Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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So you are saying that Calvinists have the attention span of a 6-year-old?
Absolutely agree in consideration of the content and quality of their posts.
Typically soundbites, incoherent rambling, or one verse disasters.
If you can't sit down and absorb an hour or two worth of lectures, you are never going to truly understand the Bible.
BillyBob ... since Rufus is the one who can't keep the discussion straight ... don't know why you're complaining to me ... Just saying. . .
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WhoaHHHH!?
God does not choose for salvation.
God knows for salvation.
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms
with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be
holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ,
in accordance with his pleasure and will— Ephesians 1:2-5
We were not chosen for salvation....
Rather....
God chose where our salvation would land us when He knew when in history we would chose to believe.
God could have predestined you to be alive with Moses in the wilderness.
At that time, you would have believed because you want to believe in God.
But, you would not have ended up being a part of the Bride of Christ when you did.
For that is what God chose us for.
God chose a Bride for His Son.
grace and peace ...........
"God chose where our salvation would land us"
In the heavenlies. Also how and with Whom.
Every time predestined is used it only speaks to the future realization of the plan of God that He formulated before the foundation of the world, including the future realization of our eternal blessings. Never ever speaks to pre-birth salvation.
Salvation must first be offered and then received in real time. Temporal time our time.
Only after He is received, does predestination kick in.
Planned prepared future destination = predestined.
For he *****chose (ELECTED VERB) us in him before the creation of the world**** (a.k.a. the plan):
to be (yet future)
1)holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for
2) adoption to sonship
through Jesus Christ,
in accordance with his pleasure and will—
And three or four other ******THINGS****** That are part and parcel of this exceptional privilege.
Which I ever already elaborated in an earlier post that I will repost later.
And if you did not notice:
God saves via covenant. Into which you must first enter.
God's plan of salvation has nothing whatsoever to do with idiotic vain pseudo philosophy.
Revelation 13:8
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written
in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world.
Did Jesus have to be offered the Cross in time before He could become our atonement? No.
I wonder what it is you are wishing to establish concerning salvation?
God knew you would believe.
Right?
But you did not believe until after being presented the Gospel.
That doers not mean we are always believing before we believed in time.
I think that is the kind of distortion some here are thinking with.
No. God is outside of time and knows all things all the time at all times.
But God knowing does NOT invalid our responsibility to make a DECISION to ACCEPT what is OFFERED, that being the covenant.
This Calvinist nonsense about man not being personally responsible to eat the Passover, cross the Jordan, enter the Door nor say I DO to the marriage covenant is heretical garbage.
BTW, it is the Lamb is eternal and outside of time. Not us.
Don't confuse His unique status with ours. We are temporal. We have a beginning.
I hear your cry for help, but it's better to face your issues than to hide away from them, it's better to love people than to hate them, because when your not liked, God would love you, but if you grow hatred towards people and cause people to not be liked for no good reason, who's life is worth more than many sparrows, your stepping into sacred territory, and your battle will be With God not me.
Nearly Every post you make at me has an accusation, you need to ignore yourself, and not ask to be ignored, you need help to face your inner bitterness you have, and you need to grow up
I take it you can understand your forcing your will and understanding by criticizing people with almost every post you make.
Fyi nearly every post you make shows your understanding of God you have, then it forces it's understanding by criticising people with your understanding,
Fyi that's free will, but it's not the lords free will, it's your own, and it's highly disrespectful, it's incredible you don't include none of these things you mention can be done with God, and make it out it can be done all alone l.
Jesus holds the key to opening the doors he can open them and close them, which you where shown yesterday in revelation 3:7-8 and you've took no notice, and now your closing the doors on people yet again whilst making out it's us lot who are, your arguments are very childish.
Revelation 3:7–8
7“These are the words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, who shuts and no one opens: 8“I know your works. Look, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut. I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.
in case you've not noticed Jesus says the door is open for those who have kept his word
Which means the word of God was planted in them.
Which means nothing can be done without his word in them.
Which means God makes a person believe
still stuck on irresistible grace being a reason to justify bashing people over the head. Yep lashing out again