The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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Its been asked where is the commandment for keeping the Sabbath. While there is no Scripture that says the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated, which is what I personally would be concerned with,

Colossians 2:16-17 says otherwise. I would be concerned with judging Christians who find their 'sabbatismos' rest in Jesus Christ (Hebrews 4:9) in contrast with keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law. (Exodus 31:16-17; 35:1-3; Deuteronomy 5:15)

but sin is not just breaking God's laws 1John3:4 James2:10-11, it is anything that is not of faith. Like keeping 9 commandments when God wrote Ten forgetting the only comamndment God said Remember.

Who did God tell to remember in Exodus 20:8-11? Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought YOU out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. The Israelites.

Moses gives the reason why the sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: "Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought YOU out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God has commanded YOU to observe the Sabbath day." (Deuteronomy 5:15)

The moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 2:7
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the letter of the law. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9.

God clearly wrote Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 and claimed them as "His" Exo20:6 all throughout the entire Bible, God's people keep God's commandments and only He can define His own commandments, not man, because man is not God.

Old Testament, old covenant with Israel. Who is God addressing in Deuteronomy 4:13? See Deuteronomy 4:1 - “Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers is giving you. What about Exodus 34:28? Exodus 34:27 - Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

But lets look at the OT Prophecies and how they came true in the New Covenant

Isa 56:6
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

This prophecy is bringing Gentiles into God's covenant and part of God's house of prayer .

Jesus referred back to this prophecy and referred to His house of prayer as His temple.

Matthew 21:13 – “And He said to them, ‘It is written, “My house shall be called a house of prayer,” but you have made it a den of thieves.’”

In regard to Isaiah 56:6, foreigners were to "join themselves to the Lord;" and "love the name of the Lord;" and "be his servants;" and "take hold of God's covenant." The OLD COVENANT. But to do this they had to be circumcised, for God said: “No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary." (Ezekiel 44:9) When Gentiles thus "joined themselves to the Lord" they ceased being Gentiles and became proselytes to the Jewish religion. They kept the Sabbath AS JEWISH PROSELYTES, NOT as Gentiles.

But where are Gentiles as Gentiles ever commanded to keep the Sabbath? Furthermore, if the Sabbath was of universal application, why were the Gentiles called "strangers?" The apostle Paul, speaking of the Gentiles during the Jewish age, says they were "strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world?" (Ephesians 2:12)

And when God gave the Sabbath commandment at Sinai, why did he make it binding ONLY on "the stranger that is within your gates?" (Exodus 20:10) Where is the passage that proves the Sabbath was binding on the Gentile OUTSIDE the gates? All this shows the Sabbath was NOT universally applied. If it had been, there would have been no "strangers from the covenants of promise."

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[mailmandan]

Why we see both Jews and Gentiles as predicted going to Gods house of prayer for worship every Sabbath

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

In regard to reasoning in the synagogue on the sabbath, starting in Acts 13:42-44 we see that Paul's work here was evangelism. Notice that these were "unbelievers" in Christ before Paul preached to them. Yes, they believed in the Jewish system, but the Bible says in Acts 14:1, that they BECAME believers proving Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were not yet Christians. Acts 13:43 - "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

The Sabbath was not just for Jews, Gentiles are grafted into God's covenant those who want to join themselves to the Lord, to love His name (Him) and serve Him. There was always a provision for Gentiles in the Sabbath commandment Exo 20:8-11 as the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 and was always God's perfect plan before sin Exo 20:11 Gen2:1-3

When Gentiles thus "joined themselves to the Lord" they ceased being Gentiles and became proselytes to the Jewish religion. They kept the Sabbath AS JEWISH PROSELYTES, NOT as Gentiles. Jews and proselytes are not all mankind but are of mankind.

The Sabbath holy convocation Lev 23:3 that God made for all nations does not end on this earth- it continues for eternity Isa 66:22-23

In regard to Isaiah 66:22-23, this simply teaches that from month to month and from week to week, God’s people will worship the Lord. In the new heaven and the new earth, we read there will have no need of the sun or moon, there will be no night there, but one perpetual day and the glory of God will illuminate it. (Revelation 21:23-25).

