Rapture true or false

[ewq1938]

You can keep inserting rapture anywhere you like. I have no problem with that. It just confuses the standard Christian tradition of the rapture of the church at the Lord's return. Maybe you are the only one trying to do so. Perhaps start a new traditional use by yourself alone?

No, since Luke wrote it not me.

But I still seriously doubt the wicked dead cast into the LOF think they are being 'raptured' into dark black eternity...Perhaps that's where your own personal original effort to redefine rapture falls apart?

Nope.

Their dead bodies are still here on earth, waiting to be resurrected unto life and rapturously rise to meet the Lord coming in the air.

You've ignored those quoted Scriptures enough for me to move on.

You mean the verse you added to? You added (body) when the writer did not. I already proved the saved dead get a new body that is in heaven. The old body is not resurrected.

 

[Psalm1]

Already explained this enough. And you understood it, and now act like you don't. So, you just like to keep arguments going.


Also already rebuked a Judaizing prophecy in the body of Christ, which you continue to ignore. So no more repeating from me.


Also already quoted Scripture of the angels gathering together the saints sent by the Lord at His second coming. Which you ignore, in order to keep pushing Judaized 'Jews-only' gathering into the body of Christ.


What cannot happen with me is endless arguing with no purpose. So, until something new comes up between us, see you then.

No
The bible is relevant no matter how much you divert and claim your all knowing deal is review, and that you have "answered" all challenges, even though you HAVENT and are being dishonest.

Sorry to bother you with scripture.
I hadn't realized your greatness.

In your mind you most likely see yourself as infallible.

We both know you can not debate.
That is WHY you blow me off with your make believe character dispersions and sillyness.

 

[Psalm1]

Since you ignore the Scriptural counter-argument of the church being resurrected and changed on earth at the Lord's return, not before. As well as rapturing to meet Him in the air, not in heaven. Then you concede the argument. But rather than also receiving the Scriptural correction, some instead move on to something else.

The part you redacted:

Rev 19:2
For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

If the marriage supper of the Lamb has already been eaten in heaven, then the great whore Babylon has also already fallen before His return to earth.

Rev 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

The marriage supper of the Lamb is come, not is done.

Rev 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

The saints should and shall be arrayed in white, as promised. Your prophecy says they should have been arrayed already...

Rev 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

All saints are now called to the Lamb's marriage supper, which call shall be made with the last trump and blessed first resurrection and rapture into the air, at His return...

1 Th 4:15
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The Scripture that you ignore, where the Lamb descends into the air, to resurrect and call His saints to meet Him there. Also says the marriage midnight call is made with His descent, to where His betrothed await His coming on earth.

The marriage supper of the Lamb will be in the air with clouds, while the inhabiters of the earth are plagued in indignation:

Rev 11:11
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Rev 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.



You also ignore the Scriptural counterargument of the angels following the Lord out of heaven, are then sent to gather the resurrected saints from the four winds of the earth, to meet Him in the air.

Rev 15:6
And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

Chosen angels of God are clothed in white linen with golden girdles, the same as the bodily resurrected Lord Jesus. They also ate food with the Lord when visiting Abraham. And they will also ride white horses with Lord out of heaven, the same as He does returning to shout the midnight call of marriage to His betrothed saints waiting for Him on earth.

Which is only be those that do wait, and do not slumber nor serve Him falsely, until He comes again to earth.

Mat 25:5
While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Mat 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

All saints still await the Lord's coming again to earth. Not wait to follow Him out of heaven, when He comes again to earth...

1 Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout...

2Pe 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

1Pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

So, are you one of those that believe you are now already resurrected into heaven, and 'reigning' with Him over the earth, in a so-called 'Spirit-only' Millennium?

Quote
""Since you ignore the Scriptural counter-argument of the church being resurrected and changed on earth at the Lord's return, not before. As well as rapturing to meet Him in the air, not in heaven. Then you concede the argument. But rather than also receiving the Scriptural correction, some instead move on to something else.""

Yes the bride is raptured and meets the resurrected saints in the air and proceeds to heaven.
Per tge bible
That is true as you indicate.

So yes move on to something else.

 

[Psalm1]

Since you ignore the Scriptural counter-argument of the church being resurrected and changed on earth at the Lord's return, not before. As well as rapturing to meet Him in the air, not in heaven. Then you concede the argument. But rather than also receiving the Scriptural correction, some instead move on to something else.

The part you redacted:

Rev 19:2
For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

If the marriage supper of the Lamb has already been eaten in heaven, then the great whore Babylon has also already fallen before His return to earth.

Rev 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

The marriage supper of the Lamb is come, not is done.

Rev 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

The saints should and shall be arrayed in white, as promised. Your prophecy says they should have been arrayed already...

