The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, although I have learned humility from those who hurt my feelings with their pejorative accusations,
I much prefer friendly discussions. Everything everyone says is their own opinion, and we learn which are worth
more than others by testing them, keeping what seems good and not believing what appears to be evil (per 1Thes. 5:21).

In obeying this instruction of Paul, I have come to value two NT teachings as key points from which to triangulate
or use to guide an interpretation of the Bible and problematic beliefs such as TULIP.

First, God loves and wants to save everyone. Seven Scriptures teaching divine omnilove include: 1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 and 1Tim. 2:3-4, which might be deemed the “7 pearls”. Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (Rom. 5:6-8) including His enemies: those who are ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ, pseudo-Christian (Matt. 7:21, John 8:42-44).

Second, God is just (2Thes. 1:6a, cf. Rom. 3:25-26 & 9:14, Deut. 32:4, Psa. 36:6, Luke 11:42, Rev. 15:3). Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s justice and love for all people (Joel 2:13, John 3:16). This parameter is affirmed in the OT (Psa. 145:17): “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”

Even the wrath of God is an expression of His love/love of justice/righteousness. The writer of Hebrews (Heb. 12:4-11) indicates that divine wrath is intended as discipline for the purpose of teaching people to repent of their hatefulness and faithlessness (Pro. 3:12, Isa. 33:14-15 Rev. 3:19).

If a righteous explanation cannot be found for a passage of Scripture purporting to describe God’s will (such as Joshua 6:17-24, 8:2&24 & 10:28-40, 11:6-23), then IMO it should be considered as historical or descriptive of what people perceived rather than as pedagogical or prescriptive of God’s nature. Unrighteous rage should not be attributed to God.

Over...

“Even the wrath of God is an expression of His love/love of justice/righteousness. “

i would say a result of his righteousness meeting against man’s sin and corruption . His wrath is provoked by mankind who was created to be his likeness and image a good section is here

“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:18-19, 21-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

in sections like this of scriptire there’s so much understanding of the relationship dynamic and why wrath came at all . We really did a lot against him and his creation we kept rejecting him again and again for other things and we chose sin so he let us have it . That chapter there is a good witness to man’s Gid given ability to choose

 

[Inquisitor]

There’s no real reason to try to erase the New Testament for the sake of something that happened but to avoid what the rest of the New Testament says everyone knows jesus died and rose that’s not a reason to reject the rest lol

There appears to be an assumption that I erased the N.T.

I never said that nor did I even imply that?

Here is what Paul said.

1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

How do you read the two verses above?

 

[Inquisitor]

“That one event fulfilled the law and the prophets”

thats ridiculous

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

throughout the gospel prophecies are being. Fuflilled concerning Jesus Christ the sin of God one of which is that Jesus would be the first man to preach the gospel by Gods spirit .

“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah . And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:17-19, 21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One event that highlights the problem some try to use Jesus death to erase his word.

Jesus life from his north on there are fulfillments of the law and prophets probably fifty I can think of right now that literally say “ this happened to fulfill the prophets or law “

This is the one some need to look o to though

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That one’s about Jesus too

The three line gospel of Jesus is the sole reason for your salvation.

There is only one reason that your seated with Jesus in the heavenly realms, the death and
resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Saved by grace through faith and not of yourselves it is a gift of God.

That gift of immortality is not given to anyone that does not believe in the death and
resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Romans 10:9-10
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses,
resulting in salvation.

Is there anything you want to add to this?

 

[GWH]

You need to understand more intently the crucifixion and our absolute reconciliation through His sacrifice for us. That one event fulfilled the law and the prophets and told
us, in no uncertain terms, the extent and depth of God's love for us.
The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the only event in the N.T that saves us.

You need to understand my beliefs more intently, which clearly include:

3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).

However, I see that perhaps I should include Rom. 5:6-8 in the Scripture supporting:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or Creator God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.

So I will add that soon. Thanks!
(BTW, "death and resurrection" are two events.)

 

[GWH]

“Even the wrath of God is an expression of His love/love of justice/righteousness. “

i would say a result of his righteousness meeting against man’s sin and corruption . His wrath is provoked by mankind who was created to be his likeness and image a good section is here

“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:18-19, 21-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

in sections like this of scriptire there’s so much understanding of the relationship dynamic and why wrath came at all . We really did a lot against him and his creation we kept rejecting him again and again for other things and we chose sin so he let us have it . That chapter there is a good witness to man’s Gid given ability to choose

Yes, I just added Rom. 1:18 to my statement:

Even the wrath of God (Rom. 1:18) is an expression of His love.

Thanks!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I don’t try to ignore the rest is how I read them

And to begin with I don’t go only to Paul i start with Jesus

so because Paul said this

“but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i don’t make that the end all and pretend he didn’t preach all the many other things like this

“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

What I’m saying is sinple read what Paul wrote all the way through. There’s alot of doctrine some of you guys are kissing and pretending it doesn’t exist . But it’s essential like

“Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:13-14‬ ‭NIV‬‬

That’s always been true that’s why Paul was still preaching it

“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.


