We who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither jew or gentile. We are all one in Christ and heirs according to the promise through faith.
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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I never said Sabbath breaking is the reason they wandered around for 40 years in the wilderness, they did so because they disobeyed God. I said why many of the Israelites never entered the promise land of rest after wondering around for 40 years and its not me saying the reason why, its God.
Eze 20:15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.
I would not trust 'gotquestions' over careful and prayerful study of the Word of God.
Hebrews?
18For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and thatg is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom, and storm; 19to a trumpet blast or to a voice that made its hearers beg that no further word be spoken. 20For they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned.”h 21The sight was so terrifying that even Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”i
22Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels 23in joyful assembly, to the congregation of the firstborn, enrolled in heaven. You have come to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
You going to play these kinds of games? I use Got Questions when I figure a person needs a very simple answer.
You have no intention of an honest exchange or you would not ignore the rather detailed scripture responses I posted in your direction. Unless you are several thousand years old, God was not speaking to you through Moses from the mountain
Please study more and pay particular attention to the New Covenant through Jesus.
You say that but do not address them yourself. I guess you do that so that you can continue to live in the OT and slaughter animals for forgiveness of sin
Not really a response to the Scriptures that was posted so I am assuming you are going on to another argument? We can talk about the New Covenant if you would like and what God established His New Covenant on, but you may not like what God had to say about it.
Sorry I do not take gotquestions over what the word of God says. I hope you are not equating what man says as equal to what God says.
You haven't really presented any Biblical argument or responded to any Scriptures that was posted. You posted a link to a commentary which is not the same as God's Word. You might take the words of what others says as the authority, but I think we need to be like the Bereans to search the Scriptures to see if these things were so.
I am only interested in Scripture not a debate on insults, so I will agree to disagree and wish you well.
Nah. You have but one thing you want to talk about and saying I have posted no scripture is not true. You disagree with scripture and refuse all scripture that plainly shows you to be wrong.
But I tell you what. You go ahead and have a great time discussing your Sabbath worship while ignoring any and all scripture that indicates you are not obedient to the actual Bible.
When someone pretends things and does not actually deal with what another person posts or says, it is obvious they are playing games so I'm just going to leave you to play those games with people who might have the inclination to do that. That would not be me.Nah. You have but one thing you want to talk about and saying I have posted no scripture is not true. You disagree with scripture and refuse all scripture that plainly shows you to be wrong.
But I tell you what. You go ahead and have a great time discussing your Sabbath worship while ignoring any and all scripture that indicates you are not obedient to the actual Bible.
Do you care to address what God said why the Israelites did not enter their rest into the promise land after 40 years of wondering around in the wilderness? You said it wasn't about Sabbath-keeping yet God speaking here said something different. You have accused me of a lot of things and that's fine, but it still doesn;t address the Scriptures.
Eze 20: 12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them. 13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.
Eze 20:15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.
God in His own words relates breaking the Sabbath as rebellion and going after idols. and the reason why the Israelites did not enter their rest Heb4:6 which we are told not to follow their same path of disobedience Heb4:11
Ah, how the religious pharisee types need something outward to prove how righteous they are. I'm not a Jew. So the Law does not apply to me. I have the life of Christ within me, and He leads me by His Spirit. That leading includes attending church on Sunday.
So what does your sabbath entail? How do you define rest? Do you not turn on a light switch because that would be work? How about making a cup of tea?
You reject the very word of God that you claim to proclaim.You don't get to pick and choose what to believe and what to reject. God does not require gentiles to obey the law. Neither should you.
Simply because they denounce going to church on Sunday.
If we are in the end times then Sunday attendance is the mark of the beast.
Nearly the entire Christian world goes to church on Sunday.
Further, they promote the idea that everyone is under the law.
They promote division within the Christian community which is a work of the flesh.
They don't read the scripture they interpret the scripture so that it supports their belief.
On and on it goes, their error is clear even to AI.
