Charlie Kirk - so what now ?

[pinebeach]

Instead of hypothetical stories about toasters, this thread is about the first amendment. Supposedly the core value of conservatives and something we have been battling for the last five years.

Generally there are two accepted ways to respond to someone like Candace Owens. You can simply go to another thread, or you can debate the questions she asked. Instead @SomeDisciple is right:


Yep, here is a sampling of the attempt to make this about her


Candace wants to be Info Wars 2.0


Candace Owen trying to milk this story for all the money she can make off of it


Did Candace Owens pay to have Charlie Kirk ass*ss*nated?


Candace Owen and her followers won't be able to get Tyler Robinson acquitted no matter how hard they try.


nutjobs such as Candace Owens


Candace is talking trash


Erika uncorks a major lawsuit against Candace to take all her ill gotten money earned spreading lies


One of these days we'll probably hear in the news that Candace Owens has had a psychotic break and she'll now being living in the nut hut where she belongs along with all the other mental midgets


You know, Candace is laughing all the way to the bank.


'Candace Owens grifts mercilessly


This guy makes a great argument from scripture that Conspiracy Theorists Are Going to Hell Too bad for Candace Owens and all the racist Jew hater that follow her

The quote from SomeDisciple was from Monday which means you had to go all the way back there to find something to use that you thought might have import. I answered his false claim because this thread was not started by you ZNP. You took it over and managed to confuse (gaslighting) some people into thinking you had started it.

You manipulate things. I am also guessing I am one of the people you have on ignore. However, since I know you do nothing but manipulate and claim innocence when someone objects to your posts, I could care less because this is not for your benefit since you already know what you do.

This thread op was originally:

The killing of Charlie Kirk is a terrible, devastating, tragic event. My condolances to his familiy and friends.

But my question today is as follows: What now, dear americans ? Which impact will his death have on your society?
As a non-american, my first analysis is as follows. You have, in my opinion, mainly two ways of reacting:

- "Peace and love". You americans come together, from each wing and every fraction, and you say:
"Enough is enough !" Enough hatred, enough polarization, enough violence, enough killings. Let us unite in a brotherhood
and be friends, despite some disagreement on this or that. Peace and love !

- War. Expand the hatred, expand the war. You are not me and you will never be. I hate you, your group and your opinions!
I am a warrior of the good side and anyone not with us is an enemy. War !

So which solution do you - reading this - support?
This is a serious question; it's about the future of the United States of America.

You took it over. You quote the Bible as if it was written only for you and you use OT scripture and try to make yourself seem like some sort of prophet; always saying I knew this or I knew that.


Oh, it is about toasters. It's about anything at all actually, except for the reason it was started.

 

[pinebeach]

And so I use the New Testament verse "you shall know them by their works".

We know you by the works you have done in this thread.

 

[pinebeach]

So ZNP changes what people say, alters posts, takes over other people's threads and now we have 90 pages of him posting Candace Owens videos and this nonsense:

Wow, we have had 1,000 new visitors to this thread since the last time I pointed this out and it is all due to all the engagement, that is what drives the algorithm which is sending this thread out to the world.! Even if you don't have anything to say there is a little thumbs up emoji at the bottom right and a variety of different emojis you can click. By simply clicking any of those emojis you are giving this thread a thumbs up to the algorithm, and that engagement is what is really helping to push out the truth in this thread to thousands (at this point 45k+). This is important, if no one sees these posts implicating a frame job by the deep state and a coverup of a military operation in this assassination then they can get away with passing off some patsy as the killer. Therefore, thank you to everyone who has engaged in this thread, your contribution has been very helpful at sending out the truth.

thank you? Oh you're welcome. We are pleased to point out the truth that owens is certifiable in a very wicked way.

If no one sees these posts? What are you on? did you ever hear of the internet? smh

 

[Eli1]

So ZNP changes what people say, alters posts, takes over other people's threads and now we have 90 pages of him posting Candace Owens videos and this nonsense:

A lot of his posts remind me of Spanish telenovelas ... or worse ... Turkish telenovelas where the names of ALL episodes are called "Throw spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks".

 

[pinebeach]

A lot of his posts remind me of Spanish telenovelas ... or worse ... Turkish telenovelas where the names of ALL episodes are called "Throw spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks".

Would someone please point him at a wall?