Rev 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

All saints are now called to the Lamb's marriage supper, which call shall be made with the last trump and blessed first resurrection and rapture into the air, at His return...

1 Th 4:15
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The Scripture that you ignore, where the Lamb descends into the air, to resurrect and call His saints to meet Him there. Also says the marriage midnight call is made with His descent, to where His betrothed await His coming on earth.

The marriage supper of the Lamb will be in the air with clouds, while the inhabiters of the earth are plagued in indignation:

Rev 11:11
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Rev 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.



You also ignore the Scriptural counterargument of the angels following the Lord out of heaven, are then sent to gather the resurrected saints from the four winds of the earth, to meet Him in the air.

Rev 15:6
And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

Chosen angels of God are clothed in white linen with golden girdles, the same as the bodily resurrected Lord Jesus. They also ate food with the Lord when visiting Abraham. And they will also ride white horses with Lord out of heaven, the same as He does returning to shout the midnight call of marriage to His betrothed saints waiting for Him on earth.

Which is only be those that do wait, and do not slumber nor serve Him falsely, until He comes again to earth.

Mat 25:5
While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Mat 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

All saints still await the Lord's coming again to earth. Not wait to follow Him out of heaven, when He comes again to earth...

1 Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout...

2Pe 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

1Pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

So, are you one of those that believe you are now already resurrected into heaven, and 'reigning' with Him over the earth, in a so-called 'Spirit-only' Millennium?

QUOTE
"The part you redacted:
Rev 19:2
For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

If the marriage supper of the Lamb has already been eaten in heaven, then the great whore Babylon has also already fallen before His return to earth.

Correct
babylon judged before tge second coming of rev 19.
As the verse says.
Yes marriage supper in heaven as is written in Rev 19.

 

[Psalm1]

Since you ignore the Scriptural counter-argument of the church being resurrected and changed on earth at the Lord's return, not before. As well as rapturing to meet Him in the air, not in heaven. Then you concede the argument. But rather than also receiving the Scriptural correction, some instead move on to something else.

The part you redacted:

Rev 19:2
For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

If the marriage supper of the Lamb has already been eaten in heaven, then the great whore Babylon has also already fallen before His return to earth.

Rev 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

The marriage supper of the Lamb is come, not is done.

Rev 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

The saints should and shall be arrayed in white, as promised. Your prophecy says they should have been arrayed already...

Rev 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

All saints are now called to the Lamb's marriage supper, which call shall be made with the last trump and blessed first resurrection and rapture into the air, at His return...

1 Th 4:15
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The Scripture that you ignore, where the Lamb descends into the air, to resurrect and call His saints to meet Him there. Also says the marriage midnight call is made with His descent, to where His betrothed await His coming on earth.

The marriage supper of the Lamb will be in the air with clouds, while the inhabiters of the earth are plagued in indignation:

Rev 11:11
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Rev 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.



You also ignore the Scriptural counterargument of the angels following the Lord out of heaven, are then sent to gather the resurrected saints from the four winds of the earth, to meet Him in the air.

Rev 15:6
And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

Chosen angels of God are clothed in white linen with golden girdles, the same as the bodily resurrected Lord Jesus. They also ate food with the Lord when visiting Abraham. And they will also ride white horses with Lord out of heaven, the same as He does returning to shout the midnight call of marriage to His betrothed saints waiting for Him on earth.

Which is only be those that do wait, and do not slumber nor serve Him falsely, until He comes again to earth.

Mat 25:5
While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Mat 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

All saints still await the Lord's coming again to earth. Not wait to follow Him out of heaven, when He comes again to earth...

1 Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout...

2Pe 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

1Pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

So, are you one of those that believe you are now already resurrected into heaven, and 'reigning' with Him over the earth, in a so-called 'Spirit-only' Millennium?

QUOTE
""Rev 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

The marriage supper of the Lamb is come, not is done.

The part you mentally redacted is that "THE WIFE has made herself ready".
Ahem..the bride IN HEAVEN has BECOME THE WIFE.
IN HEAVEN.
Marriage supper is in heaven as Jesus prophecized at the last supper.
I thank you are trying to invent a marriage supper on Earth.
And invent the marriage supper comes years after the consummation IN HEAVEN. No they are hand in hand ...practically at the same time.

 

[Psalm1]

Since you ignore the Scriptural counter-argument of the church being resurrected and changed on earth at the Lord's return, not before. As well as rapturing to meet Him in the air, not in heaven. Then you concede the argument. But rather than also receiving the Scriptural correction, some instead move on to something else.

The part you redacted:

Rev 19:2
For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

If the marriage supper of the Lamb has already been eaten in heaven, then the great whore Babylon has also already fallen before His return to earth.

