FOUNDATION, the 12 apostles or Pauls?

[memberofthebride]

Question for every one

Every one on this blog knows Paul's letters are easily twisted, which brings a question to my mind.

In Which direction can what Paul wrote be twisted,,
toward Christ or away from Christ,
away from the Law taught by Christ or to the law taught by Christ?

We all know the answer to that question.

Paul said to follow him AS HE follows Christ, if Paul is teaching the Law is a curse or the Law is only for the Jews, Is he then following Christ?

There are many ways the teachings of Jesus Christ, Our Passover, our ONLY Passover, can be negated.
one way is by the use of "dispensations", of course by Paul and there are many others.

I have chosen to follow Jesus Christ, and not lawlessness

2 Timothy 2
5 And if a man also strive for masteries, [yet] is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

Salvation i.e. eternal life comes to the Lawful. unless you believe God the Father love sin.

 

[memberofthebride]

Interesting comment expecially considering the unbibilical beliefs instituted throughout the years by those practicing Catholicism.

plus the fact Rome wrote a new bible, one that matches their lies.

 

[PennEd]

The idea that somehow Jesus and Paul are at odds with each other, and therefore attempting to divide the brethren, by some members is revolting.

Paul’s WORDS and doctrines ARE Jesus’s Words and doctrine.

Paul received them by divine revelation.

Brothers and sisters in Christ, don’t let their deceitful words bother you.

 

[Nedsk]

Interesting comment expecially considering the unbibilical beliefs instituted throughout the years by those practicing Catholicism.

Sola scriptura and sola fide are evil perversions that have sent millions to hell. Protestants ignore the word of God as much.as atheists

 

[Ouch]

Baptismal regeneration which is the belief that regeneration does not occur until a person is water baptized, which also makes water baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. A person MUST be water baptized using the formula "in Jesus' name" ONLY or else you won't be saved/baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is an invalid baptism formula and if used during your baptism you won't be saved. Water baptism MUST be followed by being filled with the Holy Spirit evidenced by speaking in tongues or else you won't be saved.

Since HIS word says baptism in JESUS name is how we get rid of our sins, WHY WOULD YOU THINK anything different?

What is false teaching about what HIS word clearly says?

Can we agree that Paul was speaking to established church's?

 

[Wansvic]

The idea that somehow Jesus and Paul are at odds with each other, and therefore attempting to divide the brethren, by some members is revolting.

Paul’s WORDS and doctrines ARE Jesus’s Words and doctrine.

Paul received them by divine revelation.

Brothers and sisters in Christ, don’t let their deceitful words bother you.

Clearly, the OP is pointing out that many are in error regarding the idea that Paul preached a different gospel message then the 12 apostles of Jesus.

The main point is Paul's epistles do not change what Acts reveals is necessary for everyone to be born again. Paul's letters provide explanation concerning biblical concepts such as baptism, etc. As well as encouragement and direction pertaining to behavior that God expects of newly born again believers.

Many refuse to accept that what the Book of Acts reveals is applicable to all those living in the NT. Peter presented the gospel at Pentecost, at the direction of Jesus who gave Peter the keys to the kingdom, and instructed him to feed my lambs, feed my sheep, and again feed by sheep. Jesus words reveal that the keyS given were applicable to Jews, Gentiles as well as half-Jew and half-Gentile; individuals such as the Samaritans. (hint, hint, clue, clue=lambs, sheep, sheep)

All regardless of nationality are required to believe in Jesus, be water baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of sins and receive the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost. Scripture reveals and confirms this. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-18, 10:43-48) Paul understood this as his interaction with Ananias reveals. (Acts 9, 22:16) Note that God's instruction was that Paul was to tell others everything he had seen and heard. And that included belief in Jesus, water baptism in the name of Jesus to wash away his sins and receiving the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.

Also relevant to the topic, Paul's instructions paralleled Peter's some 20+ years after Pentecost. I find it no coincidence that 12 apostles began preaching the same gospel message. and the last recorded conversion account involves 12 men hearing and obeying the same message. The 12 undoubtedly continued sharing the same requirements Paul revealed, as Acts 19:10 states Jews and Gentiles heard the message as Paul remained in the area for 2-3 years.

 

[Ouch]

Protestants have perverted the Bible to fit their twisted "gospel". They deny things that are actually in the Bible and believe things not found in the Bible.

Since I just shared HIS word should tell you I agree with it, and since I didn't say anything that wasn't HIS word proves I didn't share anything that was not in it.

So you agree with the scripture I shared or is it perverted?

If so all of it? or parts?

If any of it is, how can we tell?

Are you going to be the one to ask?

 

[Wansvic]

The idea that somehow Jesus and Paul are at odds with each other, and therefore attempting to divide the brethren, by some members is revolting.

Paul’s WORDS and doctrines ARE Jesus’s Words and doctrine.

Paul received them by divine revelation.

Brothers and sisters in Christ, don’t let their deceitful words bother you.

You distort what is being discussed.

 

[Ouch]

The idea that somehow Jesus and Paul are at odds with each other, and therefore attempting to divide the brethren, by some members is revolting.