 

[pinebeach]

Ben Shapiro says that the single biggest reason he is loyal to the US is because of our policy towards Israel.

Hopefully this comment of his has absolutely nothing to do with his attack on Candace in the same speech. In this country your backing away from a pro Israel stance as Charlie Kirk is alleged to have been in the process of doing is not a justification for assassinating him.

I am a firm believer that the promise in the Bible that those who bless Israel will be blessed is still in effect. I am also a firm believer that the New Testament verses referring to the synagogue of Satan are also still in effect. I also agree with the verse that "not all who claim to be Israel are Israel" (Romans 9:6). I understand that Abraham had a child by faith and one by the flesh. And so I use the New Testament verse "you shall know them by their works".

Ben Shapiro says
Tucker says
The Bible says
Disciple says
1000 new people say
Candace says

Nobody knows me on that list, but I believe they owe me for posting about them

 

[ZNP]

On that blog, Candace Owens wrote — and I quote — about the “bat-sh*t-crazy antics of the Republican Tea Party.”

She actually wrote those words. She published them. Under her own name.

But there’s more. She also wrote: “The good news is, they will eventually die off (peacefully in their sleep, we hope), and then we can get right on with the OBVIOUS social change that needs to happen, IMMEDIATELY.”

In 2016, Degree180 (Owens Blog) published an article mocking Donald Trump’s anatomy. His penis size, to be specific. The article called Trump’s actions “racist, bigoted and downright offensive.”

SOCIAL AUTOPSY: THE SMOKING GUN

On April 13, 2016, Candace Owens launched a Kickstarter campaign for something called SocialAutopsy.com. The goal was to raise $75,000 to build a database where people could submit screenshots of “offensive posts” to publicly expose internet bullies.

Here’s how she described it in her own words from the Kickstarter pitch: “We attach [people’s] words to their places of employment, and anybody in the entire world can search for them. What we are doing is figuratively lifting the masks up so nobody can hide behind, you know, Twitter handles or privatized profiles.”

Think about that.

After Social Autopsy failed, Candace Owens claimed she “became a conservative overnight.” Her own explanation? She said: “I realized that liberals were actually the racists. Liberals were actually the trolls… Social Autopsy is why I’m conservative.”

One failed Kickstarter. That’s what we’re told turned her from “Republicans should die peacefully in their sleep” to “Trump is the savior of Western civilization.”

And this pattern — this “scorn me and I’ll destroy you” pattern — would repeat itself over and over again:

2016: Liberals reject Social Autopsy → She burns the left and becomes “conservative.”

2018: Charlie finds Erika → She leaves TPUSA and finds George.

2024: Daily Wire rejects her → She burns them down.

2025: Trump doesn’t do what she wants on Israel → She burns him down.

2025: TPUSA doesn’t invite her to the memorial → She burns Erika and TPUSA down.

DAVID HOROWITZ: THE JEWISH MAN WHO MADE HER

Now sit up straight. Because what I’m about to tell you is the key to understanding everything that’s happened since.

Before Candace Owens was anybody — before she had any platform, any connections, any fame — she got an email. An email from David Horowitz, inviting her to speak at one of his Freedom Center events.

Here’s how Candace herself described it: “I started my career, my political career, on YouTube making just funny, satirical videos, and I got an email from David Horowitz inviting me to this conference, and let me just tell you what a big deal it was for me. I had no connections whatsoever.”

Candace joined the Daily Wire in 2021. By 2024, she was gone.

Along the way, she defended Kanye West through his Hitler praise. She took Hamas’s side after October 7, 2023. She liked a tweet promoting medieval blood libel against Jews.

In March 2024, she was fired.

Then came the full unmasking.

“Jews are not demonic.” (Basically, less than human)

“Netanyahu is a demon.”




Let’s look at the résumé:

Three companies started — two failed immediately, one (Social Autopsy) was shut down by Kickstarter in twenty-four hours.

TPUSA (2017-2019) — Couldn’t last two years with her “best friend” Charlie Kirk.

Prager U — Asked to leave.

Daily Wire — “Hated” Ben Shapiro by her own admission. Gone within months of real conflict.

Stephen Crowder — Tried to destroy him on her way out.

Every bridge. Burned.

Every relationship. Ended.

Every organization. Left in flames.

That’s not conviction. That’s a pattern.

