What Is Happening in Canada??

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Big changes coming to Alberta Healthcare

Under premier Danielle Smith, Alberta healthcare is going to change to the European model using activity based funding (paid according to how many patients treated) instead of the current block based funding (paid one lump sum upfront) and more choice in healthcare.

Block Based Funding

This is the current outdated model in Canada generally used to fund healthcare. Once a year the provincial govt sends a big check to the hospital with the hope that the hospital uses the money to help a lot of patients. There’s no accountability under this model. This model doesn’t incentivize hospitals to help patients and does the opposite. Each new patient is viewed as someone that’s going to use up the hospital’s budget. This also leads to more money being wasted on bureaucracy instead being used for patient care.

Activity Based Funding

This is the model used in many European countries to fund their hospitals and clinics. Instead of giving hospitals a big check at the beginning of the year, hospitals get money each time they help a patient. This provides the hospital an incentive to help a patient because each time they help a patient they get more money. This also encourages the hospitals to use the money on things that help patients, doctors and nurses rather than bureaucracy.

More Choice in Healthcare

Many European systems allow patients to choose public system or choose a non-governmental (private) clinic. Currently in Canada you generally have one choice: wait for the govt to provide treatment or leave the province/country and pay elsewhere. The current barriers make it extremely difficult for patients who do not want to use the public system.

Alberta has announced that it will offer patients the choice to get treatment at a non-governmental clinic. Those who can’t afford to pay for a non-governmental clinic will also benefit from this new policy because every time someone decides to pay for non-governmental treatment, they leave the public system which shortens the waiting list for those who can’t afford to pay for non-governmental care. This allows the government to use more of its resources to help patients that can’t afford to pay rather than picking up the tab for wealthy patients who can afford to pay.

Some critiques claim that having private clinics will result in them stealing all the staff from the public clinics resulting in shortages. But they found that in Europe the opposite occurs. More private clinics on top of the existing public clinics results in more employers. When you have more employers you have more employees.

This will also give doctors/surgeons who work in the public sector the opportunity to make additional money working in private clinics in their spare time. Under the current system, doctors are fleeing the province/country on the weekends to pick up some extra money working in private clinics outside the province.
 
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I torn mine one day pushing myself. Mine is a partial tear as I feel it. I don't go to surgeons, so no $10,000 scans, but I know what it feels like to have major tendon and muscle tears too. I use the old fashioned palpation and symptom method of diagnosis.
I'd much rather have a muscle tear than a tendon if I had a choice. Muscles heal quickly in comparison.

You say it doesn't show up any more. Do you mean that it's completely torn away and drawn back?

Well I did the damage in Canada, so did not have to pay for a scan. Yeah that baby's gone as in what ACL? shrugs I've been pretty rough with myself...sports injuries, fell down a nasty flight of stairs, slammed into the water while water skiing...hits like cement at that speed, just the usual LOL! Oh and the broken shoulder. Did I mention the shoulder? It healed really good though. No one would know about all of this unless I told them, so .... ;)
 
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Well I did the damage in Canada, so did not have to pay for a scan. Yeah that baby's gone as in what ACL? shrugs I've been pretty rough with myself...sports injuries, fell down a nasty flight of stairs, slammed into the water while water skiing...hits like cement at that speed, just the usual LOL! Oh and the broken shoulder. Did I mention the shoulder? It healed really good though. No one would know about all of this unless I told them, so .... ;)


I'm sorry for the suffering you're experiencing. You've been through a lot of injuries. We athletes know what it's like to damage our bodies.
If I can be of service, feel free to PM me. Please make reference, linking the thread if you do.
 
I'm sorry for the suffering you're experiencing. You've been through a lot of injuries. We athletes know what it's like to damage our bodies.
If I can be of service, feel free to PM me. Please make reference, linking the thread if you do.

I'm ok. I'm not suffering, these are things I did over the years. Nothing recent. ;) Thing is, sports injuries are not rare so people do get hurt. But like I said, nothing recent, so it's all good.

Thanks for your concern and have a great Christimas!
 