Rev 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

The marriage supper of the Lamb is come, not is done.

Rev 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

The saints should and shall be arrayed in white, as promised. Your prophecy says they should have been arrayed already...

Rev 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

All saints are now called to the Lamb's marriage supper, which call shall be made with the last trump and blessed first resurrection and rapture into the air, at His return...

1 Th 4:15
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The Scripture that you ignore, where the Lamb descends into the air, to resurrect and call His saints to meet Him there. Also says the marriage midnight call is made with His descent, to where His betrothed await His coming on earth.

The marriage supper of the Lamb will be in the air with clouds, while the inhabiters of the earth are plagued in indignation:

Rev 11:11
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Rev 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.



You also ignore the Scriptural counterargument of the angels following the Lord out of heaven, are then sent to gather the resurrected saints from the four winds of the earth, to meet Him in the air.

Rev 15:6
And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

Chosen angels of God are clothed in white linen with golden girdles, the same as the bodily resurrected Lord Jesus. They also ate food with the Lord when visiting Abraham. And they will also ride white horses with Lord out of heaven, the same as He does returning to shout the midnight call of marriage to His betrothed saints waiting for Him on earth.

Which is only be those that do wait, and do not slumber nor serve Him falsely, until He comes again to earth.

Mat 25:5
While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Mat 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

All saints still await the Lord's coming again to earth. Not wait to follow Him out of heaven, when He comes again to earth...

1 Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout...

2Pe 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

1Pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

So, are you one of those that believe you are now already resurrected into heaven, and 'reigning' with Him over the earth, in a so-called 'Spirit-only' Millennium?

QUOTE
""Rev 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

The saints should and shall be arrayed in white, as promised. Your prophecy says they should have been arrayed already...

Yes they are wearing white robes in heaven obviously earned via righteousness.
Not timing issue.
What are you spinning into it?

 

[Psalm1]

Since you ignore the Scriptural counter-argument of the church being resurrected and changed on earth at the Lord's return, not before. As well as rapturing to meet Him in the air, not in heaven. Then you concede the argument. But rather than also receiving the Scriptural correction, some instead move on to something else.

The part you redacted:

Rev 19:2
For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

If the marriage supper of the Lamb has already been eaten in heaven, then the great whore Babylon has also already fallen before His return to earth.

Rev 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

The marriage supper of the Lamb is come, not is done.

Rev 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

The saints should and shall be arrayed in white, as promised. Your prophecy says they should have been arrayed already...

Rev 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

All saints are now called to the Lamb's marriage supper, which call shall be made with the last trump and blessed first resurrection and rapture into the air, at His return...

1 Th 4:15
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The Scripture that you ignore, where the Lamb descends into the air, to resurrect and call His saints to meet Him there. Also says the marriage midnight call is made with His descent, to where His betrothed await His coming on earth.

The marriage supper of the Lamb will be in the air with clouds, while the inhabiters of the earth are plagued in indignation:

Rev 11:11
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Rev 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.



You also ignore the Scriptural counterargument of the angels following the Lord out of heaven, are then sent to gather the resurrected saints from the four winds of the earth, to meet Him in the air.

Rev 15:6
And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

Chosen angels of God are clothed in white linen with golden girdles, the same as the bodily resurrected Lord Jesus. They also ate food with the Lord when visiting Abraham. And they will also ride white horses with Lord out of heaven, the same as He does returning to shout the midnight call of marriage to His betrothed saints waiting for Him on earth.

Which is only be those that do wait, and do not slumber nor serve Him falsely, until He comes again to earth.

Mat 25:5
While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Mat 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

All saints still await the Lord's coming again to earth. Not wait to follow Him out of heaven, when He comes again to earth...

1 Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout...

2Pe 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

1Pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

So, are you one of those that believe you are now already resurrected into heaven, and 'reigning' with Him over the earth, in a so-called 'Spirit-only' Millennium?

QUOTE
""Rev 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

All saints are now called to the Lamb's marriage supper, which call shall be made with the last trump and blessed first resurrection and rapture into the air, at His return...""

Ok, you're getting at something here. Looks like to me You're trying to combine several things,...just my guess.
You're most likely trying to say there's a rapture right at revelation 19 at the white horses????, at least that's what it appears to be what you're getting at without actually coming out, say it.

If so then that is problematic.

 

[Psalm1]

Since you ignore the Scriptural counter-argument of the church being resurrected and changed on earth at the Lord's return, not before. As well as rapturing to meet Him in the air, not in heaven. Then you concede the argument. But rather than also receiving the Scriptural correction, some instead move on to something else.

