The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Mem]

To make the law legalistic and add requirements to them is to become like the pharisees in Jesus's day...

Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

We can do the same today. But Jesus was not against the keeping of the laws.

Jesus promoted the keeping of the laws in many places.
Mat 19:17-18
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
And 1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

The new covenant does NOT change or remove the Ten commandments, it states that Jesus will write them on our heart.

We can not obey them in our power but by allowing the Holy Spirit to write them on the your heart they are possible to obey.
By the power of the Spirit.

Rom 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The comparison of walking after the flesh with walking after the spirit brings up the question of the significance with regard to the comparison between a heart of stone and a heart of flesh. Stone is rather rigid and gives nothing whereas flesh is pliable even resilient in its ability to heal. If one walks after the spirit of love, what need is there to 'doublecheck' with the law to see if it considers any time when coveting is appropriate? Love is inherently happy that another is blessed. "Love does not envy." As Paul said, in a nutshell, equated living according to the flesh to keeping the law with the law arousing the sinful passions at work in our bodies (Romans 7:5).

 

[TMS]

The comparison of walking after the flesh with walking after the spirit brings up the question of the significance with regard to the comparison between a heart of stone and a heart of flesh. Stone is rather rigid and gives nothing whereas flesh is pliable even resilient in its ability to heal. If one walks after the spirit of love, what need is there to 'doublecheck' with the law to see if it considers any time when coveting is appropriate? Love is inherently happy that another is blessed. "Love does not envy." As Paul said, in a nutshell, equated living according to the flesh to keeping the law with the law arousing the sinful passions at work in our bodies (Romans 7:5).

Paul said in Rom 7 ....
Rom 7:7-9
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Without the law sin was dead..
This is appealing to the flesh, it is attractive to remove the law and we will not be convicted of sin.

The law reveals what sin is and sin just as bad today. The law has not been replaced by love or grace.. but we obey the law by love and grace.

 

[TMS]

The comparison of walking after the flesh with walking after the spirit brings up the question of the significance with regard to the comparison between a heart of stone and a heart of flesh. Stone is rather rigid and gives nothing whereas flesh is pliable even resilient in its ability to heal. If one walks after the spirit of love, what need is there to 'doublecheck' with the law to see if it considers any time when coveting is appropriate? Love is inherently happy that another is blessed. "Love does not envy." As Paul said, in a nutshell, equated living according to the flesh to keeping the law with the law arousing the sinful passions at work in our bodies (Romans 7:5).

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

The principles and laws are to be written on the fleshly tables of the heart. Which is what we are told .... Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

To write the law in our hearts we will obey and be like God's people. It is more then just a thought, it results in actions and works.

2Pe 1:3-4
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

It isn't a one off change it is a day by day experience .. 2Co 4:16...; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

To be Spiritually minded we delight to follow the law every day.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[TMS]

Basically a covenant is an agreement between two parties based upon mutual promises. All through the centuries God has dealt with His people on the basis of covenants. He is a reasonable God, and he invites, “Come now, and let us reason together.” Isaiah 1:18.
The most important covenant of all was set up long before this world came into existence. It was a covenant between the Father and the Son and had to do with the eventuality of sin. Jesus offered Himself there in the vast eternity of the past as the “Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8. He agreed to become the atoning sacrifice to redeem man, should Adam and Eve choose to sin. The terms of that eternal covenant have never been changed or superseded.

So don't get that first covenant mixed up with the other covenants.

 

[Gideon300]

A covenant is an agreement. The agreement is new and God said it was established on better promises, not new laws Heb8:6 because it still has God's laws, now written on a better surface our hearts Heb8:10 2Cor3:3 if we allow Him to, not everyone does Rom8:7-8

There are 613 laws. Which ones do you keep? Not all apply to everyone. Some are for females only, some for priests and Levis. Of course, all believers are priests. You can strive to keep the law of Moses. I live by the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

If I lived in Israel, I might observe the sabbath as a courtesy to Jewish believers if they also observed the sabbath. Or not. I'd be led by the Spirit. For now, I refuse to let anyone judge me according to the Law of Moses. Why do you think Lord calls it the Law of Moses? Why do you think that Hebrews says that the Law is a shadow? Why do you think that the law is becoming obsolete?

The law was given to lead me to Christ. It's done its job. It can go home now. Plainly you reject God's word. If the Sabbath is a must to be observed, then so is circumcision. That mark of the old covenant was required of Abraham, even before the law was given. Yet it is clear that God no longer requires circumcision of the flesh. Why? That requirement has been superseded. Likewise the requirement of keeping the sabbath.

