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There's no such thing as a Palestinian or Palestinian people.. Arafat is the one who made that up.
You obviously don't know the history of Gaza. It has never been inhabited by Israel, except for a few settlements after the '67 war.
Yes, a consequence of the 1967 war. It is normal for nations to capture and keep territory during a war. Israelites lived in Gaza until 2005. Around 9,000 Israelis were forced to leave Gaza.
Of course, the hypocrites of the West claimed that Gaza was "occupied" and many still assert that Israel controls Gaza. Even if true, it is irrelevant. I will change my mind about Israel's "occupation" when America hands back all the territory that it captured from Mexico.
Yes, a consequence of the 1967 war. It is normal for nations to capture and keep territory during a war. Israelites lived in Gaza until 2005. Around 9,000 Israelis were forced to leave Gaza.
Of course, the hypocrites of the West claimed that Gaza was "occupied" and many still assert that Israel controls Gaza. Even if true, it is irrelevant. I will change my mind about Israel's "occupation" when America hands back all the territory that it captured from Mexico.
Debating with some people can be much like publicly exposing a lemming as a lemming when everyone already knows it's a lemming.
How did you get to be this simple minded?
Do you really think that the Clintons and the Israelis really intended to give away free power to Arafat?
Have you ever looked at that deal in any detail?
It offered nothing good to the Palestinians.
It is "normal" to start wars in order to capture and keep territory.
"Normal" people normally make the same mistake.
They think that when they leave their bodies they are no longer accountable.
Really says something when MAGA-type folk use Hillary Clinton to support their position
Thought I'd use hillary because it seems that's the camp you advocate.
You tell me what have the so called Palestinians brought to the table that even remotely contributes as fruitful to middle east?
They are squatters at best, even there Arab countries consider them untrustworthy. That's why no one stepped in to give them refuge.
In fact Egypt built a wall to keep the out.
They are a product of bad choices, they are a people that are used as a pawn to further Islamic terrorism. Which is totally against the God of the Bible.
You tell me when they have brought peace and stability to anywhere they squatted. Or contributes to a positive for the region.
Celebrating death to all who do not see the world as they do is hardly something to pick up a torch for.
You tell me which side of death do there dead rest knowing God's judgment? The heart of these people have been tainted with the lies of the adversary. Seems harsh to say but that's the cruel truth. Unless there heart change there will be no change for these people as well as for all others. That's where I stand.
Your advocating social justice, is that a biblical perspective? A inclusion of people who hate our God and have acted on that hate to promote Islamic ideology? Which seems to be the cancer spreading to other nations.
We are to take a biblical approach to this and all situations that our God is just and righteousness that he takes no joy in the death of the wicked yet ...it does come to pass.
Not only for these people but as a warning to the world...... his word will not return void.
Read your Bible people ....look up Gaza....this is not the first time Gaza has been in the cross hairs.
The left and the right of politics are both brain traps.
They are designed to make all descent manageable by the same people.
You show a lot of antisemitism against Palestinians there.
Yes, they were fruitful before they were attacked.
They produced and exported oranges and olive oil soap.
Better than that, when left alone they produced peace in the middle east, a thing that we have not known since Zionism.
Even better than that they gave us the earliest Christians.
The Armenian Christians have there history in Palestine, and have preserved many early manuscripts and the earliest translations of the New Testament.
At the time my grandparents lived there, Palestine has a strong and healthy Christian population.
You do not get treated well in Israel because you are Christian, but because you are a an American.
Palestinian and Armenian Christians are heavily persecuted by Israelis.
Western countries together with Israel promote Islamic extremism.
Isis had American protection in Syria and their wounded were treated in Israeli hospitals.
The new Syrian boss was the former boss of Al-qaeda.
Hamas was supported by "Israel" and Hezbollah was a response to "Israel's" preemptive attack on Lebanon.
Surely we do not need to Sunday school you to see that Jesus advocates for social justice.
Do you really thing that anyone has a free ticket to commit crimes against Muslims?
Jesus advocates for social justice? All are one In Christ Jesus. There is no other God than the God of the bible. those that were not found in the book of life were cast into the pit.
God has made it perfectly clear even to his own people there will be no other gods before him.
Yes we are to live peacefully with all but not under the threat of genocide. This is what gaza has turned to with the influence and control of hamas. There may have been a time back with your grandparents but that is gone. Jesus spoke of the days when children will rise up even against there own parents. Far and few remember the times you have presented. This whole world is under attack but it seems that no one sees that
We are to come out from among them, to stand for Christ and him alone. Only by Jesus are we saved.
