Context surrounding Ephesians 2:8

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Why would God tell someone to depart from him who says it is necessary to do something that God commands us to do?

If God commanded that you to be baptized in Jello, you wouldn't assume it's a baptismal fill with water. One that is submerged in a baptismal of water, in the Name of Jesus, is submerged water, in the Name of Jesus. It is my view that this is not exact to being baptized in the Name of Jesus, as being baptized in the name of Jello. Someone baptized in Jello is submerged in Jello, but someone baptized in the name of Jello, has given all his trust in the integrity of Jello's power to strength their nail follicles.
 
Of course, confessing He’s Lord is also necessary (Rom. 10:9-13), not just for the sinner, but for the Christian who is wanting to live for their King. They might not have confessed He’s Lord with their mouth at their conversion, but they did so with their obedience in obeying His gospel. And the Christian is going to confess He’s Lord with their lives, by being a doer of the word of following Him (Jn. 10:27) and not a hearer only (Jms. 1:22).

These seem to be some harsh words for some around here.
 
Lets get the full context of Ephesians 2:8 by starting at the beginning of this letter to the saints at Epheus
Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
This relates back to Acts 2:38 and Romans 6

Ephesians 1:11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

The above reference to the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is where we have obtained an inheritance and it was according to the will of God his plan of salvation.

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

See when you trusted in the gospel which you obeyed in baptism see verse 7 you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 2:1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

See compare this with what he said in Romans 6 where he said this was when you were baptized into his death.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Now see that the grace in verse 5 is what God worked in baptism in Acts 2:38/Romans 6:3ff Faith is not the gift salvation is the gift and it does not come from the works of the law as the Jews want to cling to but through THE Faith that was once delivered. For by od's workmanship in baptism as we see here and Romans 6 we were created in Christ Jesus go do good works of righteousness which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Ephesians 2:11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

These verse restate that it is in baptism that God has done this gracious deed of transformation.
So see I am not boasting but giving God the praise for the grace he has given me. So It does not help your case to just make stuff up take the word for what is says.

What did I make up does John 4:1 not say in black and whit in the KJV that Jesus baptized more even though he did not do the dipping but had his deciples to carry it out?
John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)



Again let me point you to Romans 6 where Paul tells us how we were born again the new birth transformed from dead in sin to alive in Christ. Paul said it was when we were baptized Acts 2:38 that we were baptized in his death (the cross the blood of Christ) it is clearly recorded in plain understandable words from God. Please read what the sriptures are telling you.



Yes and Paul told you in Romans 6 how God preformed this transforming work. It was through the baptism inJesus name that we were baptized with where we were baptized into his death (the cross the blood of Christ) in which GOD did HIS transforming work.

I see, this be, were it begins. Belief to God in risen Son for any person that chooses this truth Son is risen. Eph 1:13, the new life to sanctification form God Father and risen Son begins, to me at least, thanks I read the post response and see what you say
I saw after beleif to go ahead and be water Baptized as a good conscience to God Father in the risen Son for me. Not to be a member of any Church here on earth, to learn true Love and stop doing 1 Cor 13:1-3, asked for 4-7 to be impiuted, to see past 8-12 unto God forever in love to us all in verse 13. Trusted, trusting God for this love and mercy to lead not me
Woe is me, Isaiah 6:1-7
 
Ephesians 2:11-22... These verse restate that it is in baptism that God has done this gracious deed of transformation.
No, they don't. Baptism is not mentioned here either.

I've read through the rest of your post. You're a long way from making a convincing case that the gift is salvation rather than faith primarily because you assert that Ephesians 1 and 2 discuss baptism when baptism is not mentioned at all.

Your argument is the essence of eisegesis.
 
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No, they don't. Baptism is not mentioned here either.

I've read through the rest of your post. You're a long way from making a convincing case that the gift is salvation rather than faith primarily because you assert that Ephesians 1 and 2 discuss baptism when baptism is not mentioned at all.

Your argument is sis.[the essence of eisege
Maybe it is because you miss what the the parallel verses are showing. If you would see what Paul says happen when you were baptized you could see the parallel connection.

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Maybe it is because you miss what the the parallel verses are showing. If you would see what Paul says happen when you were baptized you could see the parallel connection.

