The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[TMS]

That was in a world that was not fallen. We don't live there anymore. I have no doubt that both human DNA and plant matter were damaged by the Fall.


I'm not getting sidetracked, and God's wise counsel to Noah was to to eat "everything that lives and moves" as well as plant parts (Genesis 9:3).


The whole counsel of God is perfect. Taking bits and pieces of it out of context while enjoining your faulty interpretations on others, is not wise.

Show in the bible that it tells us it is good to eat unclean meat?
ACTS 10 is a vision and explained in verse28.
Where is the wise council from God to eat unclean animals?

 

[TMS]

That is a striking contrast to the Advocate Whom we now have in Christ. His blood satisfies the judgment which that witness against us demands. We're either standing for the defense of that blood (which as much upholds that judgment while also offering eternal life by the merit not of our own but the Lamb who shed it) or for the defense of that judgment.

The witness against the people was the book put in the side of the ark. Which was not the 10 commandments..

But hopefully you can see the way it works.

The law of liberty will judge us.

We are all found guilty ....

The blood of Jesus covers us.

We can stand guilt free by the blood of Jesus..

The law has not changed or been removed.

If there is no law we have no need of the blood of Jesus. We are guilty because the law is still in place. The law has not changed or been removed. We have been given righteousnes by the blood of Jesus,

By faith in this blood we are saved.

But do we make void the law by faith?
NO

THE LAW STANDS UNCHANGED.

No law = no need for the blood of Jesus.

 

[Mem]

No law = no need for the blood of Jesus.

The law of identity, A=A of that equation is
Need for the blood of Jesus = Law

How does that equation look when the need is met?

 

[NightTwister]

Show in the bible that it tells us it is good to eat unclean meat?
ACTS 10 is a vision and explained in verse28.
Where is the wise council from God to eat unclean animals?

You continue to miss the point. The meat is no longer unclean.

 

[TMS]

The Israelites were bound to their oath, "All that God says, we will do!" by the sprinkling of blood. By this law you will live or die. Jesus' blood speaks greater promises.

The blood of Jesus has real power to cleanse and remove sin.

The blood of lambs and goats could not fix the sin problem but was a shadow, schoolmaster to point them to the coming Messiah.

How were people in the ot times save?

The old covenant was faulty because people tried to save themselves rather then trust in God's ability to save.

But even in the Old Testament there were faithful people that trusted in God.

By faith in the promised Messiah they were saved.

Today we are saved the same way. We have faith in the Messiah that has come.

Faith is what saves every person that lives. Old or new Testament.

The law of God has not changed. If the law could have been changed then Christ would not have needed to die.

Remove the law and we no longer need the blood of Jesus because sin is no longer an issue.

 

[TMS]

i am afraid you are correct and I myself have diminish eating it quite a lot, but I cant resist beacon... as for veggies only not bad but we need also a small quantity of meat on occasion, some amino acids can be found only in meat and not anywhere else of not in sufficient quantity. the problem is we eat too much meat.

It isn't wrong to eat meat.
God told Noah to eat it after the flood, but God was specific about clean and unclean. People can prove anything to be healthy if they want to... they said smoking was good for your health in the past. It shows that the wisdom of man is foolishness..

I like to follow God's wise council.

He told His special people, His choosen children what was good to eat and what was not good to eat.
He cared about their heath. And today the animals are the same.

People think it no longer applies to us it only applied to the Jewish people. but I find no reason why I can't follow the wise council too. And we are told we are grafted into the tree. We are the children of Israel today by adoption.

 

[TMS]

You continue to miss the point. The meat is no longer unclean.

Maybe your missing the point..
I'm not talking about spiritual uncleanness.
I'm talking about physical unclean

If a pig was created with a digestion that reobsorbs its toxins (urine), back into the flesh instead of excreting it. It was an unclean flesh to eat in the days of Moses, so how has it stopped being an unclean flesh today?