THE QURAN: THE FINAL BETRAYAL

Nothing prepared me for this.

Candace Owens — the woman who rode conservative Christianity to fame — is now reading the Quran to her audience.

The book that calls America “the Great Satan.”

The book that calls Christians “infidels.”

The foundational text for every terrorist organization that has attacked American soil.

She’s not studying it academically. She’s promoting it. To conservatives. To Christians.

The mask isn’t slipping anymore. The mask is off.
THE COMPLETE STORY OF CANDACE OWENS: A PATTERN EXPOSED

The two most controversial tweets that she made which prompted her being fired from the Daily Wire and which they then highlighted to explain her being fired was this:

"Genocide is always wrong" and "Pornography is harming men".

Imagine those two tweets igniting a firestorm. Obviously they did not take those tweets at face value but inferred meaning in these tweets as being an attack on Israel. That seems to me to be extremely paranoid.

Now if Ben Shapiro had simply responded that "Israel is doing everything in their power to warn the civilians to leave, it is Hamas who are using them as human shields" that would have been far more persuasive with me than for him to lose a gasket and fire her in what appears to be a fit of paranoia.

 

[Citizen]

The actual reasons Owens' was fired from the Daily Wire -

"The Daily Wire, the right-wing media outlet co-founded by Ben Shapiro, said Friday that it had severed ties with Candace Owens, the far-right commentator who has ignited a torrent of backlash in recent months for her repeated embrace of antisemitic rhetoric.

But since the October 7 Hamas terror attack on Israel, Owens has repeatedly waded into antisemitic waters as she fiercely criticized Israel, suggesting the Jewish government was committing “genocide” in Gaza and claiming there is a sinister “small ring” of Jewish people in Hollywood and Washington, DC involved in something “quite sinister.”

In November, Shapiro, who is Jewish, called out Owens for her “disgraceful” rhetoric, blasting her “faux sophistication” on the topic." link

 

[ZNP]

Wow this is incredible. Yesterday Candace Owens had an interview with a man who claimed to have seen Harpole (head of Charlie Kirk's security) and a congressman (who he named on the show) with a whole bunch of military men at a military base used for planning these special ops. This was September 9th, the day before Charlie was assassinated. Because of this many people in this congressman's district asked him if he was there. He claimed he was in his district and left to return to Washington DC on the 8th and then on the 9th was in a 12 hour meeting with his congressional committee. But get this, they checked his alibi and he missed the first two roll calls on the 9th and was not present until mid afternoon. The meeting he was seen at was at 7:30am. He left his district on the 8th so he could have easily been there, and it would have only been 3 hours flight from this military base back to Washington DC so his alibi does not in way say he couldn't have been in the meeting.

What Does Ben Shapiro Know About Erika Kirk And Fort Huachuca? | Candace Ep 283

She shares this at the end of this podcast, about the last twenty seven minutes of the podcast.

 

[ZNP]

Wow this is incredible. Yesterday Candace Owens had an interview with a man who claimed to have seen Harpole (head of Charlie Kirk's security) and a congressman (who he named on the show) with a whole bunch of military men at a military base used for planning these special ops. This was September 9th, the day before Charlie was assassinated. Because of this many people in this congressman's district asked him if he was there. He claimed he was in his district and left to return to Washington DC on the 8th and then on the 9th was in a 12 hour meeting with his congressional committee. But get this, they checked his alibi and he missed the first two roll calls on the 9th and was not present until mid afternoon. The meeting he was seen at was at 7:30am. He left his district on the 8th so he could have easily been there, and it would have only been 3 hours flight from this military base back to Washington DC so his alibi does not in way say he couldn't have been in the meeting.

What Does Ben Shapiro Know About Erika Kirk And Fort Huachuca? | Candace Ep 283

She shares this at the end of this podcast, about the last twenty seven minutes of the podcast.

What is a Talmudic Jew?

In this clip she refers to a book about the Talmudic Man to help us understand Ben Shapiro who claims to be a Talmudic man.

Here are some quotes from the Talmud. The Talmud refers to rabbinic writings and commentaries.

https://www.pawd.uscourts.gov/sites/pawd/files/1429_2023-07-17.pdf

I expect these quotes are the most vile ones they could find. There is no context to them which might somewhat reduce how horrible these quotes are, but there is no way these quotes were some kind of joke and even with some kind of additional context I doubt the horror of these quotes can be removed.

