FOUNDATION, the 12 apostles or Pauls?
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One would think so, but it does not say?
This is what it does say,
Acts 19,
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
So both Jews an Greeks were in that area.
Question, I would say it is true that some of the twelve men were followers of John, maybe all?
But that doesn't mean they all were. Some may have been follows of them?
What's your point?
Does that take away from the message?
I don't fight baptism, and I could not wait to get baptized after I placed my faith in Jesus Christ for salvation several years ago and was saved. (Romans 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9) I even gave a 5-minute testimony just prior to getting baptized on how I was falsely taught "baptismal regeneration" by the Roman Catholic church (that I was born and raised in) and how I finally came to place my faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
So, I only fight false teachings about baptism.
I don't fight baptism, and I could not wait to get baptized after I placed my faith in Jesus Christ for salvation several years ago and was saved. (Romans 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9) I even gave a 5-minute testimony just prior to getting baptized on how I was falsely taught baptismal regeneration by the Roman Catholic church (that I was born and raised in) and how I finally came to place my faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
What are the false teachings about baptism?
I don't fight baptism, and I could not wait to get baptized after I placed my faith in Jesus Christ for salvation several years ago and was saved. (Romans 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9) I even gave a 5-minute testimony just prior to getting baptized on how I was falsely taught "baptismal regeneration" by the Roman Catholic church (that I was born and raised in) and how I finally came to place my faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
What difference does it make? All of this nitpicking for something that God commanded is not edifying and potentially discourages people from getting baptized
Baptismal regeneration which is the belief that regeneration does not occur until a person is water baptized, which also makes water baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. A person MUST be water baptized using the formula "in Jesus' name" ONLY or else you won't be saved/baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is an invalid baptism formula and if used during your baptism you won't be saved. Water baptism MUST be followed by being filled with the Holy Spirit evidenced by speaking in tongues or else you won't be saved.
It makes a huge difference. False teachings about baptism culminate in salvation by works and we are saved by grace through faith, not works. (Romans 4:5-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) Works salvation is no salvation at all. It's not about nitpicking. It's about preaching the correct gospel message. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) I can't name one Christian I know who received Jesus Christ through faith then afterwards ended up getting discouraged from being water baptized. I have witnessed numerous baptisms over the years.
Trust me, you will answer to God for casting a stumbling block in front of the brethren for discouraging baptism. I was one of them who was taught it was not necessary and so didn't do it.
Was your only motivation for getting water baptized "must or else?"
Now who am I casting a stumbling block in front of? I would encourage ALL believers to receive water baptism after conversion. People will answer to God for preaching a false gospel and refusing to believe the gospel. (1 Corinthians 1:18-21; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4) I don't believe that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, yet I still did not hesitate to receive water baptism after my conversion.John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
There is no difference in the terms Holy Ghost and Spirit. The two mean exactly the same thing.
The New Testament (NT) uses "Holy Ghost" primarily in older English translations like the King James Version (KJV) because the word "ghost" in 17th-century English meant "spirit," "soul," or "breath," not necessarily a deceased person's spirit as it does today. The KJV translators used "ghost" to convey the divine, immaterial personhood of the Spirit, translating the Greek pneuma (spirit/breath) and Old English gast. Modern translations prefer "Holy Spirit" as the word "ghost" evolved to carry spooky connotations, obscuring the original meaning of divine life and presence.
Paul always ministered to the Jew first and then the Gentile.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." Rom. 1:16
Paul's Ministry in Ephesus:
- To the Jews: Paul began by reasoning with the Jews in the synagogue, as he always did, presenting Jesus as the Messiah from the Scriptures.
- To the Gentiles: After facing opposition from some Jews, Paul shifted his focus to the Gentiles, teaching in the school of Tyrannus and the marketplace, resulting in many conversions.
- Broad Reach: His ministry was so effective that "all who dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks" (Acts 19:10).
- Unity: The church in Ephesus became a model of unity between Jews and Gentiles, a key theme in Paul's Epistle to the Ephesians.
The command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus had nothing to do with the OT law. The command was instituted at Pentecost as prophesied by Jesus after His resurrection. (Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38)
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During the Middle Ages, Christian translators created a way to make the English Bible ---- reflect -- their belief---
---that the Holy Ghost was not the Holy Spirit.---
These theologians -- coined the phrase--- "Holy Ghost" to designate the Third Person of the Trinity. In contrast, they used "Holy Spirit" to refer to the Spirit of God or Spirit of the LORD encountered by the Hebrews and Jews in the Old Testament.
Then, in the 16th century, Bible printers reinforced this distinction by introducing capital and small letters. In the OT they used "spirit" and "holy spirit." In the NT they printed "Spirit" and "Holy Ghost," but with subtle distinctions.
