Should the church preach the gospel?

[DallasMan]

You don't even bother to ask believers in the OSAS camp exactly what they teach.

I've listened to many of the heroes of your heretical movement and they plainly say what so called eternal security believes.

It makes it easy to compare what your movement teaches with what the Lord teaches and your movement is in opposition to the whole counsel of God which is why the clown show you are a part of has to resort to cherry picking claiming some things the Lord says in His Word are lies.

No need to ask you because the clown show you are a part of puts their lies out there for all to be deceived by

 

[BillG]

I've listened to many of the heroes of your heretical movement and they plainly say what so called eternal security believes.

It makes it easy to compare what your movement teaches with what the Lord teaches and your movement is in opposition to the whole counsel of God which is why the clown show you are a part of has to resort to cherry picking claiming some things the Lord says in His Word are lies.

No need to ask you because the clown show you are a part of puts their lies out there for all to be deceived by

Name the so called heroes who preach it ok to use grace as a licence to sin.
To sin all we want and be saved.

I would like to read/listen to it.

 

[BillG]

Anyone on here believe it's ok to sin all you want still be saved?

 

[BillG]

What about those who say you are not saved in the name of Jesus only or don't speak in tongues?

Are they trolls as well as they teach heresy?

And?

 

[DallasMan]

Name the so called heroes who preach it ok to use grace as a licence to sin.
To sin all we want and be saved.

I would like to read/listen to it.

Charles Stanley was considered to be the leading authority in eternal security teaching.

He taught a person could be gay and still go to Heaven.

So the clown show you are a part of is gay friendly. That's perverted!


In his book, Eternal Security, Stanley says

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)

“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).

“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)

He actually taught one can be a "gay christian" and still go to Heaven proving he is a false teacher!

Here's a video where you can see video of Charlies saying this (just a few minutes into the video)

Can a Person Live a Life of Sin and Remain Saved?

Once Saved, Always Saved?
Video that addresses false claims made by Charles Stanley

 

[DallasMan]

Charles Stanley and other heretics teaching once saved always saved heresy aside

God's Word teaches it is possible to lose salvation and telling people it's not possible to lose salvation is causing others to stumble leading others to believe they can actually live in sin and it's all good they will still go to Heaven.

That's heresy.

 

[mailmandan]

Even if you don't believe in living in sin and are not doing so in your own life, it is causing others to stumble when you proudly and arrogantly proclaim "it's not possible to lose salvation"

Spreading this heresy is causing others to stumble and it's not biblical because God's Word teaches it is possible to lose salvation not matter how you people try to explain it away.

I'm not the one who is proudly and arrogantly judging and condemning people to hell based on slander. Your anti-OSAS derangement syndrome is very disturbing.

 

[BillG]

So the clown show you are a part of is gay friendly. That's perverted!

Who you accusing of that?

Did he say they gay people were having sex?

 

[DallasMan]

I'm not the one who is proudly and arrogantly judging and condemning people to hell based on slander. Your anti-OSAS derangement syndrome is very disturbing.

It'll be nice to not hear from heretics such as yourself who don't accept all of what God says anymore.

Glad to hear you are done! Won't be seein ya

 

[BillG]

Even if you don't believe in living in sin and are not doing so in your own life, it is causing others to stumble when you proudly and arrogantly proclaim "it's not possible to lose salvation"

Spreading this heresy is causing others to stumble and it's not biblical because God's Word teaches it is possible to lose salvation not matter how you people try to explain it away.

Absolute rubbish.
Now you agree @mailmandan does not agree that OSAS is not a licence to sin yet you still accuse him of believing OSAS is causing people to sin.

Where do you get off?
He does not spread the heresy and you know that.

 

[DallasMan]

Absolute rubbish.

Yeah, that's what the devil says - leading others astray is good to those following doctrines of demons

He does not spread the heresy and you know that.

He teaches that it's not possible to lose salvation.

That's heresy and not biblical

 

[mailmandan]

It'll be nice to not hear from heretics such as yourself who don't accept all of what God says anymore.

Glad to hear you are done! Won't be seein ya

You are not fooling me for one second. How many different accounts and different avatar names do you have now? Your true colors are obvious.

