Loss of salvation???
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Don't let Ouch fool you about believing in the Trinity. He believes in modalism - Modalism - CARM which is a theological error that denies the Trinity, asserting that God is a single person who manifests in three modes: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This view suggests that these modes are sequential and do not coexist simultaneously, which contradicts the orthodox Christian understanding of the Trinity as three distinct persons who are eternally co-existent and co-equal.
Straight from the horse's mouth below:
Are you saying that the only ones who know who GOD is, is the so called oneness Pentecostals?
Why is it a denominational thing and not a GOD'S WORD THING???
Take denomatinos out of it and stick to HIS WORD.
I'm sure there are others who have been filled with the Holy Ghost that can see that there are not 3 gods but ONE GOD.
Did you ever look to see when men started the trinity?
Can you put a name on those 3 gods?
Can't you see in HIS word how we are told to be bapitzed?
Not one place in JESUS titles so why do people say that is the correct way when it's not bible?
Satan's plan keep them out of the water, if they get in the water keep JESUS name out of it.
Satan's know what happens in the water and he knows the POWER in the name of JESUS.
I don't try to fool anyone, I just share HIS word and let JESUS do the talking.
If I say something that goes against HIS WORD PLEASE TELL ME ABOUT IT.
What would you call the theology that God is one being with 3 undefinable characteristics that eternally co-exist? It's certainly not modalism
The Trinity is not 3 gods but one God in essence/nature in 3 distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
What is the Trinity? - CARM
Trinity Table - CARM
I call that junk mail.The Trinity is not 3 gods but one God in essence/nature in 3 distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
What is the Trinity? - CARM
Trinity Table - CARM
So did you check when and who started the trinity thing?
So GOD is spirit, right?
The Holy Ghost is spirit, right?
JESUS dad was the spirit, ritht?
If you can prove there are 3 gods then I will believe you.
Tell me there names.
PROVE IT WITH HIS WORD OR IT'S A LIE!!!
3 undefinable characteristics? I see one God in 3 persons in the Trinity. I would not call that undefinable.
That's what you see, but what is the theology that I described called? It's not modalism
3 undefinable characteristics is not how I see it. Are you looking for the term, "monotheistic?" Why don't you just spell it out.
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Was there ever a time that you "heard the word and believed on Him"? Did you "pass from death unto life"? Then what part of "hath everlasting life" and "shall not come into condemnation" don't you understand?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Was there ever a time that you "heard the word and believed on Him"? Did you "pass from death unto life"? Then what part of "hath everlasting life" and "shall not come into condemnation" don't you understand?
If you say so.
Well, quit believing blindly then
Even though there is a denomination that calls themselves pentecostal, actually being pentecostal is to be full gospel as in one who believes the whole counsel of the Lord
It's the cherry pickers who are the problem because they only believe bits and pieces of God's Word meaning they think God lies sometimes.
Then don't use the word "trinity" then.
1 John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
It's not automatic that a person goes to hell just because they say they believe in Jesus only such as the united pentecostals denomination.
Ever see all the scriptures about the Father?
Ever see all the scriptures about Jesus?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Holy Spirit?
Here’s a couple of passages of scripture nobody can explain away:
Matthew 3:16,17
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.
Concerning the trinity... the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!
Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.
In fact.... you and I are three that is one (we are a spirit, we possess a soul, and we live in a body)
1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
After all... the Lord did create man in His Own Image.
Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
God is ONE being and He made man to also be ONE being.
And yet, there are 3 different aspects to His Being and our being.
And yet, His is ONE being and we are ONE being.
All this arguing back and forth is much to do about nothing.
Just believe what God says in His Word - One is Three, and the Three are One.
Having everlasting life is only applicable to those who abide in Christ and allow Christ to abide in them.
Those that turn away from the Lord (baclsliders) are no longer in Christ and are no longer saved.
If they die in that condition they go south.
What you just described is false doctrine and claims even if a person continues in sin they are still going to Heaven.
That's the message the devil taught to Adam and Eve which he is still teaching today that we can knowingly and willingly disobey the Lord and still be in right standing with Him.
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Modern day so called preachers and their father the devil continually teach the error that Romans 8:13 is not true.
Teaching this is how one goes south when they die because they claim Jesus is a minister of sin
So why are you adressing me?
I don't follow men blindly.
I only share HIS word.
Do you have any idea if the guy I asked if he searched the trinity thing did?
We agree the
JESUS is GOD.
Yes, that Jesus guy is God.
The Father is God.
The Holy Ghost is God.
