So when you read the verse it states that “concerning that hour no man nor angels know the day not even the son only the Father” so my question is how is it possible that Jesus does not know the day in which he comes back with eyes of fire to judge the world? When clearly He knew the future in His whole ministry. Just interested in hearing what other believers think about this verse. Ty God bless.
Question about Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32.
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- and try to understand that there are things that the Father knew that Jesus did not know during His ministry.
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- and try to understand that there are things that the Father knew that Jesus did not know during His ministry.
Hey thanks for commenting. I hear what your saying but that doesn’t make much sense to me because He knew exactly where to be every step of His ministry for example the woman at the well. He told His disciples to get into town to get food or something I believe and He was waiting for that woman to show up. There’s a ton of other examples too like knowing Judas was going to betray Him the whole time, He knew He was going to be resurrected, it goes on and on so I’m just trying to understand that verse more because even as Jesus in human form He knew the future in full. And I believe He knew 100% the exact second He is coming back. Im trying to figure out why He said that verse that way.
The son only knew what the father revealed to him. When he said he didn't know, he meant it.
Hey thanks for commenting. So I just can’t make sense out of that in my head because He and the Father are one and everything the Father knows the Son knows. His whole ministry He clearly knew every aspect of the future. I can’t wrap my head around the fact that He didn’t know the day He was coming back to judge the world. I just feel like there is a reason why He said it that way. When I get tripped up with the understanding I hyper fixate for the answer I appreciate the comment.
You are correct. However, 'Being one" doesn't imply a trinity. It implies being on the same page. Thinking alike, feeling alike, having the same goals and purpose., the same fruits, etc.
John 10:30 sais that “He and the Father are one” and John 16:15 sais “all the Father has is Mine”. So that’s the part that confuses me because He is the Father also in Human form as the son so how would He not know. He is the creator of the world. “Before Abraham was I am” just trying to get a better understanding of it all.
But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
I agree this is confusing. I also agree the answer is simply that Jesus had not been glorified yet. After the resurrection Jesus said ‘all power in heaven and Earth has been given to me’. I expect that would include all knowledge. Additionally The Trinity was reunited so that Jesus, The Father, Holy Spirit are one being again. So Jesus not knowing the time of his return in Matthew 24 suggests he wasn’t all knowing at that time. He only had knowledge from the studying the word of God and revelation given through prayer.
The same way a person doesn't consciously know everything within their subconscious, but would know at the right time it was meant to be known.
Even more if one of those are separated from the others. Jesus was separated from the godhead.
That makes no sense to me. Maybe explain. Jesus said the Father is greater. I believe him. He said he doesn't know the day or hour of his return, 'only the Father knows'. If Jesus were God he would know.
I wouldn't put it that way. The hierarchy was shifted temporarily.. On earth the son became subject to the father and spirit. Once glorified the spirit became subject to the son who is subject to the father.
I can get behind that context
I appreciate that comment I love that logic of it. Idk if I’ll ever fully comprehend it lol. I do agree that He was limited as a human. The thing that gets my mind spinning is in the beginning He created the world and had all knowledge of us in our mothers womb. So going off that logic means that when He became flesh He now lost memories of the future. Is that what you are saying?