What does " the essence of eisege" mean?
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yes please tell me what that means.
 
But they are saying baptism is a part of being saved.
They are bringing in a third person to complete the saving process.
God cannot do it without help.
You also are doing it.
Everyone is doing it

Did you hear the Gospel drop down to you from heaven? Or did someone have to preach it to you? Did someone have to print out a tract? Did someone have to translate a bible into your language?

No matter how you slice and dice it, other people are required. Even in the 1st century, had the apostles kept their mouths closed, NO ONE would have been saved.

So that argument falls flat real fast.
 
I was not saved before I repented and was baptized for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38).
I was saved when I repented and placed my faith in Jesus Christ for salvation (Acts 3:19; 11:17,18; 20:21) on a late Saturday night several years ago prior to receiving water baptism on Sunday morning.

Acts 2:38 must be read alongside verses like (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) where forgiveness is explicitly tied to repentance/belief/faith and not the ritual itself. Water baptism is a sign of that reality but not the source of it.

Luke 24:47 - and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.” *What happened to baptism?

Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 16:30 - And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” *What happened to baptism?

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

*So, the only logical and Biblical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*
 
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You also are doing it.
Everyone is doing it

Did you hear the Gospel drop down to you from heaven? Or did someone have to preach it to you? Did someone have to print out a tract? Did someone have to translate a bible into your language?

No matter how you slice and dice it, other people are required. Even in the 1st century, had the apostles kept their mouths closed, NO ONE would have been saved.

So that argument falls flat real fast.
There is no argument that people are saved when they hear the Gospel preached. That is the reason for preaching the Gospel.
But that preaching of the Gospel comes BEFORE salvation.
Surely we can all agree that salvation is between the individual and God.
But when a person says that after an individual is saved he now has to be baptized by another person, that is saying God cannot save an individual without help from a third party. That is saying God and the individual began the process but another person has to complete the saving process.
That is what I am saying as clearly as I can.
I would not be surprised that a very large portion of the people on this forum have not been baptized, so according to those teaching that baptism is necessary for salvation, a very large portion of those on this forum are lost and going to hell.
 
For me.. .Speaking about Eph 2... verses 8-10 remind believers that they need to accept what God has provide them in Christ Jesus. we see an amplification of that statement in verse 5 "by grace ye were saved". In the original language this verse begins with the definite article "the" before grace (te...chariti) also the verse begins in the Greek with a postpositive "for" (gar) which could be translated "because". Grace is the "cause" for the total plan of God. On the one hand grace is the objective instrumental cause of salvation. On the other hand faith is the subjective medium for the process of salvation so it is a necessary condition. "it is the gift of God" refers to the whole process of salvation not just to the granting of faith to believe. Vs 9 this is probably with reason Paul reminds us in the pervious verse that salvation cannot be earned in any way. There is no possibility of self-achieved salvation and no reason for boasting.

So that "grace" undeserved favor, love, and kindness..

This baptism thing. This verse alone what Peter said Acts 2:38.. if you dive into it.. then you know its not that simple. Its as if some ignore that fact based on the words in the Greek used and the manuscripts so forth so on there are other ways it can be and is interpreted. Did you know John baptized no one to produce repentance but rather he demanded works demonstrating true repentance. Me I was not sealed because I got baptized.. I was not forgiven because I got baptized "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." This verse .. there is so much more to it yet.... its ok.

Then you shall receive the gift of the holy Spirit. I wonder what do some believe when it comes to Christ just rose.. shows up to them...see My hands, My feet.. and breaths on them receive the holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that Christ told them not long after this to wait for the promise from the Father? What they got it twice? No my view breath on them saved.. new birth.. that old wine skin? Gone new spirit. Now you fill that new wine skin with? Yeah that gift. Sorry lol..making my self laugh here. Well some wont like this but based on what they then believed.. they were all Charismatic. All the gifts.. healings. Yeah 20y alter they asked some "have you received the holy Spirit since you believed?" Paul said to some I wish you all spoke in tongues. Its clear all didn't yet they were not treated any different at all.

Not here to debate this its just ..no one touched the end of Acts 2:38 So Eph 2:8 in my view is not at all tied with "baptism/Roman6"
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