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That was not my claim. Maybe you should stop slandering people.

I was simply saying that I was not denying Paul's word in Ephesians that we are saved by grace and it is a free gift of God and not based on our works.

Anybody claiming it's not possible to lose their salvation by turning away from God is saying it's OK to live in sin whether they realize it or not.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

It's the good works of the Holy Spirit that we should be walking in - it's His power, strength, and ability that enable us

OSAS claims one can still be saved as they live in disobedience

They claim in their ignorance obedience is trying to earn salvation
 
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Anybody claiming it's not possible to lose their salvation by turning away from God is saying it's OK to live in sin whether they realize it or not.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

It's the good works of the Holy Spirit that we should be walking in - it's His power, strength, and ability that enable us

OSAS claims one can still be saved as they live in disobedience

They claim in their ignorance obedience is trying to earn salvation
And where did I claim that it is not possible for you to lose salvation? No where. So again, you slandered me.
 
And where did I claim that it is not possible for you to lose salvation? No where. So again, you slandered me.

Speaking favorably of the OSAS heresy isn't working too well for you so far.

So tell us, do you embrace once saved always saved, or not?

If you have so thin skin you claim you are being slandered all the time, you better not try to do any witnessing for the Lord in public.

You'll be shredded!
 
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John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

There are two ways to understand this. One is that anything that you are doing that is not bearing fruit, for example watching TV, the Father will prune it and take it away so that your time and energy can be more fruitful. That is a reasonable understanding.

But we also know that there is excommunication in the church described in Matthew 18. That would refer to a branch being a brother or sister in the church, who is not bearing the fruit of the Spirit. Now this is a reference to a branch in the vine. You cannot claim they were never saved, they were part of the Body of Christ, the vine tree, but they are not bearing fruit of the Spirit.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Now this does not sound like the same thing that Hebrews is talking about. In Hebrews the ground is "near a curse" and "near to being burned". In that analogy we are the land, not the thorns and briers. But in this analogy we are the dried up branch that is burned.

Regardless of how you want to understand this term "burned" (does He hand you over to Satan the way Job was, or is this a reference to eternal damnation) either way what cannot be debated is we must abide in the Lord. People who are living in sin are not abiding in the Lord.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Being justified by the blood of Jesus is not the same thing as bearing much fruit. To bear much fruit requires labor. It requires being one with the Spirit. You don't become the Lord's disciple by being justified, you become the Lord's disciple by bearing much fruit.

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

This is why I hate any teaching that we do not have to abide in the Lord's commandments. They talk about abiding in the Lord's love without saying this means we keep His commandments.
 
Speaking favorably of the OSAS heresy isn't working too well for you so far.

So tell us, do you embrace once saved always saved, or not?

If you have so thin skin you claim you are being slandered all the time, you better not try to do any witnessing for the Lord in public.

You'll be shredded!
Actually your slander is not working well for you. I have spoken in much more detail than you have. For example post 481 and post 504.
 
Anybody claiming it's not possible to lose their salvation by turning away from God is saying it's OK to live in sin whether they realize it or not.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

It's the good works of the Holy Spirit that we should be walking in - it's His power, strength, and ability that enable us

OSAS claims one can still be saved as they live in disobedience

They claim in their ignorance obedience is trying to earn salvation
The last good thing seen in Dallas was Tom Landry!
 
If you have so thin skin you claim you are being slandered all the time, you better not try to do any witnessing for the Lord in public.

You'll be shredded!
So you are now teaching that I should not take issue when you accused me of this:

"Sadly your claim is that Christians can go ahead and live in sin and still be saved. You should stop teaching doctrines of devils."

That is hypocrisy.
 
Actually your slander is not working well for you. I have spoken in much more detail than you have. For example post 481 and post 504.

504 was better than 481 which isn't very strong against OSAS

It's better to come right out and call it for what it is, heresy

Peddling conspiracy theories is not being led of the Lord so you should repent of that
 
504 was better than 481 which isn't very strong against OSAS

It's better to come right out and call it for what it is, heresy
Paul teaches that we can have the assurance of salvation. So it depends on what the doctrine is, some are simply teaching the word of God and calling it "OSAS". I don't debate "doctrines of men" for this reason.
 
Peddling conspiracy theories is not being led of the Lord so you should repent of that
Definition of peddle -- to travel about especially from house to house with goods for sale

I have not sold anything. Therefore accusing me of "peddling" is more slander from you.
 
Paul teaches that we can have the assurance of salvation.

Paul did not teach anything - the Lord is the One directing Paul and the other biblical writers what to say.

The Lord teaches thru Paul that we can have assurance of salvation and He also taught that we can lose our salvation.



I don't debate "doctrines of men" for this reason.

God's Word is not doctrines of men, and those not understanding what God's Word teaches should really stay up on the porch with the pups



Definition of peddle -- to travel about especially from house to house with goods for sale

I have not sold anything. Therefore accusing me of "peddling" is more slander from you.

You are a conspiracy theory affectionado who gets off on spreading speculation that cannot be proven and doing so as though it were fact

Too bad you do put all that energy in to studying God's Word.
 
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You are a conspiracy theory affectionado who gets off on spreading speculation that cannot be proven and doing so as though it were fact
Why do you say this? Surely you can give me at least three examples to support this assertion.
 
I saw you reposting the lies Candance Owens is talking about concerning Charlie Kirk conspiracy theories

You enjoy spreading unsubstantiated claims based on foolish speculation
I expect at least three things that you consider conspiracy theories, posting a link to a Candace Owens post about Charlie Kirk is not evidence of being a "conspiracy theory afficionado". So let's go give me at least two more things that you consider "conspiracy theories" that you are accusing me of spreading.