The land of Israel belongs to God. Him alone. He will give it to whom he pleases. In fact God owns all the world and directs every step of the events that take place on the whole planet. He has placed it in the hands of his chosen regardless of how you define it.
All needs to come to pass. That is the biblical perspective.
The blood of Jesus Christ has purchased all the earth for only the lamb of God was worthy to open the seals which are known as the deed of the earth. Thats the biblical perspective.
Go ahead waste your time on your social justice stance but the King is on his way back to claim what is his.
what will he find us doing?
The word righteousness means justice. Jesus isn't interested in your religion; he wants you to do justice.
Hopefully God will have mercy on your hard heart and give you repentance before you have to face the consequences of cheering on the persecutors of his brothers and sisters. God will judge you as you judge these. Show mercy to them or you will get none from God.
"We Palestinian Christians are deeply shocked by the positions of many churches that either adopted the colonizer’s narrative or remain silent in the face of the genocide of our people. "
Palestinian Christians offer “Kairos,” an alternative Christmas Day sermon
https://israelpalestinenews.org/pal...-christmas-day-sermon-not-a-ceasefire-day-76/
He has showed you, man, what is good and what YHWH requires of you: to do justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
Hints of scripture helps us more fully understand that Israel not national, but elect remnant Israel that was within the nation are the same. Now Paul says that God had not cast away His People that He foreknew Rom 11:2
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
Who he identifies as the election of grace remnant in Vs 5-7
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel[national] hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election[Israel remnant] hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
So remnant Israel are the ones God foreknew as His People. So they are the other Israel in Rom 9:6
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel[remnant], which are of Israel[national]:
Now remember Paul earlier in the same letter wrote of the same foreknown in Rom 8:28-29
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
This passage is in reference to the Church. His specific dissertation about national israel had not yet begun. So the foreknown of God in both Rom 8:29 and Rom 11:2 are the same people, and we know Paul identified them as Remnant Israel in Rom 11:5-6 the election of grace. So both references are elect remnant israel and the church ! That's the mystery.
How confusing it would be to the readers of this epistle if Gods foreknown were different people in Rom 8:29 from Rom 11:2 but its not confusing if we understand they are one and the same, which I believe Paul Illustrated beautifully in Rom 11 with the Olive Tree discourse Rom 11:16-26
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
Who he identifies as the election of grace remnant in Vs 5-7
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel[national] hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election[Israel remnant] hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
So remnant Israel are the ones God foreknew as His People. So they are the other Israel in Rom 9:6
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel[remnant], which are of Israel[national]:
Now remember Paul earlier in the same letter wrote of the same foreknown in Rom 8:28-29
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
This passage is in reference to the Church. His specific dissertation about national israel had not yet begun. So the foreknown of God in both Rom 8:29 and Rom 11:2 are the same people, and we know Paul identified them as Remnant Israel in Rom 11:5-6 the election of grace. So both references are elect remnant israel and the church ! That's the mystery.
How confusing it would be to the readers of this epistle if Gods foreknown were different people in Rom 8:29 from Rom 11:2 but its not confusing if we understand they are one and the same, which I believe Paul Illustrated beautifully in Rom 11 with the Olive Tree discourse Rom 11:16-26
The absence of justice is rightly called evil.
Jesus is not the same person that Christian Zionists have replaced Him with,
Matthew 7:16-20
King James Version
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
All injustice (ἀδικία) is sin: and there is sin not unto death. 1 John 5:17
G93 ἀδικία adikia (a-d̮iy-kiy'-a) n.1. (legally) injustice.
2. (properly) the quality of being unjust.
3. (by implication) the act of injustice.
They can lie all the want to, history proves what they are saying is false, 3000 years of it. None of them are archaeologists, experts in any field having to do with the ME, as much as they like to think they are. All kinds of proof, historical/political/ Biblical has proven them flat out wrong but they pat each other on the back and say " I believe your lies, let's play dumb and pretend we don't know the truth". Then they scream and call names and insult anyone who doesn't agree with their fabrications. They are a lot like... radical Liberals.
Like I said before, arguing with these types of people is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how right you are the bird is going to poo on the board and strut around like it won anyway.
Seriously the truth doesn't seem to matter on a Christian forum. Not to them. No sir, they will turn around and accuse you of what they are doing every single time. God Himself could come down and point out the truth and they'd mock Him like they mock us.
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