Charlie Kirk - so what now ?

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I just want to encourage everyone, we had great engagement yesterday, a whole lot of posts, a whole lot of people clicking on the thumbs up (or some version of the thumbs up) and it shows with over a thousand new visitors to this thread! (y)
 
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Never said ZNP started the thread; and the idea that someone could gaslight someone into thinking they started the thread is pretty ridiculous when anyone can see the OP- which, again, addresses questions to Americans (like ZNP), and not to you, a Canadian.

Apparently you didn't read her and my posts about who we are. You might want to go back and read it again since you missed them.:rolleyes:
 
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I did not believe that the majority of the quotes were mainstream doctrine. But I shared that link for one reason, the reference to the Noahide laws. We know for a fact that is indisputable that the the major Abrahamic religions based on the Bible: Judaism, Islam, and Catholocism have worked together towards an ecumenical unity and built a compound with three worship centers. The centerpiece of that unity is something known as the "Noahide laws" and according to their interpretation they interpret Evangelical Christians as both idolatrous and blasphemous.

In Jewish tradition, violating the Noahide Laws (universal moral laws for all humanity) carries severe penalties, traditionally capital punishment (decapitation by the sword), but this historically required a fully functioning Jewish court (Sanhedrin) and specific conditions; contemporary views often see this as a maximal punishment, with punishments varying and often delegated to a society's own accepted legal system. A Noahide society is obligated to establish courts to enforce these laws, but the actual application of severe penalties depends on the local government and populace accepting these divine mandates.

I would definitely like to hear what Ben Shapiro have to say about the Noahide laws because what might have been the thing that really set him off was Candace saying "Christ is King".

No, what set him off was Candice Owens being an Antisemitic twit!! Shapiro has mentioned in many of his videos how often he tells people to go to church and how important it is. Owens is now Catholic, which has many, many of its own false beliefs. She best be digging the log out of her own eye first.




But when someone claims to be Talmudic that creates confusion. Anyone can get a copy of the Old Testament and read what it says, but how many have the Talmud? Notice how many of the ones debunking say things like "mistranslation" indicating that many of the texts are in Hebrew making it all the harder for anyone to know what a "Talmudic Jews" means. Also, notice how other times they say it was taken out of context, again, you open yourself up to this by using this term. Since no one listening to someone has a copy of their own Talmud, nor can they easily get one, they will be stuck wondering who and what to believe. Third, notice how they will also say "It is not found in any text" or in any approved doctrine. There are always going to be a few fringe nut jobs, just like Westboro Baptist. The Talmud is a collection of rabbinical teachings. Just because a rabbi is not mainstream, who is to say it is not part of the Talmud?

I carefully went through every quote, I didn't make it up. I posted exactly what it said. You can continue to believe Antisemitic copy/pastes from morons if you wish to, but they are false as stated on at least half.

BTW no ties to me at all you can buy the Talmud on Amazon for 12 bucks.


https://www.amazon.com/Talmud-English-Definition-Meaning-Complete



Anyway I'm glad you said the real problem is people are too lazy to look this stuff up for themselves. This is true, another reason why the term Talmudic Jew creates confusion. I have looked at rabbinical teachings in the past and came to the conclusion that I was not interested in getting lost in the weeds of thousands of years of rabbis debating with each other. The extent of those debates is so great that anyone who claims something "is not found in any text" is giving themselves an out because the reality is the Talmudic teachings are vast, like saying no Christian teacher has taught something "in any text that we have examined". No one can claim to know what every Christian teacher has ever taught. That said I do believe that the basis for decapitating Christians during the seven year tribulation will be the Noahide laws.

Well I didn't figure you'd give in and trust the info I posted. You can have whatever opinion you like but that doesn't make them fact. I gave the facts, I didn't go to Antisemitic sites and copy/paste like the moron in the link did.
 
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Wow! Erika Kirk confirms that Charlie Kirk actually did send out messages the day before that they were going to kill him! She had his phone but didn't check his imessages!

That is huge, to have knowledge beforehand of the assassination is very compelling evidence that more people than just Tyler Robinson were involved.
I hope all those on this thread falsely stating Candace was lying about this are now going to repent for supporting the lie. Whether Erika lied accidentally or on purpose has no bearing on the fact these others supported the lie.

My guess is that apologies won't be forthcoming, because those who supported the deception don't really care about right or wrong, just politics.
 
