Question about Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32.

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snowbound said:
You are correct. However, 'Being one" doesn't imply a trinity. It implies being on the same page. Thinking alike, feeling alike, having the same goals and purpose., the same fruits, etc.
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I can get behind that context
Levib said:
I agree this is confusing. I also agree the answer is simply that Jesus had not been glorified yet. After the resurrection Jesus said ‘all power in heaven and Earth has been given to me’. I expect that would include all knowledge. Additionally The Trinity was reunited so that Jesus, The Father, Holy Spirit are one being again. So Jesus not knowing the time of his return in Matthew 24 suggests he wasn’t all knowing at that time. He only had knowledge from the studying the word of God and revelation given through prayer.
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I appreciate that comment I love that logic of it. Idk if I’ll ever fully comprehend it lol. I do agree that He was limited as a human. The thing that gets my mind spinning is in the beginning He created the world and had all knowledge of us in our mothers womb. So going off that logic means that when He became flesh He now lost memories of the future. Is that what you are saying?
 
snowbound said:
That makes no sense to me. Maybe explain. Jesus said the Father is greater. I believe him. He said he doesn't know the day or hour of his return, 'only the Father knows'. If Jesus were God he would know.
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It's a great mystery, but we do know that Jesus is the visible form of the invisible God, that the NT always calls the father. It never calls the son God, even though they are inseparable, except for the son's brief time in the grave. Again, a great mystery
 
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DeeeDeee said:
John 10:30 sais that “He and the Father are one” and John 16:15 sais “all the Father has is Mine”. So that’s the part that confuses me because He is the Father also in Human form as the son so how would He not know. He is the creator of the world. “Before Abraham was I am” just trying to get a better understanding of it all.
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I dig deep into these things and this is I BELIEVE>>>I'm well - I'm old but well - I'm not crazy.

Consider first that there are trillions of planets in this galaxy and trillions of galaxies! With trillions of planets inhabited by HUMANS. Some planets may be larger and the oceans and continents configured differently. They were created by ...

Looking at the words in the text it appears Jesus was the creator AND savior of THIS planet. There are trillions of planets that fell and they all needed/need/will need a Savior. The only Savior available is the Jesus/Angel that created it. Here, we call our Savior Jesus.

I have a page on this but have to look for it.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
It's a great mystery, but we do know that Jesus is the visible form of the invisible God, that the NT always calls the father. It never calls the son God, even though they are inseparable, except for the son's brief time in the grave. Again, a great mystery
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Jesus is the reflection of the Father. The great mystery to me is understanding the Throne of God.
 
DeeeDeee said:
So when you read the verse it states that “concerning that hour no man nor angels know the day not even the son only the Father” so my question is how is it possible that Jesus does not know the day in which he comes back with eyes of fire to judge the world? When clearly He knew the future in His whole ministry. Just interested in hearing what other believers think about this verse. Ty God bless.
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He was teaching that he doesn't make the decision and that's why he doesn't know. However, in Mathew 24 Jesus gives us some pretty good signs that precede his return.
 
snowbound said:
I dig deep into these things and this is I BELIEVE>>>I'm well - I'm old but well - I'm not crazy.

Consider first that there are trillions of planets in this galaxy and trillions of galaxies! With trillions of planets inhabited by HUMANS. Some planets may be larger and the oceans and continents configured differently. They were created by ...

Looking at the words in the text it appears Jesus was the creator AND savior of THIS planet. There are trillions of planets that fell and they all needed/need/will need a Savior. The only Savior available is the Jesus/Angel that created it. Here, we call our Savior Jesus.

I have a page on this but have to look for it.
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Interesting I have never heard of something like that before. So you’re saying that God created one moral standard and other planets need someone else to die for them?
 
DeeeDeee said:
Interesting I have never heard of something like that before. So you’re saying that God created one moral standard and other planets need someone else to die for them?
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I'm saying is our planet is an example of what other planets and solar systems may be operating like. This gets complicated because it has to do with fallen angels, demons, and odd situations surrounding why they are here.
Let me look for these pages.

Thanks for your interest.
 
DeeeDeee said:
Interesting I have never heard of something like that before. So you’re saying that God created one moral standard and other planets need someone else to die for them?
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Good question and yes I think it does look that way.
 
DeeeDeee said:
I can get behind that context

I appreciate that comment I love that logic of it. Idk if I’ll ever fully comprehend it lol. I do agree that He was limited as a human. The thing that gets my mind spinning is in the beginning He created the world and had all knowledge of us in our mothers womb. So going off that logic means that when He became flesh He now lost memories of the future. Is that what you are saying?
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Yes. I don’t try understand how. I will add this is my own reasoning, revelation, conviction.

The basis of Christian teaching is that God took the form of a human with the exception he was born without sin. Adam also was created without sin so being sinless doesn’t make you non-human but rather human in the purest form. If Jesus is anything more than that, he is not fully human and the significance is lost. If he is part God then he wasn’t tempted in the wilderness because God cannot be tempted with sin etc…

Legitimate arguments can be made either way, was Jesus God, was he not God, was he part God. This is just one possible explanation to your question.

