Acts 1:5 — “You will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 — “By one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.”
6. Water baptism defined by Scripture
- 1 Peter 3:21 — “Baptism now saves you — not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
I did show you in His word. I have used scripture all along.
No, he didn't forget to baptize them, there is no need for baptism in water because remission of sins is now through the death (blood) of Christ. This is what Peter realised in Acts 11. Everything fell into place regarding baptism at the moment he recalled what Christ had told them before He left.
It is not the filling of the Spirit, it is the baptism of the Spirit. A number of things occur with the baptism, chief among them we are baptized into Christ.
Matthew 26:28
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
The death of Christ for the remission of sins coupled with being baptized into His death
Romans 6:3
Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
.... and there only being one baptism under the New Covenant
Ephesians 4:5
one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
.... and that being the baptism of Christ and not John,
Acts 1:5
for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
... all points to there no longer being a need for water baptism.
Are you worried Peter made a mistake? It wasn't his only one.
Gal.2:11-12
11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.
We never have to worry about making mistakes, the only thing to fear is when making them, we refuse correction.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
The Lord keeps His word.
No you didn't, why do you try to keep talking using your own opinion it's not story time??
You have in your mind that sins are remitted with we are BAPTIZED (filled who cares) with the Holy Ghost PROVE IT.
Let me help you, Peter and JESUS said this is what happens.
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
So PROVE them to be wrong and your right.
So he baptized them for NO REASON at all, a commandment.
Like I said story time.
What is the root of your problem with not accepting HIS word?
Baptism in water remittes our sins, baptized in the Holy Ghost is JESUS filling us with HIS SPIRIT.
TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
John 3:5
King James Version
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be (1. born of water) (((and))) (2. of the Spirit), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and (1. be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins), (((and)) (2. ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.)
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
DO YOU NOTICE, THE WORD "AND" TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
1. Keep it simple PROVE to me where are sins are remitted when we are BAPTIZED with the Holy Ghost.
2. We know that Peter did in fact baptism them and there, WHY???? Was it for show?
Same questions.
Yep, do you understand it was a letter to the church not the unsaved?
How can we learn from HIS word if we don't keep things in context?
I see to just keep be willing to God to teach me new in stuff and not force anything on anyone else. I saw one day while reading the Bible, Hebrews 5:12 - Chapter 6 and asked for the maturity offered am learning this, still in process, thank you for your kind words as well
I got I have no righteousness, None! Then I saw I do have righteousness. seeing. it is not mine. It is God Father and Son's for me to participate in and take no credit to self in it, all credit to Father in risen Son.
God loves us all deep, high and wider that I can ever fathom
Let's, understand what was happening right then and there. Christ was dead and then seen risen. Told all sin forgiven by the love and mercy of Father as leader, through the death of Jesus first. 2 Cor 5:16-22. Amazing grace given, yet the unredeemed flesh still in the way as is the same today for all flesh, before new birth given them to learn new from Father, to stand in what is done for them by Son Col. 1:21-23
Angered, mad in Peter's self, the unredeemed flesh in the way. Not yet understanding or understood fully yet, in process, why Jesus had to die first, yet, he had gotten told by the risen Son why? Acts, 1, still reasoning this all out. Then as risen where new life is given from Father, through risen Jesus to all that choose to believe Father raised Son Jesus for the dead, receive new life in them to learn new, are Spirit Baptized by Daddy to learn new. Are Spirit Baptized by Farther then and there. As we all have and do make mistakes along the way. First sealed by Dad, Father, PaPa on the first day one, anyone believes God by God for them. Get to see Accepted by God through Son's done work for them. Eph 1:6, then see verse 7 Forgiven. then begin to understand Eph. 1:13, sealed by God Father in risen Son to learn new one thing at a time, not all at once. Confusion comes in from doing too much at one time. Evil is great at that confusing people.
I know from scriptures, Peter was angry over the religious leaders getting Jesus killed. Wanting to understand this, yet not easy. Peter growing new, yet still mad as hell over them getting Jesus killed. They say to Peter what must we do?
Repent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! be water Batist for the remission of sins. So we have now one must be water Baptized, When truth is, be Spiritually Baptized. John said to Jesus, I need to be Baptized by you, and you come to me. I Baptize With water, you Baptize with Spirit. I Must decrease, you must increase. What has increased? Water or Spirit Baptism? What is the whole truth, to be water Baptized or Spirit Baptized and by who? God or man?
When truth is Jesus is the Baptism in Spirit and Truth of Father for each person to believe to be in and learn new in love and mercy to all that is given them first in Son for them
We love because God first loved us. We forgive because we are forgiven by God first
This is truth. It is not have to forgive to get forgiven anymore or have to love to be loved anymore
There is a before the cross and an after the cross
Before under Law, After holding up the Law., no longer trying to do the Law, no learning new in having to do the Law from God and Son. 1 John 2:27 Now being taught new how to from God, not from self or others anymore. This is personal, between God and you frist, before anyone can truly love anyone else, thank you
This type was fulfilled in Christ at his baptism when John transferred the priesthood from Aaron to Christ, so conceivably our baptisms are our commissionings into the Melchizedek priesthood.