 

[NightTwister]

Maybe your missing the point..
I'm not talking about spiritual uncleanness.
I'm talking about physical unclean

If a pig was created with a digestion that reobsorbs its toxins (urine), back into the flesh instead of excreting it. It was an unclean flesh to eat in the days of Moses, so how has it stopped being an unclean flesh today?

I'm talking about physical. It stopped being unclean because scripture says so.

 

[TMS]

All that you can see is the letter. The letter kills, but the spirit brings life

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Jas 2:21-22
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

 

[Dino246]

Show in the bible that it tells us it is good to eat unclean meat?
ACTS 10 is a vision and explained in verse28.
Where is the wise council from God to eat unclean animals?

The word is "counsel". I showed you that twice in my post. Apparently you either don't read too well or you are resistant to learning.

As the Moslems say, "Where does Jesus claim to be God?" In other words, you have carefully crafted your questions to exclude the evidence I provided.

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Which part of that don't you understand?

 

[TMS]

I'm talking about physical. It stopped being unclean because scripture says so.

If you want to believe the symbolic vision was literal you can eat the unclean animals. Your choice.

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

 

[Dino246]

The witness against the people was the book put in the side of the ark. Which was not the 10 commandments..

The law has not changed or been removed.
...
THE LAW STANDS UNCHANGED.

Scripture, the word of God, says the law HAS been changed, so you stand in opposition to God.

Hebrews 7: 11-12 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

Further:

Hebrews 8:3-7

3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he [Jesus] were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”[a] 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

The old covenant could not make sinful people righteous. The new covenant does.

v. 13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

The message is clear: Christians are NOT under the old covenant (the ten commandments, the law given at Sinai).

 

[TMS]

The word is "counsel". I showed you that twice in my post. Apparently you either don't read too well or you are resistant to learning.

As the Moslems say, "Where does Jesus claim to be God?" In other words, you have carefully crafted your questions to exclude the evidence I provided.

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Which part of that don't you understand?

After this God defined the clean and unclean again in detail to Moses. Lev 11...
Lev 11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

 

[Dino246]

After this God defined the clean and unclean again in detail ...

To ancient Israel. I'm not part of ancient Israel. Neither are you.

 

[TMS]

Scripture, the word of God, says the law HAS been changed, so you stand in opposition to God.

Hebrews 7: 11-12 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

Further:

Hebrews 8:3-7

3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he [Jesus] were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”[a] 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

The old covenant could not make sinful people righteous. The new covenant does.

v. 13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

The message is clear: Christians are NOT under the old covenant (the ten commandments, the law given at Sinai).

And I showed in great detail that the law of Moses is not the same as the moral of God. Nothing in the 10 commandments talks about priests

 

[Dino246]

And I showed in great detail that the law of Moses is not the same as the moral of God. Nothing in the 10 commandments talks about priests

And as I have said, Scripture both distinguishes and conflates them.

You have dodged the main point of my post. The law HAS been changed. Do you acknowledge this?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

If you want to believe the symbolic vision was literal you can eat the unclean animals. Your choice.

You're mixing natural with spiritual. Jesus said nothing a person eats can defile him spiritually

There is nothing from outside of man entering into him which is able to make him unclean; but the things going forth from him, those are the things making the man unclean . Mark 7:15​

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Paul used the same word that Peter used in Acts 10 to describe unclean critters, ie, profane

I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is profane of itself; except to the one considering anything to be profane, to that one it is profane. Romans 14:14​

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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

And I showed in great detail that the law of Moses is not the same as the moral of God. Nothing in the 10 commandments talks about priests

Nothing in the 10 commandments talks about food

 

[Inquisitor]

And I showed in great detail that the law of Moses is not the same as the moral of God. Nothing in the 10 commandments talks about priests

Nothing in the ten commandments talks about Jesus.

The ten commandments are not the words of life.

You were commanded to believe in Jesus.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.
We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us.

Is that believing in Jesus a commandment or not?

 

[Inquisitor]

And I showed in great detail that the law of Moses is not the same as the moral of God. Nothing in the 10 commandments talks about priests

Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

Are the ten commandments included in the law and the prophets?

Are the ten commandments included in the Old Testament, the Old Covenant?