Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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maybe you may name some good things to say about this sermon, without pointing your finger.
Can I ask a question? id we do have free will why can we not turn to God without him first drawing us to him?
A baseless dogmatic assertion foisted upon a failed philosophical formula.
Biblical support/agency/proofs never posted because they are nowhere to be found.
We can also ask the question, why does God tell us to seek Him if it were not possible?
God is not "drawing" you say?
Prove it. If you can.
Jhn 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Jhn 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Jhn 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
My pleasure. I would be doing you a great disservice if I didn't remind you that God saves only his covenant people, of which obviously you are not one by your own admission.
See how easy it is to sink a theology that resembles a dilapidated, worn out, old rust bucket with more holes in it that Swiss cheese.
When a cockroach weasels its way in.... One doesn't tend to forget about it.
Don't be shy all of you Calvinists.......come into the light.
"Biblical support/agency/proofs never posted because they are nowhere to be found."
you really enjoy trying to insult me don't you, and I suspect you would after hearing the truth, you always do.
God draws only those He gave to Christ in eternity. The giving precedes the drawing. The "all men" are those described in Rev 5:9-10, and those described in the Abrahamic Covenant (Gen 22:15-18; 49:10, etc.), and this interpretation fits the context of Jn 12 wherein Jews and Gentiles (Greeks) were seeking Jesus.
These come to mind..
Acts 17:27
that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
Matthew 13:44-46
“The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid again; and from joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking fine pearls, and upon finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had and bought it.
Dogmatic statements made by men are to be taken with a grain of salt.
On the other hand, dogmatic statements made by Christ are to be taken with the utmost gravitas and solemnity.
So excuse me if I dismiss yours in favor of His.