Well I did the damage in Canada, so did not have to pay for a scan. Yeah that baby's gone as in what ACL? shrugs I've been pretty rough with myself...sports injuries, fell down a nasty flight of stairs, slammed into the water while water skiing...hits like cement at that speed, just the usual LOL! Oh and the broken shoulder. Did I mention the shoulder? It healed really good though. No one would know about all of this unless I told them, so .... ;)
That is why America needs Socialized health care, you pay for it with your taxes, ( a percentage based on income) but every one gets treated equally regardless of income and you don't have to pay out of pocket when you need to use it.
 
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That is why America needs Socialized health care, you pay for it with your taxes, ( a percentage based on income) but every one gets treated equally regardless of income and you don't have to pay out of pocket when you need to use it.


It's too late for the US. Do you have any idea how Canada started? And where it is now? No you don't get treated equally. Not at all and I have experience with that in Canada. Anyway, this thread is on another planet from where it started :oops: The employer also pays into the system for the employee in Canada.

Was never built for millions of people from another country who think the system is like a game show.
 
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That is why America needs Socialized health care, you pay for it with your taxes, ( a percentage based on income) but every one gets treated equally regardless of income and you don't have to pay out of pocket when you need to use it.
Yes…. with Canada’s socialized healthcare, everyone gets treated equally, regardless of income, as they wait in pain for more than 8 hours in emergency and then die.

Prashant Sreekumar, a 44-year-old father of three, arrived to emergency in Alberta with his dad on Dec 22nd, where he told his dad and the staff that the pain in his chest was a 15 out of 10. After waiting in severe pain for more than eight hours with his blood pressure going up and up, he stood up, put his hand on his chest and died on the spot.

But, with Canada’s socialized healthcare, you won’t see any politicians or govt bureaucrats waiting up to 24 hours in emergency when they arrive at the hospital with severe chest pain.
 
Yes…. with Canada’s socialized healthcare, everyone gets treated equally, regardless of income, as they wait in pain for more than 8 hours in emergency and then die.

Prashant Sreekumar, a 44-year-old father of three, arrived to emergency in Alberta with his dad on Dec 22nd, where he told his dad and the staff that the pain in his chest was a 15 out of 10. After waiting in severe pain for more than eight hours with his blood pressure going up and up, he stood up, put his hand on his chest and died on the spot.

But, with Canada’s socialized healthcare, you won’t see any politicians or govt bureaucrats waiting up to 24 hours in emergency when they arrive at the hospital with severe chest pain.



Last time I visited Canada, one of the people I was staying with said that the healthcare there isn't that great. They live in Montreal so if they needed special care, she said many would cross the border to the US to get the treatments they need.

I also don't like the high sales tax! Oh my gosh, it so exorbitant!!!


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It's too late for the US. Do you have any idea how Canada started? And where it is now? No you don't get treated equally. Not at all and I have experience with that in Canada. Anyway, this thread is on another planet from where it started :oops: The employer also pays into the system for the employee in Canada.

Was never built for millions of people from another country who think the system is like a game show.
Yes I am aware, and as bad as it is, none of our hospitals have ever dumped a mentally confused woman at an out reach centre because she couldn't pay her medical bills. I am aware that people from over seas come over and abuse our system, it's something we have to deal with.
 
Yes I am aware, and as bad as it is, none of our hospitals have ever dumped a mentally confused woman at an out reach centre because she couldn't pay her medical bills. .
So you're equating the dumping of one mentally confused American patient who shows up at an ER and gets redirected to an outreach center with 500 thousand Canadian patients, (that's equivalent to 4.2 million American patients) leaving emergency rooms before seeing a doctor because the ERs are over-crowded with wait times exceeding 24 hrs?

You're equating a mentally confused patient that shows up to an ER and gets redirected to an outreach centre with a patient having a heart attack that shows up to an ER and is forced to wait over eight hours in pain before he drops dead on the spot?

One of the side effects of socialism is the distortion of common sense.
 
Last time I visited Canada, one of the people I was staying with said that the healthcare there isn't that great. They live in Montreal so if they needed special care, she said many would cross the border to the US to get the treatments they need.

I also don't like the high sales tax! Oh my gosh, it so exorbitant!!!


