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Spiritual Israel is represented by Jacob/Israel. God changed Jacob's name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel. (Gen 33:28). (Isa 41:8) (Isa 43:1) (Isa 44::1) (Isa 44:21) (Isa 45:4) (Isa 46:3-4) (Isa 48:1) Most of Jacob/Israel turned away from God and began to worship idols, therefore, God blinded their eyes to know the truths of the doctrine of Jesus, but God left in the midst of them a remnant who have been revealed The truths of the doctrine of Jesus.
To me , Other than the term “ spiritual israel “ sounds pretty on point .

The remnant promised in the ot were the isralites who believed , having been pre chosen by the lord to advance his doctrine from Israel to the rest of humanity .

“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

even today we read accounts of the fruit they bore the New Testament being the biggest piece
 
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Spiritual Israel doesn't mean invisible ethereal Israel, but Israel that is ruled by the spirit, ie those who walk according to the spirit rather than the flesh.


It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Flesh command v spiritual command

And so Jesus begins to speak to the people

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:


but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If walk according to the spiritual command of Christ Jesus , there’s never going to be the motivation to commit adultery with our flesh which is a carnal action commited by the person with thier flesh , thier body but the way to obey God is to walk after and heed the words Christ is teaching us . That way we’ll never want to commit adultery because we are repentant of the lust in the first place . We can’t sit around watching pornography or lusting after a woman at work imagining how attractive she is to us imagining what it would be like ect

“Jesus nips it in the bud “ he’s teaching us how to operate within our body , but according to his spirit that is with us as we hear and believe the gospel and begin to follow after Jesus and his ways that are so much better than telling people “ don’t commit the adultery that’s burning constantly in your heart just resist and don’t do it or else “

That cannot ever help or change us within. It Jesus doctrine is about fixing this part

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus words are targeting the issues of corruption within us if we begin to think of Gods word telling us “ if you look at another person with lust and wrong intentions in your heart , you need to repent because you’ve sinned in your heart . “ like Jesus taught rather than teaching sinners who are corrupt “not to sin “ or else “

jesus doctrine is the solution to the problems the law exposed in mankinds weak and pitiful fallen nature wheras we fall captive and are dominated by sin on our own it just becomes part of life normal . But it still leads mankind to death and Jesus came to change how we understand and view God the “ spirit of our mind “ how we understand him and his Will and how to overcome and eliminate so many pitfalls within us

if we follow after Christ and his words and ways we learn as we abide more and more there’s eternal life at the end of the path and a promise from our creator and savior that he will see us through if we just hold on and follow after what he’s teaching us he’s able to change so much we cannot because our minds are corrupt from the world

“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, ( hearing and believing the gospel does this )that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭

if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; ( the gospel teaches us the right way to understand God and ourselves ) and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The spiritual doctrine is the New Testament the carnal commandments are the old before the spirit of Christ Jesus the son , was given to mankind through the gospel
 
"God is not done with Israel yet."


The statement is similar to "climate change" in that it has become very popular just for its vagueness.
Standing in front of a congregation full of people with conflicting ideas about what they think God would call "Israel", and diverse expectations of what He will do with it, the statement can be safely proclaimed.
All the heads will nod in meerly mouthed agreement while all the minds understand the statement differently.
Having set the psychological atmosphere of consent, the next step is to proceed gently but firmly in introducing the brain virus.

And yes, the climate definitely does change.
The sun sets and the moon orbits the earth. God keeps His word. Israel will cease when the new heavens and new earth replace the existing order. Otherwise, God is a liar.
 
Muslims in non majority Muslim countries:

Europe 46 million (6% of the population)
UK 4 million (6% of the population)
America 4.5 million (1.3%)
Australia 1 million (3.2%)

I've left out nations that have had a large Muslim population for centuries such as India.

Islam is utterly incompatible with Western and Christian values. Their leaders continually say that they have come to take over, not take part. The UK is in effect a Muslim state. Saying anything negative about Islam will get you arrested. Some European countries are waking up to the threat. 8 cities in the UK are ruled by Muslim mayors. Some districts are 80% Muslim.

I've not heard of Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist or Taoism terrorists. I hear plenty about Muslim terrorists. I did not make up the phrase, "First the Saturday then the Sunday people." That is a Middle Eastern proverb.

A number of American cities are controlled by Muslims. And that is with a very small Muslim population relative to America overall. London, UK has been nicknamed "Londonistan". It's Mayor tried to ban Christmas celebrations this year.

The people with their heads in the sand are those who refuse to accept the threat that radical Islam poses. It is no coincidence that marchers in Australia were shouting "death to Israel" and "gas the Jews" before a terror attack was launched. We have laws against incitement. White supremacists and neo Nazis have been prosecuted for hate speech. Muslim hatred has been ignored.

In Melbourne, a couple of Jewish people were simply having coffee. The police demanded that they move on. Why? There was a pro Palestine demonstration nearby. The police were not interested in protecting the rights of Jews. Fortunately, the police have been forced to back down.

This is the "boiling frog" technique used by Muslims in the West. Little by little, the rights of the individual are being subordinated to Islam. It's not Islamophobia. Fear of Islam is entirely justified.

I have nothing against individual Muslims. My heart specialist is a Muslim, as is the Cardiovascular head at the local hospital. They are fine. The specialist is a woman who touched my ankle to see if it was swollen. That is anathema to traditional Islam. It's not the decent, normal Muslims who are the problem. It is the radicals and they have way too much influence.

If Christians do not see the danger they will not pray. And that is giving opportunity for the devil to get his way. Ignorance is not bliss. It is dangerous.


Does God say in the Bible what He will do about them? He won't let them continue to hurt and kill other people forever...