I don't believe this refers to Jews in general, nor does it refer to Orthodox Jews. But it would certainly refer to someone who calls themself a "Talmudic Jew", not all Christians are Catholic, and not even all Catholics are that strict about what the Pope has to say. But if someone identifies themself as someone who strictly adheres to the teachings of the Popes, then you can fairly determine that they are not ignorant of those teachings and are not rejecting them. So I think it is reasonable for people to ask Ben Shapiro to tell us what he thinks of these quotes since he identifies as a Talmudic Jew.

I would caution people, Christians have their fringe bigots, Islam has their extremists, it should come as no surprise that Jews have theirs as well [I am using the term "Christian" to refer to the religion, not to people who are born again and saved by the blood of Jesus]. The question I have is whether or not Ben Shapiro identifies with these quotes and will defend them and if not, if he will openly repudiate them, then why identify as a "Talmudic Jew"?

 

[ZNP]

Did Charlie Kirk's Neck Stop A 30-06? We Ran the Test

They show us that from 200 yards away a 30-06 bullet will pierce flesh, a femur from a cow and a cinder block all at the same time. Obviously it would not be stopped by Charlie's neck bone and anyone telling you it would must think you are an idiot.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I would caution people, Christians have their fringe bigots,

Bigots against whom? Do you have a for instance?

Islam has their extremists,

No Islam IS extreme, the entire "religion" if you want to use that term loosely.

it should come as no surprise that Jews have theirs as well [I am using the term "Christian" to refer to the religion, not to people who are born again and saved by the blood of Jesus]. The question I have is whether or not Ben Shapiro identifies with these quotes and will defend them and if not, if he will openly repudiate them, then why identify as a "Talmudic Jew"?

So who is he bigoted against?

 

[ZNP]

Bigots against whom? Do you have a for instance?

Cults, groups like Westboro Baptist, etc.




No Islam IS extreme, the entire "religion" if you want to use that term loosely.


So who is he bigoted against? [/QUOTE]

Did you read the link that I posted? The quotes from the Talmud are so offensive they would be seen as hate speech if I were to quote them.

As for the Muslims, take a look at these quotes, hard to believe there are 2 billion people around the world who are Muslim that would be this extreme. Some, yes, but not all.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Cults, groups like Westboro Baptist, etc.

You answered your own question there. Cults.

Did you read the link that I posted? The quotes from the Talmud are so offensive they would be seen as hate speech if I were to quote them.

As for the Muslims, take a look at these quotes, hard to believe there are 2 billion people around the world who are Muslim that would be this extreme. Some, yes, but not all.

The religion is extreme, it's radical. Muhammad beheaded people who would not convert. They haven't swayed far from that ideal to this day. Those who practice the religion are radical. Show me where Jews are radical like Islam is.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Did you read the link that I posted? The quotes from the Talmud are so offensive they would be seen as hate speech if I were to quote them.

1. "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

That quote is a fabrication and does not exist in the Talmud.

• Source of the Hoax: Many of these "quotes" originate from 19th-century antisemitic literature, such as The Talmud Unmasked by Justin Pranaitis, which was debunked for mistranslations and total fabrications.
• Sanhedrin 59a Content: The actual text discusses religious study and the Noahide Laws; it contains no language comparing the killing of non-Jews to wild animals.
• Misleading Citations: Some viral lists also cite "Libbre David 37" or "Choschen Hamm," which are either non-existent books or references to the Shulchan Aruch (a legal code written 1,000 years after the Talmud), often with invented text attached to them.

2. "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

The statement, "even the best of the gentiles should be killed," is a controversial phrase often cited in anti-Semitic propaganda and online hate speech, typically claimed to be from the Talmud. The phrase is widely disputed by Jewish scholars and organizations as being a gross mistranslation, taken out of context, or an outright fabrication


3. "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death." Kinda like how we don't put gays or witches to death today.

It is important to note that modern Jewish scholars and movements hold diverse views on this matter, and many contemporary authorities do not uphold this ruling in the literal, capital sense, viewing it more as a theological or spiritual boundary rather than a practical legal one in today's world.

4. "To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal the killing of all Jews, for If the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."


A widely circulated antisemitic canard. It is presented as an authentic quote from Jewish religious texts, often cited without proper context or, more commonly, is a misrepresentation or a complete fabrication.