 

[DallasMan]

Was David saved?

After he repented and stopping living in sin

If so would God treat you like he did with Adam & Eve, or Peter or Thomas and many others in tg Bible?

If a person does not confess and forsake their sin - they won't spend eternity with the Lord

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Hebrews 10:28-31
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[Blue155]

After he repented and stopping living in sin





If a person does not confess and forsake their sin - they won't spend eternity with the Lord

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Hebrews 10:28-31
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hard to argue with scripture. Good job. A lot of folks believe you can live life as you please and still be saved. To get out of realizing their doctrine is false, people will say “They were never saved in the first place.”

However, that argument alone (whether they realize or not) hinges upon living a life that doesn’t abandon God in a life of sin, or else they’d be considered “never saved in the first place”, which means their salvation is conditional upon a lifestyle of glorifying and living godly. Otherwise, they’d not say “never saved”, when confronted with someone living in sin.

 

[mailmandan]

Absolute rubbish.
Now you agree @mailmandan does not agree that OSAS is not a licence to sin yet you still accuse him of believing OSAS is causing people to sin.

Where do you get off?
He does not spread the heresy and you know that.

Rubbish indeed and I really don't understand how someone could get off on being a false accuser of the brethren like that.

OSAS only becomes heresy when you attach "a license to sin/license for immorality" to it (which I absolutely do not!) Just as NOSAS becomes heresy when you attach "salvation by works/works-righteousness" to it yet I don't go around falsely accusing EVERYONE in the NOSAS camp of promoting salvation by works/works-righteousness. That would make me a false accuser of the brethren.

Slander is one of those sins that false accusers of the brethren need to confess and forsake. (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 1:9)

 

[DallasMan]

Otherwise, they’d not say “never saved”, when confronted with someone living in sin.

Yeah that's their favorite thing to say when someone is caught in sin, claiming the person was never saved to start with.

Some of these people have had numerous big time preachers get caught in sin and before their sin found them out and was made public these people would claim these were great ministers of the gospel, called and anointed of the Lord, etc, etc.

And then once they got caught in sin, these people turn around and claim they were never saved even though they themselves were following these preachers and telling everyone how wonderful they are

So they really don't believe this garbage, they just say anything to try and protect their precious OSAS heresy

 

[BillyBob]

Should the local church preach the gospel to its congregation? The gospel of Jesus Christ is how he died for our sins, was buried, and rose again on the third day. Shouldn't those in the local assembly already have this checked off? Isn't church about equipping the saints through the preaching of the word to walk as children of light? When people hear the same message over and over, they do not mature in their faith but remain babes in Christ.

Thoughts??

The local church must continue to bring God's word to the public, whether they be Christian or not!
The sad fact is that all people need to hear the word of God. We are very forgetful, and in need of constant reminding. . . .
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

The honest truth is that the message being taught, even though we may have heard it 100 times before, may be exactly what we need to hear again. If not ourselves, perhaps the person sitting right next to us!

 

[Blue155]

Yeah that's their favorite thing to say when someone is caught in sin, claiming the person was never saved to start with.

Some of these people have had numerous big time preachers get caught in sin and before their sin found them out and was made public these people would claim these were great ministers of the gospel, called and anointed of the Lord, etc, etc.

And then once they got caught in sin, these people turn around and claim they were never saved even though they themselves were following these preachers and telling everyone how wonderful they are

So they really don't believe this garbage, they just say anything to try and protect their precious OSAS heresy

Yes. And with that kind of mindset, they don’t know who is saved. The person who they admired and was mentored by—who they considered to be a fine, fine Christian—was actually (according to their view)—never a Christian.

 

[DallasMan]

Yes. And with that kind of mindset, they don’t know who is saved. The person who they admired and was mentored by—who they considered to be a fine, fine Christian—was actually (according to their view)—never a Christian.

Yep, this leads to their ongoing confusion

 

[BillyBob]

You are not fooling me for one second. How many different accounts and different avatar names do you have now? Your true colors are obvious.

I once told "Dallasman" that the last good thing to come out of Dallas was Tom Landry. It went right over his head. He never considered that it included him as well!