I hope all those on this thread falsely stating Candace was lying about this are now going to repent for supporting the lie. Whether Erika lied accidentally or on purpose has no bearing on the fact these others supported the lie.

My guess is that apologies won't be forthcoming, because those who supported the deception don't really care about right or wrong, just politics.


One side of the story, when we hear the rest we will decide. CO has twisted and lied about things she herself has said so she can point no fingers.
 
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I hope all those on this thread falsely stating Candace was lying about this are now going to repent for supporting the lie. Whether Erika lied accidentally or on purpose has no bearing on the fact these others supported the lie.

My guess is that apologies won't be forthcoming, because those who supported the deception don't really care about right or wrong, just politics.

Random red x back at ya. smh
 
I carefully went through every quote, I didn't make it up. I posted exactly what it said. You can continue to believe Antisemitic copy/pastes from morons if you wish to, but they are false as stated on at least half.

BTW no ties to me at all you can buy the Talmud on Amazon for 12 bucks.


https://www.amazon.com/Talmud-English-Definition-Meaning-Complete
LOL, right!

Here is a 21 volume set for the Talmud, $500 --

https://mekorjudaica.com/product/ta...462&gbraid=0AAAAADnN40hTm-b1NDUcUZ_5l_o0JVYwO

Here is a complete set of the Mishnah, 23 volume set, $500+

https://www.judaicaplace.com/schott...mplete-23-volume-set-hardcover/9781422623008/

By the way, they are both in Hebrew.

The Talmud (Hebrew for “study”) is one of the central works of the Jewish people. It is the record of rabbinic teachings that spans a period of about six hundred years, beginning in the first century C.E. and continuing through the sixth and seventh centuries C.E. The rabbinic teachings of the Talmud explain in great detail how the commandments of the Torah are to be carried out. For example, the Torah teaches us that one is prohibited from working on the Sabbath. But what does that really mean? There is no detailed definition in the Torah of “work.” The talmuidc tractate called Shabbat therefore devotes an entire chapter to the meaning of work and the various categories of prohibited work.

The Talmud is made up of two separate works: the Mishnah, primarily a compilation of Jewish laws, written in Hebrew and edited sometimes around 200 C.E. in Israel; and the Gemara, the rabbinic commentaries and discussions on the Mishnah, written in Hebrew and Aramaic, which emanated from Israel and Babylonia over the next three hundred years. There are two Talmuds: the Y’rushalmi or Jerusalem Talmud (from Israel) and the Bavli or Babylonian Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud, which was edited after the Jerusalem Talmud and is much more widely known, is generally considered more authoritative than the Jerusalem Talmud.
Rabbi Y’hudah HaNasi (Judah the Prince) is thought to be the editor of the sixty-three tractates of Mishnah in which the laws are encoded. The main editor of the Gemara is generally assumed to be Rav Ashi, who spent over fifty years collecting the material. The final revision and editing were most likely undertaken by Ravina (500 C.E.)


The Talmud’s discussions are recorded in a consistent format. A law from the Mishnah is cited, followed by rabbinic deliberations on its meaning (i.e., the Gemara). At times, the rabbinic discussions wander far afield from the original topic. The Rabbis whose views are cited in the Mishnah are known as Tannaim (Aramaic for “teachers”), while the Rabbis quoted in the Gemara are known as Amoraim (“explainers” or “interpreters”). The Talmuds, especially the Talmud of Babylonia, also contain a good deal of aggadah: commentary on biblical narratives, stories about biblical figures and earlier Rabbinic sages, and speculations concerning physical reality and human nature. In short, anything that was of interest to the Rabbis wound up in the Talmud, which in turn became a kind of encyclopedia of the Rabbinic mind.

As books of law, the Talmuds differ greatly from the Mishnah in style and approach. The Mishnah states its rules in a straightforward manner, usually not supporting them with scriptural references or other argumentation. The Talmuds (and this is especially true of the Babylonian Talmud) are dialectical: their predominant form is debate, in which propositions are raised, attacked, refuted, and modified through the give-and-take of argument and counterargument.
Thus for example, if a person wanted to find out about the laws related to Rosh HaShanah, one would go to the tractate called Rosh HaShanah and would find there numerous laws and customs related to the festival. Likewise, if one wanted to find the laws and customs about Shabbat, one could go to the tractate of the same name.


“Correct” answers emerge out of the process of argument that fills the Talmud and all the books written to explain it. They are tentative conclusions whose rightness is based upon the ability of one school of thought to persuade the community of Rabbinic scholars that its point of view represents the best understanding of Torah and of God’s demands upon us.