5. "If a Jew be called upon to explaln any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will vlolate this order shall be put to death."

Is a widely circulated anti-Semitic fabrication and does not appear in any authentic Jewish text.

6. "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age." I didn't even have to look this one up to tell you it's bull

This claim is a complete misinterpretation of what is being discussed. Instead, the conversation is asking: If a child was violated,can she still be considered a virgin when seeking a husband?

7. "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

Is a complete fabrication and a widely circulated antisemitic canard. It does not appear in the Talmud or any other authentic Jewish literature. But guess which religion does actually say that? Right, Islam.

8. "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

Fact-checking resources and academic studies often classify these lists—which include quotes like "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed"—as Talmudic forgeries or propaganda. Many of these originated from 19th-century anti-semitic works (like those by August Rohling) that mistranslated or fabricated text to incite hostility.

9. "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

• Theological Context: The actual Jewish law (Halakha) regarding mercy and interactions with non-Jews is complex. While certain ancient texts include harsh rulings specifically against idolaters who were actively hostile to Israelites at the time, these do not apply to modern "Goyim" (gentiles).
• Antisemitic Origin: Organizations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the American Jewish Committee (AJC) identify these lists as "Talmudic forgeries" popularized in the 19th century (notably by August Rohling) to incite antisemitism.
• Contradictory Teachings: Mainstream Jewish ethics emphasize Kiddush Hashem (sanctifying God's name) through honest and ethical treatment of all people, often citing that "the righteous of all nations have a share in the world to come" 10. "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideratlon to wipe him off the face of the earth."

Is a widely circulated antisemitic fabrication that appears in various compilations of decontextualized and mistranslated passages presented as authentic Jewish scripture. It is not a legitimate part of the Talmud or any normative Jewish text.

Will continue the next 10 in the next post.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Did you read the link that I posted? The quotes from the Talmud are so offensive they would be seen as hate speech if I were to quote them.

11. "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by se doing, Christians will pralse the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

The passage you provided contains quotes that are not representative of mainstream Judaism. The terms and concepts presented appear to originate from historical criticisms of Jewish texts, often taken out of context or misattributed, rather than authentic contemporary Jewish legal (Halachic) sources

12. "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks If our books contain anything against them."

This quote is a documented fabrication and does not exist in any legitimate Jewish religious text. It is part of a long-standing history of antisemitic propaganda used to falsely claim that Jewish law encourages deception against non-Jews.

13. "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

• Context of Ritual Law: The passage is part of a legalistic debate about who is subject to certain biblical laws of ritual defilement, rather than a moral judgment on the essence of humanity.
• Universal Humanity: Major Jewish denominations and authorities consistently affirm the shared humanity and dignity of all people. For instance, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) notes that such passages are frequently taken out of context by extremist groups to promote antisemitic tropes.
• Counter-Teachings: Other foundational texts, such as the Mishnah (Sanhedrin 4:5), emphasize that all humans descend from a single individual to teach that destroying one life is equivalent to destroying an entire world, regardless of background. Remember Jesus said "He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
  
  The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
  
  He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.”
  
  “Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.” Is a bogus anti-Semitic quotation not found in any canonical Jewish text like the Talmud or Torah. It originates from anti-Jewish propaganda that circulated as false quotes, sometimes citing a non-existent book called "Simeon Haddarsen. 14. "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night." Is a fabricated quote and an antisemitic canard. 15. "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves." Is a bogus anti-Semitic quotation not found in any canonical Jewish text like the Talmud or Torah.
  16. "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl." is a falsified or mistranslated quote commonly circulated in antisemitic materials. 17. "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but If a Jew kills a goy, he Is NOT responsible." Halakhic authorities unanimously agree that it is strictly forbidden for a Jew to kill a non-Jew. It is considered a grave sin and a desecration of God's name 18. "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. is permitted to kill him even before he denounces." This quote is found in sources that present collections of decontextualized quotes from Jewish texts, often to support an antisemitic narrative. Jewish legal experts and sources widely state that murder is strictly forbidden in Judaism, as it is one of the Seven Laws of Noah and one of the Ten Commandments. 19. "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples." Is a widely circulated antisemitic canard falsely attributed to the Talmud. NOW I have taken the time to go through every single quote. So let's drop the subject about the Talmud and how awful it is. The moron who posted those quotes in the link you shared copy/pasted from some Antisemitic site. He didn't even bother to look it up for himself. That is why this keeps spreading. Because people are too lazy to look up facts for themselves.