How then could there be a cycle of seven days that would allow for literally keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law? The Isaiah passage simply means that God’s people will perpetually worship Him in contrast to keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law.

Furthermore, if one insists on weekly sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, then one also needs to observe new moons as well. Yet from what I hear, Sabbatarians don’t observe new moons, which is inconsistent. New moons require night, hence Sabbatarians have night in heaven, yet there is no day and night cycles in heaven. You cannot have "new moon to new moon" or "sabbath days" without day and night.

Will there be Levitical priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the weekly sabbath day under the law in the new heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it's also mentioned. What happened to the Levitical priesthood under the new covenant terms? Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. The old and new covenants do not mix.

The Sabbath relates to God's Identity as the Creator Exo 20:11 the Sanctifier Eze 20:12 shows we are God's people Eze 20:20 what we are called back to in the last days to worship this God Rev 14:7 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3

Now although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath being kept before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

Deuteronomy 5:1 - And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.

The Sabbath didn't disappear in the NT Jesus Himself said it would be kept after His death and part of the prophecy of His return Mat24:20-31 and for eternity Isa66:22-23 part of faith is believing and doing what God says. Why the Sabbath (keeping) remains for the people of God Heb4:9 those who rest in Christ also cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4. God wants us to spiritual rest in Him and rest from our physical works on the Sabbath, we need both. Only God can sanctify a day, only God can sanctify us, both God related to the seventh day Sabbath Exo20:11 Gen2:3 Eze20:12 we cannot sanctify ourselves Isa66:17, we need God. No wonder why He said Remember.

Pure EISEGESIS which culminates in legalism. Same as SDA's.

 

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Hebrews 4:9 - There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Everyone should take note that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used nowhere else in the Bible. I often hear Sabbatarians suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

Sabbath rest (4520) sabbatismos | Greek Word Studies

Hebrews 4:10 says the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Believers have entered in God’s rest through Jesus as God ceased or rested from His works in the seventh day of creation. God's ultimate, true rest did not come through Joshua or Moses, but through Jesus Christ. Joshua led Israel into the promised land, which was merely the earthly rest which was but a shadow of what was involved in the heavenly rest. The rest in Christ that God offers is spiritual and is superior to that which Joshua obtained. Israel's earthly rest was filled with conflict and attacks from their enemies and the daily cycle of work.

Although for centuries the Jews had found their physical rest in a day, the New Covenant takes the focus off the shadows of the Old Testament signs and rituals and reveals their spiritual substance -- the fulfillment/reality—in the person of Jesus Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17) Christians find complete "sabbatismos" rest in Jesus Christ and not in law keeping.

Certain folks still need to find their 'sabbatismos' rest in Christ (Hebrews 4:9) in contrast with trying to find their rest in keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law. (Exodus 31:16-17; 35:1-3; Deuteronomy 5:15)

 

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Colossians 2:16-17 says otherwise. I would be concerned with judging ..

This was addressed in detail

Lets look at Colossians 2 a little closer.

The context starts in verse 14, which is never quoted for some reason.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it

This is speaking of something that was handwritten, that was contrary and against man and was nailed to the Cross.

First, I am going to quote to the words of Jesus Christ, the one whose blood died for us and what did He say about His Sabbath, did He say it was going to end at the Cross.

Jesus speaking here...He connects in His own words that Sabbath would be kept decades after the Cross and connects it to His Second Coming

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be

Jesus said the Sabbath continues in the New Heaven and New Earth

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

So the Sabbath ending at the Cross is not something Jesus taught. Is Paul really countermanding Jesus Christ? Of course not, but we are told this about Paul's writings

2 Peter 3: 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

So lets be careful that we are not making Paul say something against what Christ taught. Jesus never once said the Sabbath commandment ended, not in teaching, not in actions. He kept the Sabbath Luke4:16 and said He is Lord of the Sabbath Mark2:28 what is the point of being Lord of something that no longer exist-the Sabbath ties to His creative power as the God who made heaven and earth Exo20:11 John1:1-3, the only God who has the power to sanctify a day Gen 2:3 the only God who has the power to sanctify us Eze20:12 the only God who has the power to bless a day Exo20:11 and bless us Isa56:2 and what God blesses, man cannot take away Num 23:20 what He does is forever and no one can add or take from it. Ecc 3:14 because man is not God.