The real sabbath rest is when we rest in Christ from the works of the flesh and self. That rest is continual.

 

[TMS]

The law was given to lead me to Christ. It's done its job. It can go home now. Plainly you reject God's word. If the Sabbath is a must to be observed, then so is circumcision. That mark of the old covenant was required of Abraham, even before the law was given. Yet it is clear that God no longer requires circumcision of the flesh. Why? That requirement has been superseded. Likewise the requirement of keeping the sabbath.

The real sabbath rest is when we rest in Christ from the works of the flesh and self. That rest is continual.

It was set up before sin
How has it done its job?

If sin never entered this world the sabbath day would still be sanctified and set aside for rest.

Circumcision entered because of sin.

The sabbath was set up before sin.

The laws are not all the same... you class them all as the laws of Moses but there is a distinction in the word.

Lets compare scripture with scripture, we notice that the Old Covenant had some poor promises in it. The New Covenant, we are told, “was established upon better promises.” Heb 8: 6. Tell me, has anyone ever been able to point out any poor promises in the Ten Commandments? Never.
On the contrary, Paul declares that they were very good. “Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.” Ephesians 6:1-3. This declaration alone is sufficient to show that the writer of Hebrews was not charging the moral law with any weak promises. The Old Covenant, whatever else it might be, could never be the Ten Commandments.

The second thing wrong with the Old Covenant was that it was faulty. The Bible says, “For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.” Hebrews 8:7. Let me ask you a question: Has any man ever been able to find a fault or a flaw in the handwriting of God? The psalmist declared, “The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.” Psalm 19:7.

Finally, though, we read the most dramatic thing about the Old Covenant – it was to be abolished! “In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.” Hebrews 8:13. Now we can ask a serious question that should settle every doubt on this matter. Did the great moral law of Ten Commandments vanish away? Anyone who has read the New Testament must answer, Absolutely not. Paul affirms the exact opposite about the law. He asked, “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” Romans 3:31. Does the Bible contradict itself? Can something vanish away and be established at the same time? Did the same writer say opposite things about the same law?

 

[TMS]

There are 613 laws. Which ones do you keep? Not all apply to everyone

I agree
Not all apply to everyone today.

But you don't dismiss all of laws

It is clear that God wants us to obey.

Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Rom 6:17-18
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

We may not know everything and we may be learning new things but it is important to obey from the heart what we know to be right.
Be a servant of righteousness.

Learning which laws are shadows and ordinances, which laws are holy, just and good.. which laws were a school master and which laws are laws of liberty might take a bit of study but it is clearly defined.

 

[mailmandan]

thats a great way to marginalize the Word of God and a new moon is the first day of a new month.

New Moons (Rosh Chodesh) with special Temple sacrifices (bulls, rams, lambs, grain, wine), blowing of trumpets/shofars, abstaining from work, holding family feasts, and reciting blessings, marking the start of the month as a holy, festive day for worship and renewal, though it sometimes became a hollow ritual later on.

If you will read the latter chapters of Ezekiel 43 on, Ezekiel writes what it will be like when the New Temple is built and Christ is on earth, the Sabbath will be kept.

and If you have not read Zechariah 14 the whole earth will observe the Feast of Tabernacles
16And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Sabbath keeping is not mentioned in Ezekiel 43 or in Zechariah 14. In Zachariah 14:16, we read - And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. So, instead of coming to Jerusalem for battle now the nations come to honor God and to remember His faithfulness to Israel in the wilderness after their exodus from Egypt by keeping the Feast of Tabernacles, also known as the Feast of Booths and Sukkot.

 

[memberofthebride]

Simple: The LAW is God's will and it is eternal.

Fortunately, we have a SAVIOR who Died to deliver us from the LAW by becoming the perfect SIN OFFERING for us (Isa 53:10). It's called "The Gospel".

Comment

Bob, Christ died to PAY our penalty for our transgression of the Torah, Christ died to "deliver is from the PENALTY of the Law not the law itself.

