Context surrounding Ephesians 2:8

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Baptism has no part in a person's salvation. God does not need a third person to complete the forgiveness of sin. It is between the sinner seeking forgiveness and the person of God the Father.
God does not need the help of a third person.

Are you baptized?

 

[Howdy]

1. Jesus has the authority over baptism it is in his name that has the authority but doesn't matter which brother in Christ does the dipping.
See John 4:1,2 where Jesus is said to do the baptizing even though it was his disciples that did the dipping. Same as in 1 Corinthians 1:17 where Paul said he wasn't sent to do the dipping but to preach the gospel. Both Paul and Jesus taught baptism and was accredited as baptizing even though the did not do the dipping.

2. if you are are asking if there is any exception to being baptized then I will have to say I can not find scripture support of any.

3. I really don't think it is hard to get baptized you can sit down in a kiddy pool and be baptized. God will make a way. Hypothetical question are only trying to find a loop hole around what God has revealed and is not wise.

4. This is really reaching for loop holes cause there are plenty of people willing to help you submit to the gospel call.

5. Salvation is by the gospel call and one submitting to the call as by the will of God for there is no other way to the Farther but through the Son. Yes it is based on faith in Jesus paying ones sin dept so we see how Jesus said he was going to do so in Act 2:38 Act 22:16 and Romans 6 we must have faith in the words of Christ for that is what it means to have faith. His words are truth and life that we must trust in.

6. not according to the scriptures for they clearly teach that baptism is for the remission of sin again see Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 and Romans 6 where Paul explains this in clear to understand language. We must have faith in what the scriptures are telling us.

7. yes according to scripture he is. My question is if scripture says (which it does) that baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is for the remission of sin are sins remitted with out the baptism in the name of Christ and is the spirit given if not through the same baptism as the scriptures teach. Look at Acts 19:1-5 for help in answering this question.

What about a person on life support that is saved while in the hospital? I have witnessed this.
He died while on life support. Never baptized.
What about my son who died at 14 months.
By your definition they are in hell today.
A kiddie pool? Not enough water to dunk an adult under the water.
Does a person have to fully understand what be surrendered means before he is saved?

 

[Howdy]

Are you baptized?

I was baptized AFTER I by faith accepted Jesus as my Savior.
AFTER I was saved.
Had no understanding of what a surrendered life meant.
I understood I was a sinner, could not do anything to save my self, confessed to Jesus of my condition and asked Him to save me with total confidence He would. Was baptized later.

 

[timf]

One might think of faith as a pipe or conduit that connects us to Jesus and through which we receive grace.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I was baptized AFTER I by faith accepted Jesus as my Savior.
AFTER I was saved.

Yeah, me too.

I don't think they are saying you have to be baptized first before accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior though.

 

[Howdy]

Yeah, me too.

I don't think they are saying you have to be baptized first before accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior though.

But they are saying baptism is a part of being saved.
They are bringing in a third person to complete the saving process.
God cannot do it without help.

 

[Howdy]

But they are saying baptism is a part of being saved.
They are bringing in a third person to complete the saving process.
God cannot do it without help.

IF this is true, and I may misunderstand what they are saying, then Matthew 7:22-23 is what they will hear.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

But they are saying baptism is a part of being saved.
They are bringing in a third person to complete the saving process.
God cannot do it without help.

IF this is true, and I may misunderstand what they are saying, then Matthew 7:22-23 is what they will hear.

*Shrug* I didn't get that from what they wrote.

I got baptized because it's what Lord Jesus wanted for me to do, so I obeyed. *Shrug*

 

[Biilybob65]

What about a person on life support that is saved while in the hospital? I have witnessed this.
He died while on life support. Never baptized.
What about my son who died at 14 months.
By your definition they are in hell today.
A kiddie pool? Not enough water to dunk an adult under the water.
Does a person have to fully understand what be surrendered means before he is saved?

What about a person on life support that is saved while in the hospital? I have witnessed this.
He died while on life support. Never baptized.

It is with a sad heart that I humbly say I am sorry this happened to you but I am not at liberty to say how God handles these situations for the bible gives no example of such. It does warn not to wait to long but I have no answer as to how God dealt with this from his word and neither does anyone else. We only have what he recorded for us to do and teach and to go outside of his teaching and to say how he dealt with this is no what we are suppose to do. I would love to say he would handle it in such and such manner but I cant point to scripture to answer it authoritatively.

{quote] What about my son who died at 14 months.[/quote] This one is easy and has scripture support. In this case this baby is in heaven with God for he was not old enough to understand and have the biblical faith required for submission to the gospel.

Any pool of water having enough to cover a person will work.

I used to think that no one did not fully have to understand the reason for baptism as long as they were baptize but then the teaching of Acts 19:1-5 finally opened my eyes to see that Paul did indeed see a need to understand baptism. That is the faith part cause baptism isn't anything without the faith of what is happening in baptism.

 

[Howdy]

*Shrug* I didn't get that from what they wrote.

I got baptized because it's what Lord Jesus wanted for me to do, so I obeyed. *Shrug*

Go read billybob's post. As I said I may have misunderstood him.

 

[Dino246]

Lets get the full context of Ephesians 2:8 by starting at the beginning of this letter to the saints at Epheus
Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
This relates back to Acts 2:38 and Romans 6

Ephesians 1:11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

The above reference to the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is where we have obtained an inheritance and it was according to the will of God his plan of salvation.

