Actually, Jesus said it was the work of God...THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD...that you believe.
Romans 10:17, a courtroom haearing?
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How can it be God's work when Jesus said you believe. The people just asked him what they should do to do the God's works, and Jesus told them - you believe into Christ
He told them it was the work of God for them to believe...THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD. Jesus often doesn't answer the question asked, but the one that should have been asked.
Workers: "What are we supposed to do to do big boss' work"
Foreman: "This is work of big boss, move those boxes into the container"
Cameron143: "Since it's the work of big boss that means he'll be doing the work"
Foreman: "You're fired"
God doesn't produce faith. Faith is being persuaded by God's words and trusting that he will bring them to pass.
While your explanation works in a warehouse, it doesn't work with grace.
The word of God produces hearing. Hearing produces faith. So...unless the individual is producing the hearing, it must be the word of God producing hearing.
Biblically, what is hearing?
You already stipulated that God opening Lydia’s heart and opening the understanding of the men on the road to Emmaus is not gnosticism. That's what I believe God does in salvation. How then am I gnostic?
No the word of God doesn't produce hearing; hearing comes through it. Or stated better for this day and age, reading comes through the bible, ie, it is the means through which we know God's words.
And then faith comes out of reading or hearing God's words that enter our heart and persuade us that they are truth
You're a gnostic because you think your spiritual nature saves you independent of anything you do.
If this were so, everyone who heard or read the word of God would have faith. This simply isn't so. There must be something more going on.
No it doesn't mean that because not everyone hearkens to the spirit of truth, which witnesses that the spoken/written words are truth