But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Jesus dying and being raised up doesn’t change that truth it reveals who the judge is actually

“In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭

what do you do with that part ? Just pretend pul never taught that or ? That’s my point a verse in one letter out of context doesn’t change any of the true doctrine that Jesus first taught then his apostles all taught later …. The gospel includes Jesus word

If we reject his word there’s no life to be had

 

[Pilgrimshope]

There appears to be an assumption that I erased the N.T.

I never said that nor did I even imply that?

Here is what Paul said.

1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

How do you read the two verses above?

“Here is what Paul said.

1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.”

my point is why not allow the rest of what he said and Jesus said and the other apostles said to be true ?

this is also what Paul said in other places and what is said about Paul in scripture

“and how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:20-21, 25-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

some things paul preached clearly and repeatedly to believers

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16, 19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Awee you seeing the flaw in the idea that oauonorwwched nothing but “ Jesus being crucified ?” His letters are filled with essential doctrine and a lot of it like forninstance baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name , is made effective by the death and resurrection of Jesus in our behalf . The doctrine part was what Paul’s revelations were lol it doesn’t make sense to try to erase everything based on an out of context sentance in a letter when he clearly preached the gospel of the kingdom of God like Jesus had done .

repentance and remission of sins is what Paul also was preaching through Christ and the gospel.

We should look at some popular misconceptions about the apostle Paul and what he was preaching it’s really got a lot of people confused

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, I just added Rom. 1:18 to my statement:

Even the wrath of God (Rom. 1:18) is an expression of His love.

Thanks!

indeed but it’s only there because of mans wickedness and rebellion against what he’s given us we caused his wrath to come upon mankind is what I mean

his righteousness against wickedness creates wrath but if there was no wockedness there would be no wrath

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Gods main requirement for salvation is to be in the state of sanctifying grace.

To be "in a state" does not focus any human response but presents salvation suggests that being saved is the result of an INVOLUNTARY STATE which you call "grace acting upon us"

The term "grace" in such key verses as Ephesians 2:7-8…7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast.…
God's graciousness was The Father's motive in sending the Son to save us. It is an expression of is His abundant love which is priceless and therefore cannot be bought a response is still demanded of us. We must believe and submit to the gospel

In A.T. Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament he writes that Ephesians 2:8...emphasizes that "grace" is God's part" while ""faith is ours. Thus being saved includes both God's gift TO US as well as our response which involves believing and submitting ourselves to Him.

37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 3:38)

Paul added more details when he wrote to the Roman believers about salvation: 8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.
(Romans 10:37-38)

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The three line gospel of Jesus is the sole reason for your salvation.

There is only one reason that your seated with Jesus in the heavenly realms, the death and
resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Saved by grace through faith and not of yourselves it is a gift of God.

That gift of immortality is not given to anyone that does not believe in the death and
resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Romans 10:9-10
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses,
resulting in salvation.

Is there anything you want to add to this?

“Is there anything you want to add to this?”

of course , the rest of what’s there that you are not willing to read or discuss . Other than the three lines you are trying to make a full stop lol

I’d like to also discuss those things and why those other many things aren’t true.

and to be clear no three lines in scriptire isn’t the sole reason for anyone’s salvation Jesus coming into the world with life for mankind is the reason anyone can be saved. He isn’t my scapegoat he’s my Lord

some who confess him as lord should probably consider what he said more

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬


do you recon confessing Jesus as your lord needs to be genuine ? And why would we take a position “ obeying the lord isnt necassary ?” He seems pretty confused why they are calling him lord but not doing anything he said to do . Maybe Jesus and pup think this is true and want people to turn from sin and do righteousness so they don’t perish ?

“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.


But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

I’d like to talk about the rest of what jesus and paul and Peter and then all taught us to believe and live by sure I have additions bro

 

[Pilgrimshope]

To be "in a state" does not focus any human response but presents salvation suggests that being saved is the result of an INVOLUNTARY STATE which you call "grace acting upon us"

The term "grace" in such key verses as Ephesians 2:7-8…7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast.…
God's graciousness was The Father's motive in sending the Son to save us. It is an expression of is His abundant love which is priceless and therefore cannot be bought a response is still demanded of us. We must believe and submit to the gospel

In A.T. Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament he writes that Ephesians 2:8...emphasizes that "grace" is God's part" while ""faith is ours. Thus being saved includes both God's gift TO US as well as our response which involves believing and submitting ourselves to Him.

37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 3:38)

Paul added more details when he wrote to the Roman believers about salvation: 8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.
(Romans 10:37-38)

“9that if you confesswith your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,””

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus being lord means we are his subjects , that very term gives him that honor

“and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The term lord implies a willing obedience. He’s the Lord.