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Right. Because hospitals and healthcare is so much more affordable in the US. :rolleyes: I have heard of Americans coming to Canada for healtcare but NEVER the other way around unless the individual had plenty of $ to toss.
 
Right. Because hospitals and healthcare is so much more affordable in the US. :rolleyes: I have heard of Americans coming to Canada for healtcare but NEVER the other way around unless the individual had plenty of $ to toss.
What??? Show me a report where Americans take a trip to Canada for free healthcare. Healthcare is only free in Canada for Canadians not Americans. Do you not see the reports I just posted? If a Canadian citizen drops dead in ER after waiting over eight hours with chest pain do you think an American who goes into a Canadian ER is going to the front of the line and not have to pay? Canadians are always going to America to pay for healthcare because the waiting lists are too long
 
What??? Show me a report where Americans take a trip to Canada for free healthcare. Healthcare is only free in Canada for Canadians not Americans. Do you not see the reports I just posted? If a Canadian citizen drops dead in ER after waiting over eight hours with chest pain do you think an American who goes into a Canadian ER is going to the front of the line and not have to pay? Canadians are always going to America to pay for healthcare because the waiting lists are too long

I never said it was free. Honestly why do some people take offense as you are seeming to do here? Again, did I say anything about 'free'? No I did not. What I did say, it that it is less costly.

Take a chill pill and consider what someone actually says before sounding as angry as you do here.

I have only had good coverage both in Quebec where I am from and NS where I lived for a number of years. I don't know what all you are doing out west.

The op is about what the current PM is trying to do to Christians in Canada. Maybe try going back to that. It would be more productive IMO.
 
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I never said it was free. Honestly why do some people take offense as you are seeming to do here? Again, did I say anything about 'free'? No I did not. What I did say, it that it is less costly.

Take a chill pill and consider what someone actually says before sounding as angry as you do here.

I have only had good coverage both in Quebec where I am from and NS where I lived for a number of years. I don't know what all you are doing out west.
I'm not angry... I'm not taking offense.... I'm correcting you... you take a chill pill.... I'm posting facts about Canada's healthcare system and you're posting non-facts by saying Americans can come to Canada and get free healthcare... Maybe you should stop lying... and take a chill pill and an honest pill
 
I'm not angry... I'm not taking offense.... I'm correcting you... you take a chill pill.... I'm posting facts about Canada's healthcare system and you're posting non-facts by saying Americans can come to Canada and get freed healthcare... Maybe you should stop lying... and take a chill pill and an honest pill

Dude, I don't need correction from you. I'm Canadian. No reason for you to become so rude and just downright arrogant. Maybe probe your own soul a little more. At times like these, I really appreciate the ignore feature here.
 
Dude, I don't need correction from you. I'm Canadian. No reason for you to become so rude and just downright arrogant. Maybe probe your own soul a little more. At times like these, I really appreciate the ignore feature here.
I'm not being rude.... I'm correcting you.... if you don't like it.... too bad. You say "...Americans coming to Canada for healtcare but NEVER the other way around unless the individual had plenty of $ to toss."

that implies Americans are coming to Canada to either get free healthcare or cheaper healthcare and that's not true... And me telling you it's not true.... and pointing that out is not being rude of arrogant... it's telling the truth... you get offended by truth... that's your problem.
 
There's a huge divide between what people in one nation thinks something means verses the others. It's sort of like translating English in Merica about ending the war in Ukraine into Russian. In Merica it means a cease fire with security assurances but in Russian it means Merica and Ukraine are pestering the Kremlin and trying to get better terms for their surrender.
 
Growing up in Detroit I have been to Windsor, Ontario quite a few times. Very clean and peaceful city. Spent some time in Sarnia too which is across the Blue Water Bridge from Port Huron. Been to Sault Sainte Marie on both the Michigan and Ontario side and have been to Niagara Falls twice, both in New York and Ontario. I have had awesome experiences in Canada. Very friendly peeps too.
Oddly enough, I've been to 30 countries, and Canada was the only one that made me come into the border office and be grilled for over an hour. Nothing like that anywhere else including China and South Korea.
 
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