Either way Jesus is exalted to a higher extent (if that’s possible) after he has fulfilled the law and been glorified. Jesus said the only way to be the highest in heaven is to be the greatest servant in Earth. It was also said he was given the name Jesus, the name above all names. At the name Jesus every one will bow.
 
Levib said:
Yes. I don’t try understand how. I will add this is my own reasoning, revelation, conviction.

The basis of Christian teaching is that God took the form of a human with the exception he was born without sin. Adam also was created without sin so being sinless doesn’t make you non-human but rather human in the purest form. If Jesus is anything more than that, he is not fully human and the significance is lost. If he is part God then he wasn’t tempted in the wilderness because God cannot be tempted with sin etc…

Legitimate arguments can be made either way, was Jesus God, was he not God, was he part God. This is just one possible explanation to your question.

Either way Jesus is exalted to a higher extent (if that’s possible) after he has fulfilled the law and been glorified. Jesus said the only way to be the highest in heaven is to be the greatest servant in Earth. It was also said he was given the name Jesus, the name above all names. At the name Jesus every one will bow.
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Well said.
God cannot be tempted - Jesus was tempted in every way.
Jesus was human in every way. I love that he was like me. I just have trouble being like him.

Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
 
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Better worded...

"God created one moral standard and I can't imagine other planets NOT being required to abide by those standards. ONCE they fell -- they also need a Savior."
 
DeeeDeee said:
John 10:30 sais that “He and the Father are one” and John 16:15 sais “all the Father has is Mine”. So that’s the part that confuses me because He is the Father also in Human form as the son so how would He not know. He is the creator of the world. “Before Abraham was I am” just trying to get a better understanding of it all.
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You are confusing a slightly different subject with one that cannot be fully understood. - How can God be three separate beings and all three be the same (one). Fact is, Jesus, the Father, the Holy Spirit are all the same. Yet when God appeared to Abraham He is recorded as ‘three people’.
 
Levib said:
was Jesus God, was he not God, was he part God.
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John 1 v 1 + John 1 v 14a~ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
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snowbound said:
That makes no sense to me. Maybe explain. Jesus said the Father is greater. I believe him. He said he doesn't know the day or hour of his return, 'only the Father knows'. If Jesus were God he would know.
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Isa 5:2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.

"He dug it all around, removed its stones, and planted it with the choicest vine. And He built a tower in the middle of it and also hewed out a wine vat in it; Then He expected it to produce good grapes, but it produced only worthless ones" (Isa. 5:2).

Here God clearly expected something but another lesser thing occurred proving in this particular situation that he did not know what would occur.


God can choose to know the future or choose not to as in the above example.


Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.


How does an all knowing God not remember sins? Wouldn't that be a contradiction?


God's knowledge of the future is "iffy" in the case of Sodom. "If I find... " Also, Jer. 18 states that God warns, then waits to see what happens, before taking action. Now, if God know the future ahead of time, he would not have to wait around to see what is going to happen.

Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

God repents/regrets that he made man. That isn't an example of God knowing all that will happen in the future.
 
I believe this verse is referencing our freewill. God the father does know when the harvest is ripe. God the Father is directing the harvest right now. Jesus Christ the Son was not sent to man to tell him what hour he would be due for judgement but to save man instead. Within the context of that entire chapter it is made clear it isn't for us to know the exact hour. This is so that we may have adequate fear of the Lord and prepare ourselves for the day of judgement.
 
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Levib said:
You are confusing a slightly different subject with one that cannot be fully understood. - How can God be three separate beings and all three be the same (one). Fact is, Jesus, the Father, the Holy Spirit are all the same. Yet when God appeared to Abraham He is recorded as ‘three people’.
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So then, "why believe in something that cannot be fully understood?
 
snowbound said:
I dig deep into these things and this is I BELIEVE>>>I'm well - I'm old but well - I'm not crazy.

Consider first that there are trillions of planets in this galaxy and trillions of galaxies! With trillions of planets inhabited by HUMANS. Some planets may be larger and the oceans and continents configured differently. They were created by ...

Looking at the words in the text it appears Jesus was the creator AND savior of THIS planet. There are trillions of planets that fell and they all needed/need/will need a Savior. The only Savior available is the Jesus/Angel that created it. Here, we call our Savior Jesus.

I have a page on this but have to look for it.
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I like the possibility that we are the only planet with life as we understand it. The great scientist Richard Feynman (an atheist), said it was unscientific to believe there was life outside of Earth because there was no evidence to support it. This remains true to this day.

The search for life outside our earth resulted in the discoveries of vast forms of life in unimaginable places on earth. These discoveries continued to shrink the known ‘requirements for life to exist’ until the only substance that is known to be required for life is Liquid Water.

I image this discovery made scientists believe they would find extraterrestrial life in a matter of days because the universe is filled with water. Except what they found is water in its gas form, in its solid form and other states of matter. Yet decades later they fail to find any Liquid Water outside of the Earth.

Wouldn’t that make life much more unique and special if we are one in trillions of trillions?
 
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