There is no reference to baptism in Ephesians 1. You've asserted the presence of something absent, thereby adding to Scripture.

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

See when you trusted in the gospel which you obeyed in baptism see verse 7 you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Again, you mention baptism where Scripture doesn't.

Ephesians 2:1-6...
See compare this with what he said in Romans 6 where he said this was when you were baptized into his death.

So... compare a passage that doesn't mention baptism to a passage that does, and conclude that both discuss baptism? No.

I don't have time right now to address the rest, but it isn't looking good.

 

[Howdy]

To Billybob
Help me understand what you believe.
Do you believe baptism is a part of salvation, a forgiveness of sin, eternal life in heaven with Jesus?
Without baptism there is no salvation?
Do you believe this? Yes or no.

 

[Biilybob65]

There is no reference to baptism in Ephesians 1. You've asserted the presence of something absent, thereby adding to Scripture.


Again, you mention baptism where Scripture doesn't.


So... compare a passage that doesn't mention baptism to a passage that does, and conclude that both discuss baptism? No.

I don't have time right now to address the rest, but it isn't looking good.

Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.Paul is speaking in both text and saying about the same thing in Romans 6:3 he made it clear that it was in the baptism in the name of Christ that this is done.Just as Peter said it is done in Acts 2:38 can you really not see the connection

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Again this is Paul speaking is both passages and he tell that when we were baptized into Christ (His death burial and resurrection) we got the new life in the spirit (the indwelling sealed with the spirit of promise.

Those are Gods word that Paul is speaking not his or mine or yours but Gods

 

[Biilybob65]

To Billybob
Help me understand what you believe.
Do you believe baptism is a part of salvation, a forgiveness of sin, eternal life in heaven with Jesus?
Without baptism there is no salvation?
Do you believe this? Yes or no.

Oh my brother I am sorry you are having trouble following the scriptures I am presenting on this subject. It is not my words but Gods words I am point you to . Read Romans chapter six Pay close attention to verse 3 where Paul says that when you were baptize you were baptized into his death. Does this not make it clear that the baptism of Acts 2:38 that we were baptized with is not a spiritual baptism that got rid of sin and gave the new life in the spirit (the gift of the holy ghost)/ Paul takes the while chapter to explain it. Please go back and read it very closely and listen to what is being said it will open your eyes far more better than I can.

If scripture can not open your eyes then by no means am I going to be able to do so. Please go read Romans 6 and come back and tell me what You hear it saying.

 

[Biilybob65]

Check the parallel verses in Ephesians chapter 1 and 2 to those of Romans 6 and remember it is Paul doing the speaking in both letters

 

[Blue155]

I was not saved before I repented and was baptized for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38).

 

[Howdy]

Oh my brother I am sorry you are having trouble following the scriptures I am presenting on this subject. It is not my words but Gods words I am point you to . Read Romans chapter six Pay close attention to verse 3 where Paul says that when you were baptize you were baptized into his death. Does this not make it clear that the baptism of Acts 2:38 that we were baptized with is not a spiritual baptism that got rid of sin and gave the new life in the spirit (the gift of the holy ghost)/ Paul takes the while chapter to explain it. Please go back and read it very closely and listen to what is being said it will open your eyes far more better than I can.

If scripture can not open your eyes then by no means am I going to be able to do so. Please go read Romans 6 and come back and tell me what You hear it saying.

You keep depending on your third party water baptism for salvation and I will continue believing, have faith in the blood of Jesus for mine and we shall see who God accepts and who he says depart from me.
I will pray you see the truth before you meet God.
So sad that so many have a false assurance of salvation.

 

[Biilybob65]

You keep depending on your third party water baptism for salvation and I will continue believing, have faith in the blood of Jesus for mine and we shall see who God accepts and who he says depart from me.
I will pray you see the truth before you meet God.
So sad that so many have a false assurance of salvation.

Brother Lets let the bible answer this for us for it will show the truth for all to see.
A few questions.
1. When was the doors to the church first open?
2. Is Peter speaking on his own accord or speaking that which the spirit of the Lord is giving Him to speak?
3. When was the first gospel message preach this side of the cross?
4. When Peter preached the gospel for the first time this side of the cross what was his answer when those that believed ask him What must I do?
5. If you agree that the fulfilled gospel message was first preached on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 how does it say they were being saved and added to the church?

Please answer me these questions and we will study your reasoning from this point and go deeper into the word to see what is being taught by God.

 

[Biilybob65]

Brother Lets let the bible answer this for us for it will show the truth for all to see.
A few questions.
1. When was the doors to the church first open?
2. Is Peter speaking on his own accord or speaking that which the spirit of the Lord is giving Him to speak?
3. When was the first gospel message preach this side of the cross?
4. When Peter preached the gospel for the first time this side of the cross what was his answer when those that believed ask him What must I do?
5. If you agree that the fulfilled gospel message was first preached on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 how does it say they were being saved and added to the church?

Please answer me these questions and we will study your reasoning from this point and go deeper into the word to see what is being taught by God.

sorry for the double posting I messed up

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

we shall see who God accepts and who he says depart from me.

Why would God tell someone to depart from him who says it is necessary to do something that God commands us to do?