That Pharisees never kept the law of God, why Jesus condemned them, they relied on their own traditions over the commandments of God, laying aside the commandments for their own rules, many people follow this path, sadly. Mat15:1-14 Mark7:7-13
The Sabbath is not my Sabbath, it is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo20:10 that Jesus is Lord of Mat2:28. Personally I would hold more respect, to what God blessed, sanctified and God called, the holy day of the Lord Isa58:13 but we are in the times we were warned about 2 Tim 4:3-4. Sunday sacredness is not in the Bible, only God can bless and sanctify a day and sanctify us- God only rewarded to the Sabbath, which is the seventh day. Sunday is a tradition of man, not a commandment of God.
The Holy Spirit will never lead us away to what God said. The Holy Spirit of Truth is who wrote the Ten Commandments.
Typo- not “rewarded” the Sabbath but meant to say sanctified the Sabbath day. Gen2:3 Exo20:11.
Why is there no command in the New Testament for Christians to keep the sabbath day holy? When the New Testament lists sins, sabbath breaking is notably absent. In Mark 7:21-22, there are 13 sins are listed, and Jesus did not mention breaking the sabbath. In Romans 1:29-32, there are 20 sins listed and not one of them is sabbath breaking. In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, there are 10 sins listed and no mention of breaking the sabbath. In Galatians 5:19-21, there are 15 sins listed with no mention of sabbath breaking. In 2 Timothy 3:1-4, there are 18 sins listed, but not once is sabbath breaking mentioned.
Sabbath keeping with all its rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:13; Leviticus 23:2-3, 32; 24:8; Numbers 15:32-36) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.
Romans 14:5 - One man regards one day above another; another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind.
Galatians 4:9-11 - But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.
Colossians 2:16-17 - Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day–things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Christians find their 'sabbatismos' rest in Jesus Christ (Hebrews 4:9) in contrast with keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law. (Exodus 31:16-17; 35:1-3; Deuteronomy 5:15)
Now who was Exodus 20:8-11 addressed to? Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought YOU out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. The Israelites.
Moses gives the reason why the sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: "Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought YOU out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God has commanded YOU to observe the Sabbath day." (Deuteronomy 5:15)
Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: "The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested." (Exodus 31:16-17)
Charlie Kirk’s Final Message to America: “If I have to work on Saturday, I take Sunday as my Sabbath”
… The entire Charlie Kirk phenomenon—his media presence, his influence in conservative circles, his Turning Point USA empire, and now the release of his final book—is being used to promote what is being called his “final message to America.” That message is simple and direct: if America is going to survive, we must return to a weekly Sabbath rest. Erica Kirk reinforces this agenda by testifying that the Sabbath “saved” her husband’s life and insists that it could also save the nation.
Seventh Day Adventists don't sound so happy about Charlie Kirk's beliefs on the sabbath.
The problem, however, is that the Sabbath they advocate is generic, meaning the day can refer to Saturday or Sunday, depending on personal preferences. In their public statements and in Charlie’s book, they openly discuss “adjusting” the Sabbath and even alternating between rest days. This is not accidental because it makes the concept of a national Sabbath acceptable to a wider audience, regardless of denomination lines or doctrinal beliefs.
But this is precisely where the danger lies. Once the Sabbath is detached from God’s commandment and turned into an adjustable practice, it becomes much easier to introduce a counterfeit day of worship in place of the true. And in the context of America’s religious and political climate—where Christian nationalism is rapidly advancing Sunday as a unifying day of rest—the publicity surrounding Charlie Kirk’s book will certainly be used to elevate the counterfeit Sabbath: Sunday, the very institution that Scripture warns would become the papal mark of apostasy.
The Kirks are helping to create the political momentum needed to reintroduce a “Sabbath” to American life—but one that is not rooted in God’s law. Instead, it paves the way for the nation to embrace the long-foretold Sunday institution, fulfilling prophecy and setting the stage for the final crisis.
Charlie Kirk’s Final Message to America: “If I have to work on Saturday, I take Sunday as my Sabbath” | Advent Messenger
Its been asked where is the commandment for keeping the Sabbath. While there is no Scripture that says the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated, which is what I personally would be concerned with, but sin is not just breaking God's laws 1John3:4 James2:10-11, it is anything that is not of faith. Like keeping 9 commandments when God wrote Ten forgetting the only comamndment God said Remember.
