The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Maybe your missing the point..
I'm not talking about spiritual uncleanness.
I'm talking about physical unclean

If a pig was created with a digestion that reobsorbs its toxins (urine), back into the flesh instead of excreting it. It was an unclean flesh to eat in the days of Moses, so how has it stopped being an unclean flesh today?

To the Jews the Gentiles were unclean.
 
If you want to believe the symbolic vision was literal you can eat the unclean animals. Your choice.

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
If you want to believe that dietary laws are still in effect even though God said they aren't, that's up to you. You're wrong though.
 
Nothing in the 10 commandments talks about food

John 6:31-35
Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.’”
Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven,
but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes
down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.

Jesus talks about the true bread from heaven.
 
The law of God has not changed. If the law could have been changed then Christ would not have needed to die.

Remove the law and we no longer need the blood of Jesus because sin is no longer an issue.
The blood of Jesus fulfilled the law's demand for blood of the sinner. as life is in the blood and the law's judgment is death. The law must honor and accept the blood of Jesus, just as the sinner must also agree, worthy is the Lamb's offering. Jesus is the First and the Last Word on any matter of the law, on any matter of life. His authority supersedes that of the law, physically, spiritually, literally, figuratively, and any way in between. Christ's law is summarized in love.
 
And as I have said, Scripture both distinguishes and conflates them.

You have dodged the main point of my post. The law HAS been changed. Do you acknowledge this?
You are not acknowledging the difference between the laws.. I do acknowledge that the old covenant was replaced by the better new covenant.

Many of the laws were nailed to the cross and came to an end at the cross.

But you put all the laws together and say they all changed...

If you read the verses that are referring to the 10 commandments there is no doubt that they are not removed or changed.

Jesus said to keep the commandments knowing He was about to shed His blood.

Paul said the law (ten commandments) is holy, just and Good.

James said the ten commandments are the law of liberty.

If it was removed, made void or changed why is it referred to in the new Testament as something we should keep.

The covenant was not the 10 commandments.. it was The agreement between the people and God.

The first was faulty.. God gave the 10 commandments, and God does not do anything faulty. Did God give faulty laws?
 
  • Like
Reactions: SabbathBlessing
If you want to believe that dietary laws are still in effect even though God said they aren't, that's up to you. You're wrong though.

comment:

Do you understand those "crazy laws" existed at the time of the Flood?? at the beginning?

Our "Creator, the ONE who designed us and made us" has the right and the duty to tell us what to eat and what not to eat.

But, and there is always a but, But WE know better! Just look how good every thing is in our nation and the world right now.

Look at how healthy we are, no one is over weight by 200 lb, no one gets cancer any more.

We have all things under perfect control --right??

No one is talking about WW3 or another great depression, right?

We are a nation of lawlessness-- end of story.
 
Nothing in the ten commandments talks about Jesus.

The ten commandments are not the words of life.

You were commanded to believe in Jesus.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.
We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us.

Is that believing in Jesus a commandment or not?
I do not say that the 10 commandments are the only law we need to obey

I explained why I believe many of the laws in the old testament. God does not change and His morals do not change.

Gods moral principle of not stealing or lying have not changed over time.

It was a sin to murder when Cain killed able and it is a sin to murder today.

The 10 commandments are moral laws written by God Himself. And those morals have not changed.

The law does not save us. JESUS SAVES us so we need to believe in Jesus for salvation. But faith in Jesus does not make the moral laws void.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SabbathBlessing
comment:

Do you understand those "crazy laws" existed at the time of the Flood?? at the beginning?

Our "Creator, the ONE who designed us and made us" has the right and the duty to tell us what to eat and what not to eat.

But, and there is always a but, But WE know better! Just look how good every thing is in our nation and the world right now.

Look at how healthy we are, no one is over weight by 200 lb, no one gets cancer any more.

We have all things under perfect control --right??

No one is talking about WW3 or another great depression, right?

We are a nation of lawlessness-- end of story.
Red Herring fallacy
 
It isn't wrong to eat meat.
God told Noah to eat it after the flood, but God was specific about clean and unclean. People can prove anything to be healthy if they want to... they said smoking was good for your health in the past. It shows that the wisdom of man is foolishness..

I like to follow God's wise council.

He told His special people, His choosen children what was good to eat and what was not good to eat.
He cared about their heath. And today the animals are the same.

People think it no longer applies to us it only applied to the Jewish people. but I find no reason why I can't follow the wise council too. And we are told we are grafted into the tree. We are the children of Israel today by adoption.
I would like to do like you but in my family and extended family that do not follow God, guidance on nutrition making it difficult for me to follow sometimes but i agree that If he gave reasons not to eat this or that he has good reason to do so. you are right to follow Gods words and correct that it applies to gentiles and Jews in fact like you say his choosen ones who do His will.

Blessings.
 
