FOUNDATION, the 12 apostles or Pauls?

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Ouch said:
I'll respond to both, ok. lets keep it simple.

I noticed you didn't tell me if you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed!!!!! THAT'S NOT GOOD.

I'm just in the seed bossiness, sharing HIS word.

It's real easy to read and understand.

You can say anything you like, it doesn't make it true.

PROVE HIS WORD WRONG!!!

If I am around when JESUS returns, and with HIS permission I will get cut him and get some of HIS flesh and blood.

I would like to plant a seed from HIS word it don't look like you believe GODS WORD?

Which make me think of John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
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First of all I don't need to tell you anything.

Second, so you don't believe Jesus when he says, "whoever feeds upon my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day". This the finest example of a protestant ignoring what's clearly written. You aren't mocking me funny man
 
Nedsk said:
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Same refrain now tell me how you know your understanding is the indwelling of the Holy Ghost"? Be specific how you that's what it is other than I believe it.
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I believe what God has revealed in His Word. I'm curious, since you believe Sola scriptura is an evil perversion, how do you determine whether you have received the indwelling of the Holy Ghost?
 
Wansvic said:
I believe what God has revealed in His Word. I'm curious, since you believe Sola scriptura is an evil perversion, how do you determine whether you have received the indwelling of the Holy Ghost?
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I already asked you a question that you didn't answer. Maybe you should answer that first before asking me a question. You claimed to have the indwelling of the Holy Ghost and I asked you know you know for sure you do.

As to sola scriptura you need to show evidence that it's in Scripture. Please don't come back with 2 Timothy 3:16 that doesn't say anything about Scripture alone
 
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Nedsk said:
Please don't come back with 2 Timothy 3:16 that doesn't say anything about Scripture alone
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"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."

Right. The inter-dependence of believers is often missed: from Jesus and His disciples, to Paul and his "sons" and Peter and John and their spiritual children. Even in the passage above, you have Paul instructing Timothy. Someone is always the instructor another is always the student. Paul's calling was the outlier, but even then he was instructed for many years before being released by the Holy Spirit as an apostle.

BTW: I'm not a Protestant but I'm not a Roman Catholic either.
 
Aaron56 said:
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."

Right. The inter-dependence of believers is often missed: from Jesus and His disciples, to Paul and his "sons" and Peter and John and their spiritual children. Even in the passage above, you have Paul instructing Timothy. Someone is always the instructor another is always the student. Paul's calling was the outlier, but even then he was instructed for many years before being released by the Holy Spirit as an apostle.

BTW: I'm not a Protestant but I'm not a Roman Catholic either.
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It says profitable not only.

BTW: I couldnt care less. This is about what Scripture actually says not what we want it to say.
 
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Ouch said:
FOUNDATION, the 12 apostles or Pauls?
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Jesus continued His teaching ministry thru the Holy Spirit leading the New Testament writer what to write.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it

Then there are those claiming Jesus is a liar or otherwise doesn't know what He's talking about :rolleyes:

Mark those people because they are causing division between the Lord and themselves and those that follow their heretical teachings
 
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Komentaja said:
Probably. hoever believes and is baptized shall be saved as it says in Mark 16:16. When I came to the faith I read that verse and got baptized after reading it, as simple as that. Childlike faith.
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As stated in John 3:16 For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son that whosever believeth in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.. No mention of baptism to be saved. Now let me point you to the thief on the cross. He simply believed and was granted eternity in paradise by Christ. Baptism is an outward showing of your belief and salvation. It is not a requirement for salvation You were saved when you expressed your faith in Christ and by God's grace you were granted salvation.
 
Jim62 said:
As stated in John 3:16 For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son that whosever believeth in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.. No mention of baptism to be saved. Now let me point you to the thief on the cross. He simply believed and was granted eternity in paradise by Christ. Baptism is an outward showing of your belief and salvation. It is not a requirement for salvation You were saved when you expressed your faith in Christ and by God's grace you were granted salvation.
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Why is a "outward sign" needed? God doesnt know your faith? And your conclusion that because one passage in Scripture doesn't mention baptism, that means it isn't necessary doesn't make much sense because elsewhere in Scripture it does. 1 Peter 3:21 This water prefigured baptism which now saves you.
 
lrs68 said:
OL dude thinks just taking Communion is Salvation
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The catholics believe that



Nedsk said:
Why is a "outward sign" needed? God doesnt know your faith?
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If one is walking in the faith that brings salvation, the results are changes from the inside out.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world
 
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DallasMan said:
The catholics believe that





If one is walking in the faith that brings salvation, the results are changes from the inside out.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world
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You didn't answer the question. Why is in outward sign needed?
 
Ouch said:
Do we jump over the book of Acts because it's a transitional book as so so many claim, ignoring it and go right to Paul’s letters? Or, accept the book of Acts because it is the FOUNDATION and not a transitional book?
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No, we learn from their mistakes as well as the things they got right. One thing I loved about scripture, even before becoming a Christian, is it never whitewashed events or left out the things people did wrong.

Peter also preached salvation by grace through faith, it just took him a little longer to realise.

Acts 11:16-17 (on recounting his experience with Cornelius)
16 Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?”

Acts 15:7-11 (on the dispute that arose over keeping the Law for the Gentiles)
7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
 
Nedsk said:
Glad we agree that unless we recognize Jesus presence is that food and drink we bring judgment on ourselves.
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I understand what you're saying and I believe there's more involved which is why it's vital to anyone claiming to follow God.
 
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