So lets look at the context more carefully of Col2:14-17

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
This verse sets up the following verses and gives us a lot more context.


Paul is giving us the context as to what he is speaking about something that is

1. handwritten
2. ordinances
3. against and contrary to us

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark2:27 what God makes for man is not against man. The Sabbath commandment was not "handwritten" it was written by the finger of God which is the Holy Spirit of Truth. Exo31:18. God called the Sabbath one of His commandments, it was not an ordinances handwritten by man. The weekly Sabbath was inside the ark of the covenant and God claimed the Sabbath as "His" "My holy day" Isa58:13 no one can take away God's blessing or the holy day of the Lord thy God.

Paul is clearly speaking of something handwritten, ordinances that was contrary and against.

2 Chr 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

This is something that is handwritten by Moses, not what God wrote that what He does is forever Ecc3:13

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

It what Paul is quoting
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

There is more than one Sabbath in the Scriptures. The weekly Sabbath that started at Creation according to the Testimony of God Exo20:11 this was before sin and points to our Creator so can't be a shadow of anything. There are also the annual sabbath(s) feasts days that have to do with food and drink offering that was handwritten by Moses, that was placed besides the ark, not what was inside the ark, God's Ten Commandments engraved by God Himself.

Jesus came to put an end to animal sacrifices and offerings Dan9:27 which is what the annual sabbaths were about. According to the Testimony of Jesus Christ, the weekly Sabbath continues for eternity. We were told there is a government that changed God's times and laws Dan7:25 that was not Paul, that was what we were warned about that sadly most follow many without even realizing

 

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In regard to reasoning in the synagogue on the sabbath, starting in Acts 13:42-44 we see that Paul's work here was evangelism. Notice that these were "unbelievers" in Christ before Paul preached to them. Yes, they believed in the Jewish system, but the Bible says in Acts 14:1, that they BECAME believers proving Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

So you do not believe gathering with other Christians preaching the word of God, reading the word of God and teaching them about what Jesus did for us is worship. Got it.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were not yet Christians. Acts 13:43 - "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

That's a lot of commentary that is not stated in Scriptures.

These verses certainly do not support the commentary

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

When Gentiles thus "joined themselves to the Lord" they ceased being Gentiles and became proselytes to the Jewish religion. They kept the Sabbath AS JEWISH PROSELYTES, NOT as Gentiles. Jews and proselytes are not all mankind but are of mankind.

Where does it say this in Scripture- I see your words that is saying something different to what God said. God said everyone who loves His name and serves Him and holds fast His covenant and keeps His Sabbath Isa56:6

Isa 56:6“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

God said Remember the Sabbath and holy fast My covenant- man says forget and defile- which voice are we going to listen to.

In regard to Isaiah 66:22-23, this simply teaches that from month to month and from week to week, God’s people will worship the Lord. In the new heaven and the new earth, we read there will have no need of the sun or moon, there will be no night there, but one perpetual day and the glory of God will illuminate it. (Revelation 21:23-25).

Yes coming together on the Sabbath which God said is the seventh day. Exo20:10

How then could there be a cycle of seven days that would allow for literally keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law? The Isaiah passage simply means that God’s people will perpetually worship Him in contrast to keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law.

So you are going to speak for God now and tell Him what He said is wrong? I am pretty sure we are told plainly not to add to His words.

Furthermore, if one insists on weekly sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, then one also needs to observe new moons as well. Yet from what I hear, Sabbatarians don’t observe new moons, which is inconsistent. New moons require night, hence Sabbatarians have night in heaven, yet there is no day and night cycles in heaven. You cannot have "new moon to new moon" or "sabbath days" without day and night.

The word for new moon here means month.

I am not the one speaking here God is.

The KJV translates Strong's H2320 in the following manner: month (254x), new moon (20x), monthly (1x), another (1x).

Will there be Levitical priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the weekly sabbath day under the law in the new heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it's also mentioned. What happened to the Levitical priesthood under the new covenant terms? Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. The old and new covenants do not mix.

So much commentary and not enough of just allowing the Bible to speak for itself.