God clearly wrote Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 and claimed them as "His" Exo20:6 all throughout the entire Bible, God's people keep God's commandments and only He can define His own commandments, not man, because man is not God.
But lets look at the OT Prophecies and how they came true in the New Covenant
Isa 56:6
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
This prophecy is bringing Gentiles into God's covenant and part of God's house of prayer .
Jesus referred back to this prophecy and referred to His house of prayer as His temple.
Matthew 21:13 – “And He said to them, ‘It is written, “My house shall be called a house of prayer,” but you have made it a den of thieves.’”
Why we see both Jews and Gentiles as predicted going to Gods house of prayer for worship every Sabbath
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
The Sabbath was not just for Jews, Gentiles are grafted into God's covenant those who want to join themselves to the Lord, to love His name (Him) and serve Him. There was always a provision for Gentiles in the Sabbath commandment Exo 20:8-11 as the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 and was always God's perfect plan before sin Exo 20:11 Gen2:1-3
The Sabbath holy convocation Lev 23:3 that God made for all nations does not end on this earth- it continues for eternity Isa 66:22-23
The Sabbath relates to God's Identity as the Creator Exo 20:11 the Sanctifier Eze 20:12 shows we are God's people Eze 20:20 what we are called back to in the last days to worship this God Rev 14:7 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3
The Sabbath didn't disappear in the NT, Jesus Himself said it would be kept after His death and part of the prophecy of His return Mat24:20-31 and for eternity Isa66:22-23 part of faith is believing and doing what God says. Why the Sabbath (keeping) remains for the people of God Heb4:9 those who rest in Christ also cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4. God wants us to spiritual rest in Him and rest from our physical works on the Sabbath, we need both. Only God can sanctify a day, only God can sanctify us, both God related to the seventh day Sabbath Exo20:11 Gen2:3 Eze20:12 we cannot sanctify ourselves Isa66:17, we need God. No wonder why He said Remember.
God clearly wrote Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 and claimed them as "His" Exo20:6 all throughout the entire Bible, God's people keep God's commandments and only He can define His own commandments, not man, because man is not God.
But lets look at the OT Prophecies and how they came true in the New Covenant
Isa 56:6
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
This prophecy is bringing Gentiles into God's covenant and part of God's house of prayer .
Jesus referred back to this prophecy and referred to His house of prayer as His temple.
Matthew 21:13 – “And He said to them, ‘It is written, “My house shall be called a house of prayer,” but you have made it a den of thieves.’”
Why we see both Jews and Gentiles as predicted going to Gods house of prayer for worship every Sabbath
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
The Sabbath was not just for Jews, Gentiles are grafted into God's covenant those who want to join themselves to the Lord, to love His name (Him) and serve Him. There was always a provision for Gentiles in the Sabbath commandment Exo 20:8-11 as the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 and was always God's perfect plan before sin Exo 20:11 Gen2:1-3
The Sabbath holy convocation Lev 23:3 that God made for all nations does not end on this earth- it continues for eternity Isa 66:22-23
The Sabbath relates to God's Identity as the Creator Exo 20:11 the Sanctifier Eze 20:12 shows we are God's people Eze 20:20 what we are called back to in the last days to worship this God Rev 14:7 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3
The Sabbath didn't disappear in the NT, Jesus Himself said it would be kept after His death and part of the prophecy of His return Mat24:20-31 and for eternity Isa66:22-23 part of faith is believing and doing what God says. Why the Sabbath (keeping) remains for the people of God Heb4:9 those who rest in Christ also cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4. God wants us to spiritual rest in Him and rest from our physical works on the Sabbath, we need both. Only God can sanctify a day, only God can sanctify us, both God related to the seventh day Sabbath Exo20:11 Gen2:3 Eze20:12 we cannot sanctify ourselves Isa66:17, we need God. No wonder why He said Remember.