The part you redacted:

Rev 19:2
For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

If the marriage supper of the Lamb has already been eaten in heaven, then the great whore Babylon has also already fallen before His return to earth.

Rev 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

The marriage supper of the Lamb is come, not is done.

Rev 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

The saints should and shall be arrayed in white, as promised. Your prophecy says they should have been arrayed already...

Rev 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

All saints are now called to the Lamb's marriage supper, which call shall be made with the last trump and blessed first resurrection and rapture into the air, at His return...

1 Th 4:15
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The Scripture that you ignore, where the Lamb descends into the air, to resurrect and call His saints to meet Him there. Also says the marriage midnight call is made with His descent, to where His betrothed await His coming on earth.

The marriage supper of the Lamb will be in the air with clouds, while the inhabiters of the earth are plagued in indignation:

Rev 11:11
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Rev 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.



You also ignore the Scriptural counterargument of the angels following the Lord out of heaven, are then sent to gather the resurrected saints from the four winds of the earth, to meet Him in the air.

Rev 15:6
And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

Chosen angels of God are clothed in white linen with golden girdles, the same as the bodily resurrected Lord Jesus. They also ate food with the Lord when visiting Abraham. And they will also ride white horses with Lord out of heaven, the same as He does returning to shout the midnight call of marriage to His betrothed saints waiting for Him on earth.

Which is only be those that do wait, and do not slumber nor serve Him falsely, until He comes again to earth.

Mat 25:5
While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Mat 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

All saints still await the Lord's coming again to earth. Not wait to follow Him out of heaven, when He comes again to earth...

1 Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend with a shout...

2Pe 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

1Pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

So, are you one of those that believe you are now already resurrected into heaven, and 'reigning' with Him over the earth, in a so-called 'Spirit-only' Millennium?

QUOTE
""Rev 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

All saints are now called to the Lamb's marriage supper, which call shall be made with the last trump and blessed first resurrection and rapture into the air, at His return...""

Again it appears that your Possibly trying to make a case that at revelation, 19 when Jesus returns with the saints on millions of white horses that that somehow is the rapture of 1 thes 4 rapture. If so that is extremely problematic, and does not line up scripture at all.

 

[Blade]

Eph 4 and with out love... come on some of you know better.. the talk here. With out love.. its in worthless.

I like this dream I have shard before. A timer...it was horizonal and had like 12 seconds left. I look out the window and it was all the stars. I am 64 seem heard (no boasting) many wonders from our Father but never in my life with Him or sinner a knowing like this. No.. as I looked at the stars.. "He's coming, He really is coming". I can't tell you how much I LOVE that... in this life so many things happen and you can get in doubt worry disbelief.. that was not here at all. There was no questioning anything.

I personally read Matt 24 where Jewish people asked Him about the end and He told them what they would see. Where when really matters sometimes. Then Jude 1:14? Enoch "Behold, the Lord cometh with myriads of his saints," Yet over the years heard "that really means angels". Ok praise God. I then read after Christ rose went up (ooh yes shouting time) 1st Thess 4 Christ comes with those that died in Christ ( not angels) dead rise when that are alive get caught up to be with Him forever.

Rapture...that has never bothered me ..if it bothers you or you don't like it don't agree then use Caught up....it means to same .. as far as I have looked in studied it. Well that's it. Well then if I keep reading it seems something is stopping in the way holding back the lawless one only when He/it is taken out of the way does the lawless one come out in the open doing things oddly he cannot do now. Hmm odd

I can see the different views if I .. I ME leave out other scriptures. I love how very few ..... talk about the OT yes! Its like Christ said you believe Moshe(Moses) .. then you should believe me ..for he wrote about Me. Christ is wow all over the OT. He went back to His Fathers hosue (where?) Siad if I go I will come back and get you, take you, receive you unto my self so (where?) I am you will be. (where ) I go you know and how. Then I read 1st Thess 4 and.. I take great comfort ...oh have to here.. as the song just said now.. "one of these days gonna see my Savoir face to face" great comfort He is coming.

So I have no lol problem being wrong....only He is right and I have no say here be it pre mid post.. yeah I was not even promised tomorrow .. so I have choice.. like a Prophet (he was but didn't like being called that) said"I am post..BUT..if Christ comes now I am ready" I love that. No one knows.. how many can believe know GOD will protect me! You think you can in a day that has never been on this earth before never will again?

I am ready now.. for pre? Mid? Post? .. No there is clear cut perfectly said verse lol .. no just watching ready living my life for Him.... want others not know He loves them so much and He is coming.. be ready or not.. remember it was our free choice. Man talk others as if your talking to Christ? How someo of you take what is being said to you.. and just wow love it..