Now although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath being kept before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 so that would include every man. If you deem yourself not a man, than the Sabbath is not for us.

Deuteronomy 5:1 - And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.

Pure EISEGESIS which culminates in legalism. Same as SDA's.

You are ignoring the "and" part in Neh9:13

A covenant is an agreement, it wasn't the same agreement because God made that Covenant with an entire nation. No where does it ay it has different laws, one would have to add that to God's word to make that argument.

There is too much commentary here to try to reason, I am going to move on and agree to disagree, God will sort this out soon enough.

 

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Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 so that would include every man. If you deem yourself not a man, than the Sabbath is not for us.

Meant to say not for you, not "us" Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath was made for man- the Greek word He used means mankind, the Hebrew word means Adam.

God made the Sabbath for humanity Exo20:11 because mankind cannot bless or sanctify themselves Isa66:17, we need God. Isa59:2 Eze20:12

 

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This was addressed in detail

You mean explained away.

Lets look at Colossians 2 a little closer.

The context starts in verse 14, which is never quoted for some reason.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it

This is speaking of something that was handwritten, that was contrary and against man and was nailed to the Cross.

See post #4,439 - the Sabbath - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

First, I am going to quote to the words of Jesus Christ, the one whose blood died for us and what did He say about His Sabbath, did He say it was going to end at the Cross.

Jesus speaking here...He connects in His own words that Sabbath would be kept decades after the Cross and connects it to His Second Coming

You added your commentary.

Mat 24:20

But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be

How about a little context. Matthew 24:16 - “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. Praying that "your flight not be on the Sabbath or winter" in verse 20 has to do with "let those in Judea flee" in verse 16. Matthew 24:20 applies to those living in Judea. Travel for pregnant and nursing women would be very difficult. Winter cold would make travel extremely difficult along with closed city gates, laws against carrying loads, laws against traveling more than a short distance, laws against buying and selling on the Sabbath. The only reasonable explanation of Jesus' reference to the Sabbath here is that He was concerned with the difficulties these Israelites who still keep the law would face if they were forced to leave Judea on the Sabbath day.

Jesus said the Sabbath continues in the New Heaven and New Earth

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

More commentary. Again, this simply teaches that from month to month and from week to week, God’s people will worship the Lord. Also, if one insists on weekly sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, then one also needs to observe new moons as well. Do you observe new moons? New moons require night, hence Sabbatarians have night in heaven, yet there is no day and night cycles in heaven. You cannot have "new moon to new moon" or "sabbath days" without day and night.

Will there be Levitical priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the weekly sabbath day under the law in the new heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it's also mentioned.

So the Sabbath ending at the Cross is not something Jesus taught. Is Paul really countermanding Jesus Christ? Of course not, but we are told this about Paul's writings

The sabbath is a shadow and Jesus is the substance. (Colossians 2:16-17) You are trying to turn a shadow into a savior. Believers find their 'sabbatismos' rest in Christ (Hebrews 4:9) and not in keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law.

2 Peter 3: 16

as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Be sure to take heed.

So lets be careful that we are not making Paul say something against what Christ taught. Jesus never once said the Sabbath commandment ended, not in teaching, not in actions. He kept the Sabbath Luke4:16 and said He is Lord of the Sabbath Mark2:28 what is the point of being Lord of something that no longer exist-the Sabbath ties to His creative power as the God who made heaven and earth Exo20:11 John1:1-3, the only God who has the power to sanctify a day Gen 2:3 the only God who has the power to sanctify us Eze20:12 the only God who has the power to bless a day Exo20:11 and bless us Isa56:2 and what God blesses, man cannot take away Num 23:20 what He does is forever and no one can add or take from it. Ecc 3:14 because man is not God.

Jesus kept the sabbath day because He was born under the law. (Galatians 4:4-5) Remember when I asked you if you were also a member of "Christian Forums" who goes by the avatar name, "SabbathBlessings" there but you refused to answer me? You just made these exact same arguments on Christian Forums, so no need to answer my question. Mystery solved.

Instead of carpet bombing me with endless arguments why can't you simply discuss 1 or 2 things at a time? Bombarding folks with endless arguments is a tactic often used by SDA's to discourage folks from responding back because of the time factors.