If there were no law then repentance nor baptism is needed. sin remains sin.

not sure by your statement if you understand

 

[SabbathBlessing]

There are 613 laws. Which ones do you keep? Not all apply to everyone. Some are for females only, some for priests and Levis. Of course, all believers are priests. You can strive to keep the law of Moses. I live by the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

If I lived in Israel, I might observe the sabbath as a courtesy to Jewish believers if they also observed the sabbath. Or not. I'd be led by the Spirit. For now, I refuse to let anyone judge me according to the Law of Moses. Why do you think Lord calls it the Law of Moses? Why do you think that Hebrews says that the Law is a shadow? Why do you think that the law is becoming obsolete?

The law was given to lead me to Christ. It's done its job. It can go home now. Plainly you reject God's word. If the Sabbath is a must to be observed, then so is circumcision. That mark of the old covenant was required of Abraham, even before the law was given. Yet it is clear that God no longer requires circumcision of the flesh. Why? That requirement has been superseded. Likewise the requirement of keeping the sabbath.

The real sabbath rest is when we rest in Christ from the works of the flesh and self. That rest is continual.

This is what God said were His commandments, the number He gave them was Ten.


Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

And no more was added to them

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

There is no circumcision in the Ten Commandments, that served as a whole other set of laws and served another purpose that I can provide Scriptures if you are interested.

There is no Scripture that says God's people does not have to keep God's commandments that were written by the Holy Spirit or that we can start editing what God wrote as if there is anyone greater than He to change His own written and spoken Testimony. The one who did this was the one who He warned us about that would change God's times and laws Dan7:25. God never altered the 4th commandment, man did, not God. He said "Remember" for a reason and no Scripture says the Sabbath is not daily, this goes against His own written will Exo20:10.

 

[Gideon300]

This is what God said were His commandments, the number He gave them was Ten.


Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

And no more was added to them

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

There is no circumcision in the Ten Commandments, that served as a whole other set of laws and served another purpose that I can provide Scriptures if you are interested.

There is no Scripture that says God's people does not have to keep God's commandments that were written by the Holy Spirit or that we can start editing what God wrote as if there is anyone greater than He to change His own written and spoken Testimony. The one who did this was the one who He warned us about that would change God's times and laws Dan7:25. God never altered the 4th commandment, man did, not God. He said "Remember" for a reason and no Scripture says the Sabbath is not daily, this goes against His own written will Exo20:10.

Dead people are not required to do anything. I died to the law that you are so intent on keeping. I live in Australia. I'm not subject to the laws of Britain where I was born. I live in the Spirit as a new creation, a brand new man. I live by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Every day is a "sabbath" to me because I have entered the rest that Lord Jesus provided.

The tablets of stone no longer exist. They have been superseded. If an English policeman came to Australia to charge me for an offence under English law, I would laugh at him. He has no jurisdiction. I died to the law. When the Pharisee comes to charge me, I will tell him the one he seeks is dead. I am no longer under its jurisdiction.

 

[memberofthebride]

Sabbath keeping is not mentioned in Ezekiel 43 or in Zechariah 14. In Zachariah 14:16, we read - And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. So, instead of coming to Jerusalem for battle now the nations come to honor God and to remember His faithfulness to Israel in the wilderness after their exodus from Egypt by keeping the Feast of Tabernacles, also known as the Feast of Booths and Sukkot.

you did not read far enough, there are many chapters on the third temple in Ezekiel

Ezekiel 44
24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; [and] they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws (Torah) and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.

The third temple is built during the 1000 years and if you will notice and they shall keep my laws (Torah)

the Torah that most hate, will be the LAW under The KING of Kings and all 7 of God's Feast will be kept

 

[memberofthebride]

Dead people are not required to do anything. I died to the law that you are so intent on keeping. I live in Australia. I'm not subject to the laws of Britain where I was born. I live in the Spirit as a new creation, a brand new man. I live by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Every day is a "sabbath" to me because I have entered the rest that Lord Jesus provided.

The tablets of stone no longer exist. They have been superseded. If an English policeman came to Australia to charge me for an offence under English law, I would laugh at him. He has no jurisdiction. I died to the law. When the Pharisee comes to charge me, I will tell him the one he seeks is dead. I am no longer under its jurisdiction.

Wow are you in for a shock

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Dead people are not required to do anything. I died to the law that you are so intent on keeping. I live in Australia. I'm not subject to the laws of Britain where I was born. I live in the Spirit as a new creation, a brand new man. I live by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Every day is a "sabbath" to me because I have entered the rest that Lord Jesus provided.