Like the Jewish ..I guess solider talking to some doctor and once the doctor heard him say he was a jew. Oh the nurse pips in .. they had to beeeeeeeeep so much of what she said.. they wanted to kill him and they said they had in the UK killed others that said they were Jews. What I loved haha was how he reacted.. it was with a smile "yes yes yes" haha he just it was like....yes yes you wanna kill me but what about my question. So some of you that not the same but.. the why you get treated by other believers.. praise GOD.. impressed

 

[Rob7]

A Blessed Sabbath !! ... to ALL who Love the Lord, Jesus
I go to bed with the chickens, literally, most evenings. Sunsets here's, about 4:30 p CST, so Sabbath starts then. After prayers, praising & thanking our God, and listening to my favorite Professor Pastor, a short while, I'm falling asleep here at this desk. I haven't had a "TV" in about 30 years now, after becoming a "Jesus loving & believing Christian" and began to "come out of this world", being of it, but not in it, ..."Babylon"

Jesus tells us to not be like the world, but to BE LIKE HIM, "Loving God and Loving our neighbors", "fishers of men", "Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen."

I LOVE ! That very last part .... "and see ! I am with you ALWAYS ! Not only does this mean that Jesus has my back, but for those who love and believe Him, He by His Holy Spirit, "Dwells IN US" literally, Christ and His Righteousness, dwells IN US, .... Gal 2:20
Praise Our Lord, God ! Hallelujah !! Thank You, Lord Jesus !!

So! After sleeping six and a half hour, I wake up with the Holy Spirit telling me to "get up NOW", and tell All Y'all, about my love for the Sabbath.

I'm use to the Holy Spirit telling me what to do, cuz, I pray for the Holy Spirit to put His words in my mouth, and not my own. So once I've learned to get my ugly self and my self-righteousness out of the way, I'm living by" Christ that lives in me" Gal 2:20

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The Seventh-day Sabbath is a profound expression of love for our Creator God and His Son Jesus because it is an act of worship, trust, and remembrance of His creative and redemptive work.

**1. The Sabbath is a Sign of Love and Loyalty to the Creator. The Sabbath points directly to God as our Maker. By resting on the day He sanctified, we acknowledge His authority and express our love for Him as our Creator.

Genesis2:2-3:
"And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it."

Exodus20:8-11:
The fourth commandment roots Sabbath observance in the six-day Creation. "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

**2. It is a Sign of Our Relationship with God—a Covenant of Love. God gave the Sabbath as a perpetual sign of His sanctifying power and the covenant relationship with His people. Keeping it is an act of loving obedience that acknowledges He is our God.

Ezekiel 20:12: "Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them."

Exodus 31:13: "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you."

**3. It is an Expression of Love for Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath and our Redeemer. Jesus declared Himself "Lord of the Sabbath"
(Mark 2:28) and participated in its observance. Furthermore, the Sabbath is a weekly reminder of the rest found in His salvation, not just from Egypt but from sin.

Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remaineth therefore a rest [sabbatismos—Sabbath rest] to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his." This links Creation rest to spiritual rest in Christ.

Deuteronomy 5:15: In the Deuteronomy version of the Ten Commandments, the reason for Sabbath-keeping is linked to redemption from Egypt: "And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence... therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day." This prefigures our rest from the bondage of sin through Christ.

**4. The Sabbath demonstrates Loving Obedience, Which Jesus Said is Proof of Love. Jesus directly connected obedience to His commandments with love for Him. Keeping the Sabbath, as one of His commandments, is thus an act of love.

John 14:15: "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

1 John 5:3: "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

Sabbath-keeping is not a legalistic duty but a delightful privilege and the special sign of God's true people in these very last days.

Revelation 14:12, describes, ( we, I Pray ) saints as those who "keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus"). This teaches us that the Sabbath is a weekly appointment with our Creator and Redeemer, a 24-hour sanctuary in time to deepen our love relationship with Him, free from worldly cares. The Sabbath is God's perpetual memorial and a test of our loving allegiance.

AND, whenever I am in doubt about what I am to say or do, ... I just do as Jesus, ( His Righteousness, Gal 2:20) who lives in me, would do, ( WWJD ) Amen ! & Maranatha !

Blessed Sabbath Folks, "Good Nite" .. err ... "Good morning !" ... I'm going back to bed, for a "nap"

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[Psalm1]

A Blessed Sabbath !! ... to ALL who Love the Lord, Jesus
I go to bed with the chickens, literally, most evenings. Sunsets here's, about 4:30 p CST, so Sabbath starts then. After prayers, praising & thanking our God, and listening to my favorite Professor Pastor, a short while, I'm falling asleep here at this desk. I haven't had a "TV" in about 30 years now, after becoming a "Jesus loving & believing Christian" and began to "come out of this world", being of it, but not in it, ..."Babylon"

Jesus tells us to not be like the world, but to BE LIKE HIM, "Loving God and Loving our neighbors", "fishers of men", "Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen."