The word is "counsel". I showed you that twice in my post. Apparently you either don't read too well or you are resistant to learning.

As the Moslems say, "Where does Jesus claim to be God?" In other words, you have carefully crafted your questions to exclude the evidence I provided.

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Which part of that don't you understand?


In the beginning, God gave humans plants for food. “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed… and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food” (Genesis 1:29, NKJV). This was the first diet, given in a perfect world.
After the flood, the world was very different. Plants were fewer, the ground was damaged, and people needed more food to survive. That is when God said to Noah, “Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs” (Genesis 9:3, NKJV). This was a permission, not a statement that all food was equally good or holy.
But even before Moses, God already showed that not all animals were the same. Noah was told to take clean animals by sevens and unclean animals by twos (Genesis 7:2). This shows that the difference between clean and unclean existed long before the Law of Moses.
Later, when God formed Israel as a special people, He gave them clear food laws in Leviticus 11. These laws were not random. They were about holiness, health, and separation. God said, “You shall be holy; for I am holy” (Leviticus 11:44, NKJV). The food laws were part of teaching His people to live differently from the nations around them.
Jesus never said that God made a mistake by calling some animals unclean. He Himself said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law” (Matthew 5:17, NKJV). When Jesus spoke about food, He focused on the heart, not on canceling God’s instructions (Matthew 15:18–20). He did not say unclean animals suddenly became clean.
So why did God allow meat at all? Because of human weakness and the fallen world. Just like God later allowed kings and divorce because of hard hearts, some permissions were given because of human need, not because they were the original ideal (Matthew 19:8).
In short, God allowed all animals for survival after the flood, but He still taught that not everything is equally good or holy. Permission is not the same as approval. God’s laws always move His people back toward life, order, and holiness.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TMS
Did you know the ten commandments are part of the Old Covenant that has been superseded by the New Testament?

"The former regulation [Levitical law] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant." (Heb. 7:11, 18a & 22b).

“A new commandment I give you: Love one another as I have loved you.” (John 13:34a)

"God has poured out His love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit he has given us." (Rom. 5:5)

"He who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law/commandments." (Rom. 13:8b)
 
Did you know that the Ten Commandments is not the Levitical law but the Law of God that started before Moses- because its God's Laws and there is no beginning or ending with God. Why His Laws are clearly shown in heaven Rev15:5 Rev11:19

I find it perplexing that so many people relate the Ten Commandments as the law of Moses when the Law itself has nothing to do with Moses, but has everything to do with our relationship with God and one another. God’s name (not Moses) is in each one of these commandments and He takes ownership of them not just in the words itself, but He did not leave His holy and eternal Law to be written by man, God divinely wrote them Himself, not just once but twice. He wrote them in stone for its eternal nature and then He writes His laws in our heart 2Cor3:3 Heb 8:10 The first 4 commandments show how to love God and the last 6 how we love our neighbor. Rom13:9 They cover so much more than people realize Psa 119:96 just as Jesus taught from this same unit Mat 5:19-30

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I personally do not see how Scripture could be clearer about whose Law is the Ten Commandments and Moses the creation and servant of God, is not God the Creator of everything Exo 20:11. Moses own testimony said the Ten Commandments is God’s work not his, so why do so many insist it’s the law of Moses so we no longer need to keep them when there is not one Scripture in context that says this.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.


Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.


The Ten Commandments is what sits under God’s mercy seat Exo 25:21. What He wrote and what He spoke, the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that He promised not to alter Psa 89:34 as it is revealed in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 15:5 Rev 11:18-19. This is God’s authority that no one can change a jot or tittle, as it is what all man will be Judged by James 2:11 Rev 22:15. We have a righteous and loving God, He would not judge us without telling us how He will judge us and He did so in the most awesome way.

It seems many people have followed the traditions of the churches over the commandments of God. Jesus addressed this who is God made flesh and wrote the Ten Commandments…

Jesus never taught us not to keep the Law of God, He taught the opposite.

Mar 7:7 AND IN VAIN THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.'

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God (meaning not for me) , you hold the tradition of men

I believe we are living in the last days before Jesus comes in the clouds. Are there any commandments of God we are laying aside and instead following popular traditions? Breaking God’s law is sin 1 John 3:4 We have time to change our ways today, but we do not know what tomorrow brings.

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but [b]exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TMS
Please show me...

Wait I will show you the scripture.
Please open your heart.

Act 10:14-17
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

This was a vision and Peter did not eat anything.
And even after the Vision peter was still unsure about the meaning.

17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

The meaning is clearly explained in verse 28. God had shown him that he should not call any MAN common or unclean.

Is there any other bible verses to back up your belief that God made unclean FOOD clean.

Peter said he never ate anything uncommon or unclean in Acts and this is about 30 years after the death of Jesus.

Peter was with Jesus when He "so called" made everything clean which was never in the original manuscripts.