 

[SomeDisciple]

I answered his false claim because this thread was not started by you ZNP. You took it over and managed to confuse (gaslighting) some people into thinking you had started it.

Never said ZNP started the thread; and the idea that someone could gaslight someone into thinking they started the thread is pretty ridiculous when anyone can see the OP- which, again, addresses questions to Americans (like ZNP), and not to you, a Canadian.

 

[ZNP]

Because people are too lazy to look up facts for themselves.

I did not believe that the majority of the quotes were mainstream doctrine. But I shared that link for one reason, the reference to the Noahide laws. We know for a fact that is indisputable that the the major Abrahamic religions based on the Bible: Judaism, Islam, and Catholocism have worked together towards an ecumenical unity and built a compound with three worship centers. The centerpiece of that unity is something known as the "Noahide laws" and according to their interpretation they interpret Evangelical Christians as both idolatrous and blasphemous.

In Jewish tradition, violating the Noahide Laws (universal moral laws for all humanity) carries severe penalties, traditionally capital punishment (decapitation by the sword), but this historically required a fully functioning Jewish court (Sanhedrin) and specific conditions; contemporary views often see this as a maximal punishment, with punishments varying and often delegated to a society's own accepted legal system. A Noahide society is obligated to establish courts to enforce these laws, but the actual application of severe penalties depends on the local government and populace accepting these divine mandates.

I would definitely like to hear what Ben Shapiro have to say about the Noahide laws because what might have been the thing that really set him off was Candace saying "Christ is King".

As for those quotes: I am well aware that those quotes have nothing to do with the Old Testament law. But this is why I take issue with the term "Talmudic Jew". I get that an orthodox Jew is one who is taking the word of God as inerrant and fashioning his life according to the word of God. I also get that the majority of people claiming to be Jews are not Orthodox.

But when someone claims to be Talmudic that creates confusion. Anyone can get a copy of the Old Testament and read what it says, but how many have the Talmud? Notice how many of the ones debunking say things like "mistranslation" indicating that many of the texts are in Hebrew making it all the harder for anyone to know what a "Talmudic Jews" means. Also, notice how other times they say it was taken out of context, again, you open yourself up to this by using this term. Since no one listening to someone has a copy of their own Talmud, nor can they easily get one, they will be stuck wondering who and what to believe. Third, notice how they will also say "It is not found in any text" or in any approved doctrine. There are always going to be a few fringe nut jobs, just like Westboro Baptist. The Talmud is a collection of rabbinical teachings. Just because a rabbi is not mainstream, who is to say it is not part of the Talmud?

Anyway I'm glad you said the real problem is people are too lazy to look this stuff up for themselves. This is true, another reason why the term Talmudic Jew creates confusion. I have looked at rabbinical teachings in the past and came to the conclusion that I was not interested in getting lost in the weeds of thousands of years of rabbis debating with each other. The extent of those debates is so great that anyone who claims something "is not found in any text" is giving themselves an out because the reality is the Talmudic teachings are vast, like saying no Christian teacher has taught something "in any text that we have examined". No one can claim to know what every Christian teacher has ever taught. That said I do believe that the basis for decapitating Christians during the seven year tribulation will be the Noahide laws.

 

[ZNP]

The Noahide laws in the US and Implications for the Antichrist and those who worship Jesus Christ.

Kabbalah, Trump, and the 7 Noahide Laws

Hebrew Roots: Many Eventually Deny Jesus

 

[ZNP]

The Noahide laws in the US and Implications for the Antichrist and those who worship Jesus Christ.

Kabbalah, Trump, and the 7 Noahide Laws

Hebrew Roots: Many Eventually Deny Jesus

9 minutes and 50 seconds into the first video it mentions two congressmen who brought a bill in to make preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ illegal and punishable by being imprisoned. This should not be seen as far fetched as in the UK three people have been arrested for praying quietly and in the US one guy that I know of was arrested for preaching the gospel on the street. They claimed it was because he was using an unlicensed amplification device which was a tiny speaker, if you were ten feet away you probably would not have heard it.