Paul’s WORDS and doctrines ARE Jesus’s Words and doctrine.

Paul received them by divine revelation.

Brothers and sisters in Christ, don’t let their deceitful words bother you.

Who is saying that JESUS and Paul were divided????

Who is being deceitful with their words?

 

[Nedsk]

Since I just shared HIS word should tell you I agree with it, and since I didn't say anything that wasn't HIS word proves I didn't share anything that was not in it.

So you agree with the scripture I shared or is it perverted?

If so all of it? or parts?

If any of it is, how can we tell?

Are you going to be the one to ask?

Are you a protestant?

 

[Ouch]

It makes a huge difference. False teachings about baptism culminate in salvation by works and we are saved by grace through faith, not works. (Romans 4:5-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) Works salvation is no salvation at all. It's not about nitpicking. It's about preaching the correct gospel message. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) I can't name one Christian I know who received Jesus Christ through faith then afterwards ended up getting discouraged from being water baptized. I have witnessed numerous baptisms over the years.

You do understand that the whole purpose of this thread was to PROVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF DOUBT THAT PAUL'S LETTERS WERE TO CHURCH'S RIGHT????

It sure don't look like you understand because you're using LETTERS TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SAVED AS YOUR FOUNDATION...

Meaning you have none, maybe you should look at the first post again.

 

[Nedsk]

Who is saying that JESUS and Paul were divided????

Who is being deceitful with their words?

Jesus says unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life within you. He continues my flesh is rela food and my blood is real drink. Paul reiterates a person that eats and drinks without discerning the body of the Lord is eating and drinking judgment in himself.

Do you believe them?

 

[Ouch]

Are you a protestant?

I'm a reborn Gentil, JESUS don't care about skin color, gender, good or bad he looks at Hearts and those willing to follow HIM.

If you have a problem with HIS word are you the one to correct it?

Or should I look for another?

Or just trust HIS word to be true?

Who are you to tell me HIS word is not correct???

 

[Wansvic]

Sola scriptura and sola fide are evil perversions that have sent millions to hell. Protestants ignore the word of God as much.as atheists

We all have choices to make. And I accept what Jesus says; the word will be the final judge. I rely upon it and the leading of the indwelling Holy Ghost not a flawed human being for guidance.

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day". John 12:48

:Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13

 

[Nedsk]

plus the fact Rome wrote a new bible, one that matches their lies.

When exactly did that occur, Mr KJV 1604?

 

[Ouch]

Jesus says unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life within you. He continues my flesh is rela food and my blood is real drink. Paul reiterates a person that eats and drinks without discerning the body of the Lord is eating and drinking judgment in himself.

Do you believe them?

What does that have to do with this post?

I believe ALL of HIS word.

I don't know you, so I ask you have you received the Holy Ghost since you have have believed?

Do you follow Paul's lead in Acts 19?

 

[Nedsk]

I'm a reborn Gentil, JESUS don't care about skin color, gender, good or bad he looks at Hearts and those willing to follow HIM.

If you have a problem with HIS word are you the one to correct it?

Or should I look for another?

Or just trust HIS word to be true?

Who are you to tell me HIS word is not correct???

Who are you tell me your understanding of Scripture is authoritative? All I said was protestansts pervert the Bible which is a fact. I said they also believe things that aren't in the Bible. That's a fact.

We all have choices to make. And I accept what Jesus says; the word will be the final judge. I rely upon it and the leading of the indwelling Holy Ghost not a flawed human being for guidance.

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day". John 12:48

:Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13

Same refrain now tell me how you know your understanding is the indwelling of the Holy Ghost"? Be specific how you that's what it is other than I believe it.

 

[Nedsk]

What does that have to do with this post?

I believe ALL of HIS word.

I don't know you, so I ask you have you received the Holy Ghost since you have have believed?

Do you follow Paul's lead in Acts 19?

If you believe ALL of HIS word then you believe we must eat HIS flesh and drink HIS .blood to have eternal life and if we don't we bring judgement in ourselves

 

[memberofthebride]

The idea that somehow Jesus and Paul are at odds with each other, and therefore attempting to divide the brethren, by some members is revolting.

Paul’s WORDS and doctrines ARE Jesus’s Words and doctrine.

Paul received them by divine revelation.

Brothers and sisters in Christ, don’t let their deceitful words bother you.

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So you are saying that keeping the commandments as Christ taught is what Paul taught?

Why then are most on this site saying otherwise?

 

[Ouch]

If you believe ALL of HIS word then you believe we must eat HIS flesh and drink HIS .blood to have eternal life and if we don't we bring judgement in ourselves

I'll respond to both, ok. lets keep it simple.

I noticed you didn't tell me if you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed!!!!! THAT'S NOT GOOD.

I'm just in the seed bossiness, sharing HIS word.

It's real easy to read and understand.

You can say anything you like, it doesn't make it true.

PROVE HIS WORD WRONG!!!

If I am around when JESUS returns, and with HIS permission I will get cut him and get some of HIS flesh and blood.

I would like to plant a seed from HIS word it don't look like you believe GODS WORD?

Which make me think of John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.