 

[Inquisitor]

“Is there anything you want to add to this?”

of course , the rest of what’s there that you are not willing to read or discuss . Other than the three lines you are trying to make a full stop lol

I’d like to also discuss those things and why those other many things aren’t true.

and to be clear no three lines in scriptire isn’t the sole reason for anyone’s salvation Jesus coming into the world with life for mankind is the reason anyone can be saved. He isn’t my scapegoat he’s my Lord

some who confess him as lord should probably consider what he said more

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬


do you recon confessing Jesus as your lord needs to be genuine ? And why would we take a position “ obeying the lord isnt necassary ?” He seems pretty confused why they are calling him lord but not doing anything he said to do . Maybe Jesus and pup think this is true and want people to turn from sin and do righteousness so they don’t perish ?

“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.


But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

I’d like to talk about the rest of what jesus and paul and Peter and then all taught us to believe and live by sure I have additions bro

So are you saved by a combination of your obedience and Christ's atonement?

 

[Biilybob65]

So are you saved by a combination of your obedience and Christ's atonement?

Does the bible not say over and over that the gospel is to be obeyed?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So are you saved by a combination of your obedience and Christ's atonement?

My belief and hope is that I shall be saved by Jesus when that time comes according to his word in the gospel

But why should i reject the things Jesus taught me to believe and do ? Some of you are really set against any type of accountability or responsability to act accordingly but man that’s a hard hurdle in Christ …the New Testament is all about trying to change your minds to obey God trusting his guidance and acting in it …..

i think probably its that we’re running into this type of a situation

“For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:13-14‬ ‭

but yeah what I believe is the things Jesus and his apostles taught I don’t only believe one thing and try to make that all there is .

i don’t erase or add to anything but things get removed and ignored by people a lot here . Just accepting what Jesus and his witnesses taught is enough to keep me occupied I don’t have time to then explain why it’s all nonsense or not important or relevant the things they are preaching are actually dire is my opinion the doctrine part I mean

 

[Inquisitor]

Does the bible not say over and over that the gospel is to be obeyed?

We are discussing the reason for our salvation.

John 3:15
So that everyone who believes will have eternal life in Him.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him
will not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged
already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 3:36
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son
will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has
eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; the one who comes to Me will not be hungry,
and the one who believes in Me will never be thirsty.

John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged
already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have
eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.

John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.

 

[NightTwister]

Does the bible not say over and over that the gospel is to be obeyed?

Is obeying the gospel what saves you, or is it a result of being saved?

 

[Inquisitor]

My belief and hope is that I shall be saved by Jesus when that time comes according to his word in the gospel

But why should i reject the things Jesus taught me to believe and do ? Some of you are really set against any type of accountability or responsability to act accordingly but man that’s a hard hurdle in Christ …the New Testament is all about trying to change your minds to obey God trusting his guidance and acting in it …..

i think probably its that we’re running into this type of a situation

“For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:13-14‬ ‭

but yeah what I believe is the things Jesus and his apostles taught I don’t only believe one thing and try to make that all there is .

i don’t erase or add to anything but things get removed and ignored by people a lot here . Just accepting what Jesus and his witnesses taught is enough to keep me occupied I don’t have time to then explain why it’s all nonsense or not important or relevant the things they are preaching are actually dire is my opinion the doctrine part I mean

Salvation is given only to those that believe in Jesus and that is the bottom line.

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; the one who believes in Me will live, even if he dies,

John 11:26
And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?
For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law

John 12:44
Now Jesus cried out and said, “The one who believes in Me, does not believe only in Me,
but also in Him who sent Me.

John 12:46
I have come as Light into the world, so that no one who believes in Me will remain in darkness.

John 14:12
Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also;
and greater works than these he will do; because I am going to the Father.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God,
God was pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

 

[GWH]

Is obeying the gospel what saves you, or is it a result of being saved?

both-and
horse>cart
Faith works.
Eph. 2:8-10
Jam. 2:17-18

 

[NightTwister]

both-and
horse>cart
Faith works.
Eph. 2:8-10
Jam. 2:17-18

Your works-righteousness gospel is as bad as your alternate gospel without Jesus.

 

[Inquisitor]

both-and
horse>cart
Faith works.
Eph. 2:8-10
Jam. 2:17-18

Incorrect.

Salvation is always a gift given to those that believe.

We are not talking about the ways to forfeit your salvation.

Our salvation is solely based on the crucifixion of Jesus Christ for our sin.

That crucifixion is called the atonement for our sinful rebellion.

You cannot receive the Holy Spirit unless you believe in Jesus first.

And you cannot walk the Christian walk without the Holy Spirit.

I am shocked that so few people understand the gospel.

There is no such thing as the fuller gospel.

Jesus alone is the alpha and the omega of everything in Christianity.

We boast in Christ alone for salvation.