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Does God say in the Bible what He will do about them? He won't let them continue to hurt and kill other people forever...


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True, and Islam is a work of the devil that Jesus came to destroy. However, God requires the cooperation of His people. The nations that suffer most from Islam's incursions are those where the church has declined. The UK is a good example (I'm English, btw). Outwardly, it is a Christian nation still. In reality, it is dominated by Muslim interests to the extent that Christians are persecuted and harassed.

Recently, believers have risen up in protest. The Muslim mayor of London was forced to back down when he tried to cancel Christmas celebrations. Will it be enough? I hope so. I pray so daily.
 
The sun sets and the moon orbits the earth. God keeps His word. Israel will cease when the new heavens and new earth replace the existing order. Otherwise, God is a liar.

We have already been over that a lot of times.
It is a case of mistaken identity, as you got the wrong Israel.
Little point in saying that though, because it is apparent that modern Israel is the foundation of your faith.
The Bible comes second, although it seems to have "useful" bits, like everything about the second temple restoration, that can be recycled for the cause.
If this is an unfair assessment of your religion, it does not appear so to me.
How is it that none in your camp have yet provided your alternative explanation of Galatians 3:16?
There are many passages in the NT that say the same thing in other words, but it is beneath the dignity of modern Israel patriots to explain any of them to us low lives.
Such are the delusions of your imagined moral superiority.
The closest thing we get by way of an answer is "whatever".
 
The true date is 5990...I agree with this. It's as close as I've found from a few Jewish brothers.

My big guess is the Lord returns between 2033 and 2043. The later more likely.
 
True, and Islam is a work of the devil that Jesus came to destroy. However, God requires the cooperation of His people. The nations that suffer most from Islam's incursions are those where the church has declined. The UK is a good example (I'm English, btw). Outwardly, it is a Christian nation still. In reality, it is dominated by Muslim interests to the extent that Christians are persecuted and harassed.

Recently, believers have risen up in protest. The Muslim mayor of London was forced to back down when he tried to cancel Christmas celebrations. Will it be enough? I hope so. I pray so daily.

If Britain was able to fix its problem of excessive Zionist control, it would be able to fix it's Muslim immigration problems very easily.
If they are nice keep them, if they are naughty send them to "Israel".
The problem can't be fixed because Zionists are benefiting too much from the cultural clash.
Muslim countries have to control extremist sects too, or else they do not survive.
 

This is terrible and I do not for one minute think this should be celebrated or applauded for any reason.
But to refresh my memory wasn't this once given to the Palestinians with a productive infrastructure. With housing and flourishing gardens?
Did this happen to the people who celebrated 9/11 and all the attacks against israel?
Who thought it best to teach there children to hate jews and how to kill them. To promote and condone violence against Israel?
Who allowed tunneling for the sake of weapons to be stored underneath hospitals and schools?
Who elected a terrorist organization to govern the people? Who's own humanitarian people took part in the capture and hostage holding of Oct 7?
Then lied and said they had no idea this was happening?
 
This is terrible and I do not for one minute think this should be celebrated or applauded for any reason.
But to refresh my memory wasn't this once given to the Palestinians with a productive infrastructure. With housing and flourishing gardens?
Did this happen to the people who celebrated 9/11 and all the attacks against israel?
Who thought it best to teach there children to hate jews and how to kill them. To promote and condone violence against Israel?
Who allowed tunneling for the sake of weapons to be stored underneath hospitals and schools?
Who elected a terrorist organization to govern the people? Who's own humanitarian people took part in the capture and hostage holding of Oct 7?
Then lied and said they had no idea this was happening?

lol says this is terrible and then proceeds to justify it. So typical
 
Has the Church replaced Israel, God forbid, the Church the Body of Christ is Israel to which the Promises are made. No the Church isnt the physical nation which is called Israel, but that remnant Israel according to the election of grace. Remember Two Israels are mentioned in Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: One of these Israels is the then existing Physical nation, and the other is a remnant of that nation according to the election of Grace in Christ.

Paul distinguishes them once again here in Rom 11:1-7


I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew{Remnant Israel]. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel[national] hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election[remnant Israel/Church] hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded[national Israel].

So the Two Israels are National a physical nation, Spiritual Israel a Chosen remnant according to the Election of Grace, which I contend is the Church Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4
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Has the Church replaced Israel, God forbid, the Church the Body of Christ is Israel to which the Promises are made. No the Church isnt the physical nation which is called Israel, but that remnant Israel according to the election of grace. Remember Two Israels are mentioned in Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: One of these Israels is the then existing Physical nation, and the other is a remnant of that nation according to the election of Grace in Christ.

Paul distinguishes them once again here in Rom 11:1-7


I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew{Remnant Israel]. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel[national] hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election[remnant Israel/Church] hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded[national Israel].

So the Two Israels are National a physical nation, Spiritual Israel a Chosen remnant according to the Election of Grace, which I contend is the Church Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4
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Yes, and all that was spoken in reference to the old nation that was still in tact at the time.
What we have now with modern Israel is something different again.
 
But to refresh my memory wasn't this once given to the Palestinians

Most of the inhabitants of Gaza were driven out of their homes in other parts if occupied Palestine, and the rest are true locals.
How can you talk of "giving" it to them?
Don't make the mistake of listening to those religious extremists who still think they are living in the Old Testament.
 
Most of the inhabitants of Gaza were driven out of their homes in other parts if occupied Palestine, and the rest are true locals.
How can you talk of "giving" it to them?
Don't make the mistake of listening to those religious extremists who still think they are living in the Old Testament.

Even in the OT Israel never occupied all of Gaza (Phiiistia)
 
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