I LOVE ! That very last part .... "and see ! I am with you ALWAYS ! Not only does this mean that Jesus has my back, but for those who love and believe Him, He by His Holy Spirit, "Dwells IN US" literally, Christ and His Righteousness, dwells IN US, .... Gal 2:20
Praise Our Lord, God ! Hallelujah !! Thank You, Lord Jesus !!

So! After sleeping six and a half hour, I wake up with the Holy Spirit telling me to "get up NOW", and tell All Y'all, about my love for the Sabbath.

I'm use to the Holy Spirit telling me what to do, cuz, I pray for the Holy Spirit to put His words in my mouth, and not my own. So once I've learned to get my ugly self and my self-righteousness out of the way, I'm living by" Christ that lives in me" Gal 2:20

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The Seventh-day Sabbath is a profound expression of love for our Creator God and His Son Jesus because it is an act of worship, trust, and remembrance of His creative and redemptive work.

**1. The Sabbath is a Sign of Love and Loyalty to the Creator. The Sabbath points directly to God as our Maker. By resting on the day He sanctified, we acknowledge His authority and express our love for Him as our Creator.

Genesis2:2-3:
"And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it."

Exodus20:8-11:
The fourth commandment roots Sabbath observance in the six-day Creation. "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

**2. It is a Sign of Our Relationship with God—a Covenant of Love. God gave the Sabbath as a perpetual sign of His sanctifying power and the covenant relationship with His people. Keeping it is an act of loving obedience that acknowledges He is our God.

Ezekiel 20:12: "Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them."

Exodus 31:13: "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you."

**3. It is an Expression of Love for Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath and our Redeemer. Jesus declared Himself "Lord of the Sabbath"
(Mark 2:28) and participated in its observance. Furthermore, the Sabbath is a weekly reminder of the rest found in His salvation, not just from Egypt but from sin.

Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remaineth therefore a rest [sabbatismos—Sabbath rest] to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his." This links Creation rest to spiritual rest in Christ.

Deuteronomy 5:15: In the Deuteronomy version of the Ten Commandments, the reason for Sabbath-keeping is linked to redemption from Egypt: "And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence... therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day." This prefigures our rest from the bondage of sin through Christ.

**4. The Sabbath demonstrates Loving Obedience, Which Jesus Said is Proof of Love. Jesus directly connected obedience to His commandments with love for Him. Keeping the Sabbath, as one of His commandments, is thus an act of love.

John 14:15: "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

1 John 5:3: "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

Sabbath-keeping is not a legalistic duty but a delightful privilege and the special sign of God's true people in these very last days.

Revelation 14:12, describes, ( we, I Pray ) saints as those who "keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus"). This teaches us that the Sabbath is a weekly appointment with our Creator and Redeemer, a 24-hour sanctuary in time to deepen our love relationship with Him, free from worldly cares. The Sabbath is God's perpetual memorial and a test of our loving allegiance.

AND, whenever I am in doubt about what I am to say or do, ... I just do as Jesus, ( His Righteousness, Gal 2:20) who lives in me, would do, ( WWJD ) Amen ! & Maranatha !

Blessed Sabbath Folks, "Good Nite" .. err ... "Good morning !" ... I'm going back to bed, for a "nap"

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Sabbath is a person.
Jesus has become our sabbath rest.

All that legalism is the cart before the horse.

The problem with ordinances and law is that IF YOU BREAK ONE...OR BREAK 50, you are the same offender.
Break one...you are just as guilty as breaking 50.

Do the women in your church cover their heads?
Law breakers?
You should call them out, and get Real serious about that .

 

[Rob7]

Summary Timeline:

Jesus returns with power to judge His people first, and then the world.
His righteous people are resurrected and raptured into the air with Him.
The inhabiters of the earth are subject to the Lamb's tribulation and wrath.
The rebel armies around Armageddon are destroyed with His brightness.
The beast and false prophet are cast alive into the LOF.
The Lord sets His feet and throne on Mt Zion to rule for a thousand years.
Satan is bound a thousand years in hell.
The nations remaining alive are judged righteous or evil.
The righteous enter into His Millennial kingdom, and the evil are punished in hell.
The resurrected saints govern with the Lord over all nations in righteous peace and blessing.
There is a great harvest of souls among all nations unto the Lord.
Satan is loosed on earth after the thousand year Millennium expires.
The last rebellion of men on earth surrounds the camp of the saints, and is immediately destroyed by fire from God.
Satan is cast into the LOF where the beast and false prophet are.
The heaven and earth are melted with fire and flee from the Lord on His GWT.
The rest of the dead live again unto judgment of works.
There are those during the Millennium found written in the Lamb's book of life.
There are the wicked of all the earth found not written therein, and cast into the LOF.
Death and hell are cast into the LOF.
The new heaven and earth are created with the old passed away.