These translation and printing differences do not exist in the Bible itself, in either Hebrew or Greek.
They are invented theological biases – imported - into the (English) Bible.
They provided both verbal and visual validation for the already existing “conviction” --- that Christianity --- must be separated from its Hebraic/Jewish foundations.
Are they different from Peter Baptizing the Gentile family of Cornelius in Chapter 10 using the same formula?
FOUNDATION, the 12 apostles or Pauls?
Eternity is a long time, we better make sure we are following JESUS and HIS word, going down the straight and narrow path.
Do we jump over the book of Acts because it's a transitional book as so so many claim, ignoring it and go right to Paul’s letters? Or, accept the book of Acts because it is the FOUNDATION and not a transitional book?
The foundation of the book of Acts is believe in JESUS, repent, water baptism in JESUS name and need to receive the Holy Ghost to be reborn. Acts 2:38.
Following the same path that JESUS and HIS disciple took along with Paul before he started his ministry.
OR, is the book of Acts a transitional book and we are saved by grace and or faith ALONE?
Below you will see GOD'S words not anyone's opinion or personal interpretation of HIS word.
Why didn't Paul mention the need to be water baptized or receive the Holy Ghost to be saved?
Many do not understand and the outcome is going to be devastating.
Nowhere after the book of Acts will you see specific instructions on the how to be reborn or saved, NO WHERE why?
ALL OF Paul's letters WERE NOT written to the unsaved, but to the saved or reborn.
After the book of Acts in Paul's letters he was giving instructions about how to live, what to do as Christians to reach the lost, what happens in water baptism, and things about the Holy Ghost. Off the milk and on the MEAT.
Through Paul’s travels he heard different problems in the churches and was addressing the problems in each of his letters.
His letters included both CORRECTION and PRAISE.
If you were there to hear the instructions Paul gave that birthed churches it would be the same message as the rest of JESUS disciples. See Acts 19 it shows what Paul told the people to do.
Paul did NOT have his own gospel. Notice how he introduces himself PAUL AN APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST.
Look who the letters are addressed to,
1 Corinthians,
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
2 Corinthians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
Romans,
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians,
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
Ephesians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Philippians,
1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
Colossians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
All letters after the book of Thessalonians had nothing to with Paul’s ministry to churches.
Back to Paul
Proof Paul followed JESUS along with the rest of JESUS disciples is seen in what happened in the beginning stages of when he started the church of Ephesus Acts 19. For some reason Paul questioned whether the 12 disciples had the Holy Ghost yet. He found out the men did not know what happened at Pentecost. He told them about JESUS and they got baptized. And after Paul laid hands on them they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 19,
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
After Paul baptized those folk, and they received the Holy Ghost he stayed there for 2-3 years building the church of Jews and Gentiles.
If anyone debates Paul preached a different message, it's HIS word your debating not with me.
I bet there will be a lot of people who share Paul's letters trying to prove Paul said we are saved by grace or faith alone using Paul letters and debate HIS word.
BEFORE you do, read from the top with an open heart and look , Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ and each and every letter is to a church, not the unsaved.
We CAN'T debate HIS word, it says what it say and means what it means.
Protestants have perverted the Bible to fit their twisted "gospel". They deny things that are actually in the Bible and believe things not found in the Bible.
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my observation -- the majority of what Jesus taught is ignored by the majority and twisted by the rest.
They all run to Paul as he can be twisted to say what they want to hear.
That's an accurate picture. It's starting to me how much self proclaimed "Bible" Christians actually ignore the Bible. It would be funny if it wasnt sad.
FOUNDATION, the 12 apostles or Pauls?
The twelve apostles were the foundation of the earthly kingdom that will be established in Israel after the tribulation.
Luk_22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Paul was a dispenser of the gospel of grace for gentiles.
Eph_3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
The twelve apostles were the foundation of the earthly kingdom that will be established in Israel after the tribulation.
Luk_22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Paul was a dispenser of the gospel of grace for gentiles.
Eph_3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
What I shared was also generated via an Internet search.
The point is Holy Ghost and Spirit mean exactly the same thing in the Word of God.
The difference is linguistic, with "Holy Ghost" (from Old English gast) being an older translation, while "Holy Spirit" (from Greek pneuma or Latin spiritus) is the preferred modern term to avoid confusion with ghosts of the dead. Both phrases translate the same biblical concepts of God's divine presence, breath, or wind, and modern translations use "Holy Spirit" for clarity.
Interesting comment expecially considering the unbibilical beliefs instituted throughout the years by those practicing Catholicism.