The tablets of stone no longer exist. They have been superseded. If an English policeman came to Australia to charge me for an offence under English law, I would laugh at him. He has no jurisdiction. I died to the law. When the Pharisee comes to charge me, I will tell him the one he seeks is dead. I am no longer under its jurisdiction.

Another misunderstanding of Paul, your mind seems made up, God's law does not seem like its for you, so I will leave it as wish you well. Take care

 

[Gideon300]

Wow are you in for a shock

The basis of my relationship with Christ is the solid rock of His living word, not on the letter that kills. My boast is in the finished work of Christ on the cross, His death and resurrection. I died and my life is hidden with Christ in God. You should try living according to the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ. You never know, you might like it.

 

[mailmandan]

you did not read far enough, there are many chapters on the third temple in Ezekiel

Ezekiel 44
24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; [and] they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws (Torah) and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.

The third temple is built during the 1000 years and if you will notice and they shall keep my laws (Torah)

the Torah that most hate, will be the LAW under The KING of Kings and all 7 of God's Feast will be kept

I don't hate the Torah and I am not an Israelite under the law. You seem to be absolutely obsessed with the Torah. Are you seeking justification by the law?

The sabbath is a specific sign of the covenant between God and the nation of Israel (Exodus 31:13-17; Deuteronomy 5:1-15; Ezekiel 20:12), distinct from a universal moral law or a condition for salvation under the New Covenant. (Colosdians 2:16-17)

Ezekiel 44:6 Now say to the rebellious, to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “O house of Israel, let Us have no more of all your abominations. 7 When you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in My sanctuary to defile it—My house—and when you offered My food, the fat and the blood, then they broke My covenant because of all your abominations. 8 And you have not kept charge of My holy things, but you have set others to keep charge of My sanctuary for you.” 9 Thus says the Lord God: “No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart or uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter My sanctuary, including any foreigner who is among the children of Israel.

 

[Gideon300]

Another misunderstanding of Paul, your mind seems made up, God's law does not seem like its for you, so I will leave it as wish you well. Take care

I cast my care on Jesus, so, no, Jesus takes my cares. And you are right, my mind is made up. You enjoy your life of legalism and I'll enjoy God's grace. We can compare notes one day. That will be interesting.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I cast my care on Jesus, so, no, Jesus takes my cares. And you are right, my mind is made up. You enjoy your life of legalism and I'll enjoy God's grace. We can compare notes one day. That will be interesting.

Jesus said if you love Me, keep My commandments John14:15, Jesus was not promoting legalism by obeying Him, but giving each of us an opportunity to do so, if we love Him. Placing our faith in Him to live like He asked Mat4:4, following in His example Luke4:16 John15:10, because He knows what's best, even if we can't see it. Psa19:7

 

[pinebeach]

These Sabbath/commandment keeper remind me of a person who constantly interupts the conversation between other people and that does not involve them.

It's like 'But look look! I'm so much better than the Israelites who wandered in the desert. Watch me watch me! I keep the commandments and they never could. Not only that, but I tell those who do not worship the Sabbath, er I mean worship on the Sabbath, that they are going to hell if they do not repent. I'm just a humble person who only sounds like they are judgemental and so much better than others. Obviously I am just trying to let everyone know how great I am I just want to help those who do not understand the way I do.'

 

[pinebeach]

gidenon

are you aware that you are saying there are two different ways to the gift of eternal life?

one way for Jews and another for gentiles
Show us where Christ taught that.

and that also mean, as i would expect you think of your self as a gentile, that you are not required to repent nor to be baptized--- as that would mean you are "subject to the law" and under the penalty of death.

It would also mean the gentiles have no need for the sacrifice of Christ as that Sacrifice is payment for our sins, no law no sins. 1 John 3; 4

One of the many problems I have with the doctrines of the 40,000 flavors of confusion is they are not only illogical but reject 98% of the WORD of God. they follow the confusion caused by Paul, (about 80 pages out of 1500) they do not follow Jesus Christ.

What a load of reckless fibbing. You have been around in these forums and I myself have exchanged posts with you, in order for you to know beyond doubt that what you are saying about has not the slightest truth to it.

Desperation to be right never looks good on anyone. NO ONE has ever said they think there are 2 ways to salvation. Actually though, no Jew is saved unless they accept their Messiah. There are many who have.

Maybe you should consider the fact that Jesus died once for all and your sad efforts create more of a two way for salvation than anything a non-Sabbath keeper has said.

I don't like it when someone says 'shame on you' but for you? I will make an exception.

Shame on you.