(Scriptures available upon request)

I REALLY appreciate your spending so much time and effort, enlightening (educating) me to the finer points of the Dispensation Religion, ... ATG ... I spent the majority of my life, not considering God, or my relationship with him. Would go to a Southern Baptist church every so often, once I decided to "straiten up, and fly right", ... Not learning any "dispensationalism" but realizing that I needed God and His Love, or else I was going to die, "permanently", one way or another. ..." the wages of sin, are death"

THEN ... I went to a Revelations & Daniel Prophecy seminar, 30+ yrs ago, presented by a local Adventist group and MY EYES WERE OPENED, and I put on "spiritual lenses" so to speak..

Man! What a BIG paradigm shift, realizing Bible Prophecy being actualized by this world, "Babylon" right outside my door.

Becoming aware of how this worlds is governed by Satan, the"Lord of this world" ... "men governing & controlling other men" because of their lust of $$ and fleshly desires. These literal and spiritual, delusions & deceptions, of Satan are taught to use from infancy. Satan and His allies ( Rev 13 ) are VERY ingenious at deluding & deceiving the masses.

Here is a short video that explains how a large group of people can lose track of reality, "spiritual reality" and "descend into delusions".

Blessing Folks, and have a Happy Restful Sabbath, in our Lord Jesus

 

[ATG]

You've notice that I don't refer to many in here as "Brother". That's because I don't consider many of those following "dispensational" theology as actual, practical, Jesus believing Christians, fellow Children ( brethren) of God. But rather "apostate christian", "false prophets" believing the Antichrist, rather than Jesus.

No one cares what you believe nor consider. Stop hypocritically calling us reprobates 'friend'

Jas 3:17 The wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Mat 24:48
The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Why do I refer to "apostate Christians, as friend?

Matthew 26:48
"Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast. And immediately he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him. And Jesus said to him, Friend, why are you come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus and took him."

Your reading of Scripture for hypocrisy, is as bad as your reading of Scripture for false doctrine.

Jesus still called Judas friend, while there was time for him to repent, and not betray Him to his enemies. After Judas did betray the Lord, then Jesus called him something entirely different:

Jhn 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

As I said, while we were simply disagreeing, it was friendly. After you begin accusing others of being a reprobate false beasts, then your 'friend' approach is adding hypocritical insult to injury.

So, be honest, don't call servants of the devil your 'friends', and we'll continue disputing the Scriptures. Afterall, I don't care about accusations and personal insults, but only the Scriptures.

Promoting some variation of a dispensational theology,

You don't know what I teach, because you don't look at anything rebuking your personal ideology long enough to understand it.

All you do is bypass any Scriptural argument disagreeing with you, and just keep on repeating your own stuff. And so, you don't know what I teach...

Now, if you were to directly address any point of Scripture I make, and can show in any error in it, then I'd be glad to see it. And I still wouldn't care what you think of me personally. I just don't like having my intelligence also insulted, but calling me 'friend'. If that's being your friend, then what do you do to the ones you call 'enemy'?

 

[ATG]

RBD said:
1Co 15:13
But if there be no resurrection of the dead (body), then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

You added (body) when the writer did not.

Dan 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Isa 26:19
Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Isa 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

Mat 27:59
And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
Jhn 20:3
Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre....Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

Mat 28:5
And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Luk 24:7
Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

Jhn 20:27
Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

What I really find interesting is not how wrong some people can be, but rather why would anyone believe anything so wrong about the Bible, that any child understands from the Bible?

The old body is not resurrected.

1Co 15:13
But if there be no resurrection of the dead (body), then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[ATG]

Quote
""Since you ignore the Scriptural counter-argument of the church being resurrected and changed on earth at the Lord's return, not before. As well as rapturing to meet Him in the air, not in heaven. Then you concede the argument. But rather than also receiving the Scriptural correction, some instead move on to something else.""

Yes the bride is raptured and meets the resurrected saints in the air and proceeds to heaven.

That is true as you indicate.

That is false as you say it.

Well, I guess that's some kind of response to what I write. Even if it's a twisted version of your own...

 

[ATG]

QUOTE
"The part you redacted:
Rev 19:2
For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

If the marriage supper of the Lamb has already been eaten in heaven, then the great whore Babylon has also already fallen before His return to earth.

Correct
babylon judged before tge second coming of rev 19.

Correct .
Babylon is judge at the Lord's second coming.