 

[mailmandan]

So you do not believe gathering with other Christians preaching the word of God, reading the word of God and teaching them about what Jesus did for us is worship. Got it.

Straw man argument. You just don't seem to have ears to hear.

 

[mailmandan]

Meant to say not for you, not "us" Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath was made for man- the Greek word He used means mankind, the Hebrew word means Adam.

God made the Sabbath for humanity Exo20:11 because mankind cannot bless or sanctify themselves Isa66:17, we need God. Isa59:2 Eze20:12

If keeping the sabbath day is for ALL of mankind, then these verses are superfluous. (Exodus 31:16-17; 35:1-3; Deuteronomy 5:1-15 etc..)

 

[memberofthebride]

Ah, how the religious pharisee types need something outward to prove how righteous they are. I'm not a Jew. So the Law does not apply to me. I have the life of Christ within me, and He leads me by His Spirit. That leading includes attending church on Sunday.

So what does your sabbath entail? How do you define rest? Do you not turn on a light switch because that would be work? How about making a cup of tea?

You reject the very word of God that you claim to proclaim.You don't get to pick and choose what to believe and what to reject. God does not require gentiles to obey the law. Neither should you.

gidenon

are you aware that you are saying there are two different ways to the gift of eternal life?

one way for Jews and another for gentiles
Show us where Christ taught that.

and that also mean, as i would expect you think of your self as a gentile, that you are not required to repent nor to be baptized--- as that would mean you are "subject to the law" and under the penalty of death.

It would also mean the gentiles have no need for the sacrifice of Christ as that Sacrifice is payment for our sins, no law no sins. 1 John 3; 4

One of the many problems I have with the doctrines of the 40,000 flavors of confusion is they are not only illogical but reject 98% of the WORD of God. they follow the confusion caused by Paul, (about 80 pages out of 1500) they do not follow Jesus Christ.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

If keeping the sabbath day is for ALL of mankind, then these verses are superfluous. (Exodus 31:16-17; 35:1-3; Deuteronomy 5:1-15 etc..)

Israel is part of mankind. Its actually never was literal but being part of God's family.


Exo 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord: “Israel is My son, My firstborn.

If it was literal it would mean Adam.

 

[mailmandan]

Israel is part of mankind. Its actually never was literal but being part of God's family.

Exo 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord: “Israel is My son, My firstborn.

If it was literal it would mean Adam.

The Israelites. You are making this out to be much more complicated than it really is.

 

[Mem]

Speaking of the earthly tabernacle
Hebrews 9
8By this arrangement the Holy Spirit was showing that the way into the Most Holy Placee had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing. 9It is an illustration for the present time, because the gifts and sacrifices being offered were unable to cleanse the conscience of the worshiper. 10They consist only in food and drink and special washings—external regulations imposed until the time of reform.

And speaking of redemption through His Blood

11But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that have come,f He went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made by hands and is not a part of this creation. 12He did not enter by the blood of goats and calves, but He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.

13For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that their bodies are clean, 14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God, purify ourg consciences from works of death, so that we may serve the living God!

15Therefore Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, now that He has died to redeem them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

But let's back up to the introduction of the chapter to see the earthly tabernacle's illustration in regard to the blood's application upon the ark of the covenant.

1Now the first covenanta had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2A tabernacle was prepared. In its first room were the lampstand, the table, and the consecrated bread.b This was called the Holy Place. 3Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place,c 4containing the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. Inside the ark were the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5Above the ark were the cherubim of glory, overshadowing the mercy seat.d But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.

6When everything had been prepared in this way, the priests entered regularly into the first room to perform their sacred duties. 7But only the high priest entered the second room, and then only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.

Well, we know what was placed within the ark, and we know that the cherubim overshadowed the mercy seat, and we know that this is where the high priest would offer that which he could not enter without, the blood.

Why would anyone insist on, disregarding the cherubim, wiping away the blood, and opening up the mercy seat to admire the tablets?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Speaking of the earthly tabernacle
Hebrews 9
8By this arrangement the Holy Spirit was showing that the way into the Most Holy Placee had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing. 9It is an illustration for the present time, because the gifts and sacrifices being offered were unable to cleanse the conscience of the worshiper. 10They consist only in food and drink and special washings—external regulations imposed until the time of reform.