I appreciate humor and will really enjoy bringing this claim of yours up when the supposed theories are confirmed as true.

So let's go, you don't get to hand out "conspiracy theory afficianado" over just one story, give me at least two more.
 
My understanding is that there is salvation of the spirit, soul and body. When you are redeemed by the Lord you are purchased by Him. No one can change that. But just like Paul said in 1 Corinthians you can build with wood, hay and stubble, they will all be burned up and you will suffer loss.

You can be like Edom and Reuben who for a bowl of beans sold his birthright (or in Reuben's case a sinful indulgence). Or you can do something even worse which is to excommunicate a prophet of God. I think in this case you would have to be in a position of authority in the church. But I understand that this is what happened in Sardis, they booted out those that the Lord sent to speak to them, blotting their names out of the church's rolls and therefore the righteous judgement that as you have done it will be done to you, the Lord blots their name out of the book of life.

Now if you do this then you become Laodicea. The Lord is no longer in your midst as a church, He is outside knocking to be let in. That by definition is the apostasy, they have left the Lord Jesus and He is no longer lord of their church. If you decide that you are not going to be ruled by the word of God then you are the apostasy. Even then you can be saved, He is knocking, if you open the door to Him He will come in to you.

In the end it is up to the Lord at the judgement seat. If you suffer loss, if you receive a reward or if He says He never knew you.

The problem with OSAS is that it is a foolish doctrine. They tell you that you can never lose your salvation. So they point to instances in the Bible where someone does lose their salvation and they say "they were never saved in the first place". So that makes the whole thing idiotic. What I want to know is who is saved and who isn't? They didn't do anything to help me understand that. Instead we have the fruit of the Spirit and the works of the Flesh. We have lots of Biblical help in discerning those. There is nothing that says if this person prayed 20 years ago that somehow that annuls the works of the flesh today. That is how the Lord told us we would know who is saved and who isn't, by the fruit.

Now Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light. So there is a lot of deceit and deception, false prophets are hypocrites, they are putting on an act and playing a role. So it requires discernment and you must examine the person. But to make the job easier we know that the apostles who wrote the New Testament have been thoroughly examined and sealed their testimony with their blood.

OSAS is also foolish because you are not the Lord, you are not omniscient, you will never know who is saved and who isn't until we all appear before the judgement seat. We are never told to do that. We are told to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. That is what the Bible says, not what OSAS says. To many that teach that doctrine you pray, your are forgiven, that is it. There is no "working it out" and there is no "fear and trembling". They are equating being justified as being saved. That is not wrong, Paul says that we are saved by grace and it is the free gift of God. So that is certainly salvation. It has nothing to do with our own work nor does it have anything to do with reward. But it is clear from Paul's word in Philippians that there is much more to salvation than what he was referring to in Ephesians.

If you take my analogy of the two quarterbacks, one is not condemned to hell because he never panned out as a first round draft pick and the other isn't saved from hell because he won 7 superbowls. The point is there is a promise when we are saved, an inheritance, a birthright. The promise is "Christ in us, the hope of glory". One of those quarterbacks received that promise (allegorically) and the other didn't. That hope of glory is also a part of our salvation. Now the person who is living in sin is not going to receive that part of salvation. I have no idea if they are going to hell or not, that is up to the Lord Jesus. But what I can easily see is which of those two quarterbacks received Christ as the hope of glory (again this is an analogy, not trying to refer to either of them as being saved or not).

OSAS in Heb6 - yes or no?

Loss of rewards in Heb6 - yes or no?
 
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OSAS in Heb6 - yes or no?

Loss of rewards in Heb6 - yes or no?
I will not answer a question about OSAS because there are ten different versions of what that means.

Give me a specific question?

Can a born again Christian be near a curse and near being burned? Yes, that is what Hebrews 6 is saying.

As for "loss of rewards" that is not something I have said. You can suffer loss if you build with wood, hay and stubble. There was no "reward" you simply lose your life's work or the work you did thinking you were doing a good work.

If you get a reward from the Lord you don't lose it.

These things are decided at the judgement seat of Christ.

Also, when most people who claim "OSAS" refer to salvation they are not referring to rewards. They are referring to the free gift of being justified and redeemed by the Lord's blood. That is not a reward. It has nothing to do with you, it was a free gift.
 
I saw you reposting the lies Candance Owens is talking about concerning Charlie Kirk conspiracy theories
Wow, well I don't want to do that. Tell me what the lies were that I posted and I'll retract them. Thanks.

On the other hand failure to do that will prove that you are the liar.
 
It is not falling away that puts Christ Jesus to open shame, it is the attempt to make His sacrifice insufficient to save fully like the sacrifice of animals.

So therefore we can deduce those who deny OSAS are making the sacrifice of Christ Jesus insufficient to save fully and completely.

No lady, you got it backwards.
Nobody can take away what God can do. That's impossible.
What we're discussing in the eternal topic of OSAS is your incorrect interpretation and assumptions of what you think God can do.
This is evident when some people can say with an honest face that they will go to Heaven even if they kill somebody.
I mean, this is how you produce atheists instead of Christians.
So, HOW you say things ... matters!
 
No lady, you got it backwards.
Nobody can take away what God can do. That's impossible.
What we're discussing in the eternal topic of OSAS is your incorrect interpretation and assumptions of what you think God can do.
This is evident when some people can say with an honest face that they will go to Heaven even if they kill somebody.
I mean, this is how you produce atheists instead of Christians.
So, HOW you say things ... matters!

You really have no idea how uninformed you look it seems.
You should find some humility and go learn, your knowledge and understanding of the Good News is surely lacking.
All the boring responses and red x's cannot change this fact, your post makes it plainly obvious.
Sad.