Babylon is fallen after He comes again.

QUOTE
Yes marriage supper in heaven as is written in Rev 19.

Yes the marriage supper is invited to as is written in Rev 19. The marriage supper is not already eaten. The marriage supper door is opened to the Lamb's betrothed on earth with the trump and voice of archangel's midnight call...

I would say the marriage supper of the Lamb is eaten with His resurrected saints on Mt Sion in the air. They sing the new marriage song of the Lamb.

Rev 14:3
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

 

[ATG]

QUOTE

Marriage supper is in heaven as Jesus prophecized at the last supper.

False sloppy reading.

Mat 26:29
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Mar 14:25
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

The Father's kingdom of God given to His risen Son, is the kingdom of Christ wheresoever He is:

Jhn 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The saints are not recieved by the Lord, until He comes again...

I thank you are trying to invent a marriage supper on Earth.

False sloppy reading, The marriage supper is in the air at the Lord's return to earth, when He resurrects and receives His saints unto Himself where He is, in the air...

It's almost a rule, that sloppy readers of Scripture are also sloppy readers of teaching from Scripture.

And invent the marriage supper comes years after the consummation IN HEAVEN. No they are hand in hand ...practically at the same time.

The marriage consummation is at the archangel's midnight cry, with their entrance through the door to His kingdom by resurrection and change to immortality. They are practically at the same time between resurrection and change on earth, to rapture and marriage supper, song, and new fruit of the vine in the air...

 

[ATG]

QUOTE
""Rev 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
The saints should and shall be arrayed in white, as promised. Your prophecy says they should have been arrayed already...
Yes they are wearing white robes in heaven obviously earned via righteousness.
Not timing issue.
What are you spinning into it?

Since you ignore the Scriptural counter-argument of the church being resurrected and changed on earth at the Lord's return, not before. As well as rapturing to meet Him in the air, not in heaven. Then you concede the argument. But rather than also receiving the Scriptural correction, some instead move on to something else.

Which I've already answered as well, which answer of course you ignore...

Unless you have something entirely new, then until you directly address my Scriptural counter-argument, I'll not move with you anymore...

 

[ATG]

QUOTE
All saints are now called to the Lamb's marriage supper, which call shall be made with the last trump and blessed first resurrection and rapture into the air, at His return...""

Ok, you're getting at something here. Looks like to me You're trying to combine several things,...just my guess.
You're most likely trying to say there's a rapture right at revelation 19 at the white horses????, at least that's what it appears to be what you're getting at without actually coming out, say it.

Now you're directly responding with a good question. Thanks.

'At His return' is in the air with clouds:

Rev 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

There is no 'travel-time' for the Lord between heaven and the earthly air, such as some kind of celestial travel of the mythical gods...

1Ki 18:27
And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

There is no celestial 'time gap' between the LORD of Lords departing from heaven, and coming to the earth in the air.

Jer 23:23
Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?

Even as the Word entered into the womb of the virgin at the Father's command, so shall the risen Son enter into the air at the Father's command.

The idea of 'travel-time' in Rev 19, is based upon mythology of travelling gods, and/or celestial carnal-mindedness about the Lord coming from heaven to the earth.

Therefore, at His return with clouds, the saints are resurrected and changed immortal on the earth, while every unbelieving eye sees and wails because of Him.

Then the saints rise to meet Him in the air from the four winds, escorted by His angels coming out of heaven with Him.

Then He and His saints descend to destroy the nations' armies, and cast the beast and false prophet into the LOF.

There's no time gap between coming from heaven to the earth again, but only between His appearing with glory from east to west, and destroying the armies gathered against Him.

Several things happen at once at His coming again: The eyes of all on earth seeing Him, and the resurrection and changing of the saints to rise and meet Him in the air where He is:

Jhn 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

That is when the risen Lamb drinks the new fruit of the vine with His people, where His kingdom is in the air:

Mat 26:29
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Mar 14:25
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Mat 6:10
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

 

[ATG]

QUOTE

Again it appears that your Possibly trying to make a case that at revelation, 19 when Jesus returns with the saints on millions of white horses that that somehow is the rapture of 1 thes 4 rapture. If so that is extremely problematic, and does not line up scripture at all.

I see that, outside of asking good questions for me to clarify, you are still incapable of acknowledging what I write, without fouling it with your own stuff...

The only problem here is your ideology of saints returning with the Lord, rather than waiting for Him on earth as exhorted. Which does not line up with Scripture at all.

""Since you ignore the Scriptural counter-argument of the church being resurrected and changed on earth at the Lord's return, not before. As well as rapturing to meet Him in the air, not in heaven. Then you concede the argument. But rather than also receiving the Scriptural correction, some instead move on to something else.""