And speaking of redemption through His Blood

11But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that have come,f He went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made by hands and is not a part of this creation. 12He did not enter by the blood of goats and calves, but He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.

13For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that their bodies are clean, 14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God, purify ourg consciences from works of death, so that we may serve the living God!

15Therefore Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, now that He has died to redeem them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

But let's back up to the introduction of the chapter to see the earthly tabernacle's illustration in regard to the blood's application upon the ark of the covenant.

1Now the first covenanta had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2A tabernacle was prepared. In its first room were the lampstand, the table, and the consecrated bread.b This was called the Holy Place. 3Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place,c 4containing the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. Inside the ark were the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5Above the ark were the cherubim of glory, overshadowing the mercy seat.d But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.

6When everything had been prepared in this way, the priests entered regularly into the first room to perform their sacred duties. 7But only the high priest entered the second room, and then only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.

Well, we know what was placed within the ark, and we know that the cherubim overshadowed the mercy seat, and we know that this is where the high priest would offer that which he could not enter without, the blood.

Why would anyone insist on, disregarding the cherubim, wiping away the blood, and opening up the mercy seat to admire the tablets?

Because the earthy temple was just a miniature of God's heavenly temple Heb8:1-5 where God's Testimony is under His mercy seat where justice and mercy will come together soon Rev15:5 Rev 11:18-19 James2:11-12 and He tells us in His Testimony who He shows mercy to Exo20:6

Why would we not want to do what God asks of us if we love Him. Why do we think its okay to worship other gods, or vain His name or bow to idols or break His holy Sabbath day, or steal from our neighbor, or murder, or covet? God's law is perfect for converting the soul Psa19:7 it is holy, just and good Rom7:12 just like our God who wrote them Exo31:18 for our benefit 1John5:3 as we are to be like Him.

 

[Mem]

Because the earthy temple was just a miniature of God's heavenly temple Heb8:1-5 where God's Testimony is under His mercy seat where justice and mercy will come together soon Rev15:5 Rev 11:18-19 James2:11-12

Jesus, our High Priest, has entered into the heavenly tabernacle and applied His Blood upon that mercy seat. His blood has sealed it. If you as much as touched the earthly you would die

, 14how much more will the blood of Christ,

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Jesus, our High Priest, has entered into the heavenly tabernacle and applied His Blood upon that mercy seat. His blood has sealed it. If you as much as touched the earthly you would die

And what is under His mercy seat? Exo25:21 The old sanctuary system was teaching us the plan of salvation of what happens in His heavenly sanctuary. Not the blood of animals that covers our sins, but the blood of Christ. Sin is still breaking the law of God 1John3:4 James2:11 hence why its under His mercy seat where justice and mercy will come together soon, why we see it revealed at the 7th trumpet Rev11:18-19. Man wants to do away with the Testimony and Law of God Exo31:18, God did not. Rev 14:12 No one is going to be breaking God's Laws in heaven Rev22:14 including the Sabbath Isa66:23

 

[Mem]

And what is under His mercy seat? Exo25:21 The old sanctuary system was teaching us the plan of salvation of what happens in His heavenly sanctuary.

Have you read the account of the jar of manna being placed beside the ark, as representative of a reminder that God provided their sabbath while wandering in the wilderness? How many days did they eat of the manna? Everyday.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Have you read the account of the jar of manna being placed beside the ark, as representative of a reminder that God provided their sabbath while wandering in the wilderness? How many days did they eat of the manna? Everyday.

They gathered manna 6 days but had a double proportion on the preparation day, for the Sabbath.

It doesn't change any of the Scriptures I posted.

 

[Mem]

They gathered manna 6 days but had a double proportion on the preparation day, for the Sabbath.

And it doesn't change any of the Scriptures I posted.

How do you know you have not placed yourself under the sabbath curse.

 

[Mem]

How do you know you have not placed yourself under the sabbath curse.

In judging others according to the ordinance of the sabbath, you will be judged according to the ordinance of the sabbath. So, you'd best keep it, and perfectly.