Jesus explained to Peter was He was referring to as it was a parable and it was never about food. Why Peter never ate anything unclean 30 years later because He know thats not what Jesus was speaking about.

Mat 15:15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”
 
  • Like
Reactions: TMS
Did you know that the Ten Commandments is not the Levitical law but the Law of God that started before Moses- because its God's Laws and there is no beginning or ending with God. Why His Laws are clearly shown in heaven Rev15:5 Rev11:19

I find it perplexing that so many people relate the Ten Commandments as the law of Moses when the Law itself has nothing to do with Moses, but has everything to do with our relationship with God and one another. God’s name (not Moses) is in each one of these commandments and He takes ownership of them not just in the words itself, but He did not leave His holy and eternal Law to be written by man, God divinely wrote them Himself, not just once but twice. He wrote them in stone for its eternal nature and then He writes His laws in our heart 2Cor3:3 Heb 8:10 The first 4 commandments show how to love God and the last 6 how we love our neighbor. Rom13:9 They cover so much more than people realize Psa 119:96 just as Jesus taught from this same unit Mat 5:19-30

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I personally do not see how Scripture could be clearer about whose Law is the Ten Commandments and Moses the creation and servant of God, is not God the Creator of everything Exo 20:11. Moses own testimony said the Ten Commandments is God’s work not his, so why do so many insist it’s the law of Moses so we no longer need to keep them when there is not one Scripture in context that says this.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.


Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.


The Ten Commandments is what sits under God’s mercy seat Exo 25:21. What He wrote and what He spoke, the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that He promised not to alter Psa 89:34 as it is revealed in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 15:5 Rev 11:18-19. This is God’s authority that no one can change a jot or tittle, as it is what all man will be Judged by James 2:11 Rev 22:15. We have a righteous and loving God, He would not judge us without telling us how He will judge us and He did so in the most awesome way.

It seems many people have followed the traditions of the churches over the commandments of God. Jesus addressed this who is God made flesh and wrote the Ten Commandments…

Jesus never taught us not to keep the Law of God, He taught the opposite.

Mar 7:7 AND IN VAIN THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.'

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God (meaning not for me) , you hold the tradition of men

I believe we are living in the last days before Jesus comes in the clouds. Are there any commandments of God we are laying aside and instead following popular traditions? Breaking God’s law is sin 1 John 3:4 We have time to change our ways today, but we do not know what tomorrow brings.

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but [b]exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Re "why do so many insist it’s the law of Moses so we no longer need to keep them when there is not one Scripture in context that says this": I personally do not see how Scripture could be clearer about GRFS per Rom. 3:21-5:1, Heb. 7:11-10:1, John 3:16, 13:34-35, Matt. 22:37-40, etc.

Beware of being a Judaizer, who perverts the Gospel by reverting to salvation via works/obeying OT laws (Gal. 1:9).
 
This is hilarious. Peter called the law an unbearable yoke.

comment;

What law is unbearable?? God's law or the Traditions of men Christ accused the Pharisees of putting ahead of God's Holy Law.

My Bible is 1500 pages all promoting the Torah except the letters of Paul which are easily twisted and a few scriptures by Peter.

This will not change until Christ has returned to Rule with the Rod of Iron.
 
Re "why do so many insist it’s the law of Moses so we no longer need to keep them when there is not one Scripture in context that says this": I personally do not see how Scripture could be clearer about GRFS per Rom. 3:21-5:1, Heb. 7:11-10:1, John 3:16, 13:34-35, Matt. 22:37-40, etc.

Beware of being a Judaizer, who perverts the Gospel by reverting to salvation via works/obeying OT laws (Gal. 1:9).

Not one of those verses say we do not need to keep the commandments of God. There is more than one law in Scriptures.

Jesus came to put an end to one law, which was in the law of Moses

Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a [a]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

And magnify another law- His that not a jot or tittle can pass because no man is above God.

Isa 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Which means make greater and we see Him exactly doing this with the Ten Commandments. Relating thoughts of anger with the commandment to thou shalt not murder and thoughts of lust with thou shalt not commit adultery only found in the Ten Commandments. Not only did Jesus teach us not to break the least of these commandments, He does not want us to have thoughts that lead up to breaking them as it is sin and one will be subject to judgement. Mat5:19-30
 
  • Like
Reactions: TMS
Re "why do so many insist it’s the law of Moses so we no longer need to keep them when there is not one Scripture in context that says this": I personally do not see how Scripture could be clearer about GRFS per Rom. 3:21-5:1, Heb. 7:11-10:1, John 3:16, 13:34-35, Matt. 22:37-40, etc.

Beware of being a Judaizer, who perverts the Gospel by reverting to salvation via works/obeying OT laws (Gal. 1:9).
Jesus tells us to keep his commandments, the ten commandments. that is the core of the Gospel, repentance from sin and to follow him do you contest this?