And, wait for it.... God is ONE
I'm still waiting for anyone, and I mean anyone who believes salvation is not everlasting through the seal of Holy Spirit but can be lost, what is that threshold? The belief in that concept of that alleged loss is strong and prolific among Evangelicals and Charismatics elike and yet its defenders continue to fail in showing to us that threshold!
Tell you what...all who believe in loss of salvation please write down every thought you have throughout each day for a month and then read them to your churchianity congregation at the end of that month (IF your pastor would allow such, which he won't as an attempt at a backing to his own false teachings) and watch how fast your sainthood disappears in the eyes of all those around you with THEM doubting YOUR salvation...that is, IF you were honest enough to write down all your thoughts, good and bad, and read them out loud for all to hear. Do you think that would gauge your level of self-righteousness in any ability to demonstrate a continuance in any assurance of your salvation on the basis of YOUR efforts of works?
Dare anyone in that camp be honest, they have no clue where that alleged threshold can be legitimately drawn in the sands of each individual's subjective measure for salvation apart from grace through faith alone.
Everybody is expert at coming up with extreme hypotheticals as to sin and "obvious" loss of salvation (robbing banks, murder, rape, et al) but dare they look at their own works of effort, the only honest assessment to admit is that their beliefs cannot be anything but based upon abstinence from sins, which leads only to a works-based salvation system of belief. The followers of works-based salvation have no way of knowing if they are saved by even the subjective standard of their own beliefs, may of whom had it taught to them by their false teaching pastors who know so little about the scriptures from which they do NOT preach.
Come on! Where are you people? Where's your courage and your assurance for your beliefs? Are you lacking in that much of the voracity to back it all up out in the open for all to see?
If you had anything whatsoever to add to the TOTAL sufficiency in the shed Blood of Christ Jesus, where's your courage and your assurance in your beliefs?
Where's that threshold? You can't possibly be serious about your own salvation dare you hang from the cliffs of that false belief system that you can't even defend from the scriptures you claim to believe without pointing back to those who were under the Mosaic Law all the way up to the cross!
School us all on just how righteous you are on the basis of your alleged abstinence from sin that theoretically assures your salvation on the basis of your own efforts! What manner of righteousness is that? Please explain it to us all.
MM
Tell you what...all who believe in loss of salvation please write down every thought you have throughout each day for a month and then read them to your churchianity congregation at the end of that month (IF your pastor would allow such, which he won't as an attempt at a backing to his own false teachings) and watch how fast your sainthood disappears in the eyes of all those around you with THEM doubting YOUR salvation...that is, IF you were honest enough to write down all your thoughts, good and bad, and read them out loud for all to hear. Do you think that would gauge your level of self-righteousness in any ability to demonstrate a continuance in any assurance of your salvation on the basis of YOUR efforts of works?
Dare anyone in that camp be honest, they have no clue where that alleged threshold can be legitimately drawn in the sands of each individual's subjective measure for salvation apart from grace through faith alone.
Everybody is expert at coming up with extreme hypotheticals as to sin and "obvious" loss of salvation (robbing banks, murder, rape, et al) but dare they look at their own works of effort, the only honest assessment to admit is that their beliefs cannot be anything but based upon abstinence from sins, which leads only to a works-based salvation system of belief. The followers of works-based salvation have no way of knowing if they are saved by even the subjective standard of their own beliefs, may of whom had it taught to them by their false teaching pastors who know so little about the scriptures from which they do NOT preach.
Come on! Where are you people? Where's your courage and your assurance for your beliefs? Are you lacking in that much of the voracity to back it all up out in the open for all to see?
If you had anything whatsoever to add to the TOTAL sufficiency in the shed Blood of Christ Jesus, where's your courage and your assurance in your beliefs?
Where's that threshold? You can't possibly be serious about your own salvation dare you hang from the cliffs of that false belief system that you can't even defend from the scriptures you claim to believe without pointing back to those who were under the Mosaic Law all the way up to the cross!
School us all on just how righteous you are on the basis of your alleged abstinence from sin that theoretically assures your salvation on the basis of your own efforts! What manner of righteousness is that? Please explain it to us all.
MM
Why debate with you?
JESUS says in John 3,
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
So your problem with just needing the spirit is not correct.
Has JESUS filled you like HE did HIS disciples in Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Peter says that is what happen when JESUS fills you, not me.
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
You claim to be sealed?
Has HE filled you so you could be sealed?
Your debate is with HIS WORD.
FYI, my thoughts sure could keep me from being saved, I like Paul have to repent daily.