As the earliest rabbinic interpretation of the Bible, the Talmud is indispensable to understanding the laws and customs still practiced today. The Talmudic discussion and its conclusions provide us with the origins of our many laws and customs. Studying the Talmud can help us search for the many important issues and values that are essential to a thinking and committed Jew. To study Talmud is to take one’s part in the discourse of the generations, to add one’s own voice to the chorus of conversation and argument that has for nearly two millennia been the form and substance of Jewish law.
 
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Just one time of many you've been wrong, @RoastLamb. And no apology forthcoming yet? I'm not surprised.


That's because I'm not wrong. And every single time I have been right. When I'm actually wrong we'll think about an apology.





I don't do random red x's, @RoastLamb.

I don't give people insulting nicknames. Like I said, make fun of a classic hymn, you're making yourself look foolish. So what was the red x for? Nah, scratch that, I don't care.
 
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That's because I'm not wrong. And every single time I have been right. When I'm actually wrong we'll think about an apology.
I just gave you an example. Or were you backing Candace Owens on this occasion? :LOL::LOL::LOL:

I don't give people insulting nicknames. Like I said, make fun of a classic hymn, you're making yourself look foolish. So what was the red x for? Nah, scratch that, I don't care.
The red x was for being wrong, @RoastLamb.
 
LOL, right!

Here is a 21 volume set for the Talmud, $500 --

https://mekorjudaica.com/product/ta...462&gbraid=0AAAAADnN40hTm-b1NDUcUZ_5l_o0JVYwO

Here is a complete set of the Mishnah, 23 volume set, $500+

https://www.judaicaplace.com/schott...mplete-23-volume-set-hardcover/9781422623008/

By the way, they are both in Hebrew.
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Why would you want it in Hebrew?! You were screaming that people had no access to one and couldn't understand it if they did. Well you can, for 12 bucks. Problem solved. Thank you but the Talmud info shared I already knew.
 
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I just gave you an example. Or were you backing Candace Owens on this occasion? :LOL::LOL::LOL:

CO is full of lies, conspiracy theories and hate. That's one heck of a love connection she made. Turned her into a silly, nasty woman who sane people are backing away from as quickly as possible as she goes deeper into the rabbit whole.


The red x was for being wrong, @RoastLamb.

Well you need to erase it because I was not wrong. Charles the 3rd, why choose that name?
 
CO is full of lies, conspiracy theories and hate. That's one heck of a love connection she made. Turned her into a silly, nasty woman who sane people are backing away from as quickly as possible as she goes deeper into the rabbit whole.
Candace Owens has the subscribers she has because she speaks the truth, irrespective of the cost. And the personal cost to her is great. There are plenty of silly, nasty, insane people making up lies about her and trying to defend their regime of evil. And the more the truth exposes it, the more insane they get. Really despicable.

Well you need to erase it because I was not wrong. Charles the 3rd, why choose that name?
You were wrong, so I won't erase it. And I chose Charles the 3rd so as not to get mixed up with a hymn.
 
Why would you want it in Hebrew?! You were screaming that people had no access to one and couldn't understand it if they did. Well you can, for 12 bucks. Problem solved. Thank you but the Talmud info shared I already knew.
I am not aware of any english translation and why would you want it in a translation when they are "debunking" you by saying it is a mistranslation.
 
Candace Owens has the subscribers she has because she speaks the truth, irrespective of the cost. And the personal cost to her is great.


Oh baloney! She's making a fast fortune on this, how naive can you be!? And you're part of it! lol


There are plenty of silly, nasty, insane people making up lies about her and trying to defend their regime of evil. And the more the truth exposes it, the more insane they get. Really despicable.

She's full of it, she can't even tell the truth when caught in her own words lying!! That dumb fake expression like she doesn't know the truth. I can't believe people are so easily swayed by her lies and utter stupidity.


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G7Ud_bYDIRw


You were wrong, so I won't erase it.

Listen, you denying facts makes YOU wrong. Feelings don't matter, facts do.


And I chose Charles the 3rd...

It's an odd name to choose, unless it is your name.
 
I am not aware of any english translation and why would you want it in a translation when they are "debunking" you by saying it is a mistranslation.


So how did they get the English translation in the link you shared? Hebrew isn't a dead language. Nazis and other Antisemites have mistranslated the Talmud on purpose. The same as atheists have done to the Bible.
 
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