Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[cv5]

??

Joking buddy.

 

[Rufus]

... because they don't believe

And unbelievers aren't lost in the DARKNESS of their own souls?

 

[sawdust]

Didn't you just say earlier that was a waste of time? Why are you still here?

I think he said it was a waste of time trying trying to convince the Calvinists. His post you quoted spoke of teaching those who believe God frees the will.

 

[Jordon]

No, He doesn't force His thinking into me. I must be willing to believe His word is true. Why do you think Christians disagree? If it was simply a matter of God making us believe His word, there would be no disagreements.

That would also be God making you believe he loves you

 

[sawdust]

But they don't like what Scripture says and they will listen to hours and hours and hours and hours of material just to retool their thinking so that they can get around what Scripture actually says...

We love what the scriptures say, especially when it is taught in the correct context.

 

[cv5]

His ministry was to provide the world the way to be saved. He did just that. No epic failure. To say His ministry was an epic failure is to say Jesus is an epic failure. Again, it’s blasphemous. It also insults the Father, because God’s plan in sending Him was perfectly accomplished.

Indeed, just as God provided for and instructed the willingly obedient Israelites in all things that were required (including circumcision and the Passover!) so that they could "cross the Jordan" and prevail over their enemies, so it is with His ministry today.

Keywords: willing and obedient. Or put another way, obedient to His will.

Or put another way, willing to do His will.

 

[Jordon]

That would be an infringement upon their privacy. Their thoughts are there own. At best we can influence, but we should never try to force anyone into anything.

This is what God says



Matthew 28:19-20

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19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations

 

[Jordon]

We love what the scriptures say, especially when it is taught in the correct context.

ok will you listen to this.

One day you will return to your maker

Ecclesiastes 12:7

 

[Genez]

I like the Calvie teachings better than yours

here's clear proof regeneration is a result of being blessed with the fruits of the spirit

The fruits of the Spirit is clear proof that you have been regenerated.
The fruits of the Spirit are the result of regeneration.
Not the other way around.

Mind fixing that?
Or, did you intend to mean that?

 

[Genez]

Yes, but it takes two to tango or tangle,
which is why I try not to argue with anyone,
although I am concerned about TULIP perverting the Gospel.

I am here to study the phenomenon.
Always heard about what they believe....

In my case?
I am "probing" .. not, arguing.
Testing to see how they will respond when shown what they have been failing to see.

 

[cv5]

Nope. Jesus's ministry was an epic fail according Jn 3:17. After all, God sent his Son into the world to save each and every person in it w/o exception, if we are to believe FWer's understanding of "kosmos". If God loves all in the distributive sense in v.16, then He sent Jesus to save all in the distributive sense in v. 17. Talk about a farcical salvation FWT style!

The account of Joshua and the children of Israel crossing the Jordan, including the crucial requirements to undertake circumcision and the Passover before the conquest of the land, all of this utterly annihilates Calvinism. And not one Calvinist knows why right? I mean totally clueless right? I mean no answer right?

That's right, and what a pity.....

 

[Jordon]

The fruits of the Spirit is clear proof that you have been regenerated.
The fruits of the Spirit are the result of regeneration.
Not the other way around.

Mind fixing that?
Or, did you intend to mean that?

Looks like you sailed past the truth by adding another truth

This little monkey says

Genesis 1:26

Psalms 100:3

Hey hey where the monkeys

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Ask the Calvinists: when was the last time that a Bride was not FULLY AWARE of the fact of her own wedding?

In biblical times, marriage was a solemn commitment involving a binding betrothal before the actual wedding celebration, an image that the Scriptures use to illustrate the believer’s present position and future hope. You are conflating our present relationship with Him with the glorious future consummation.

Becoming the Bride is something will not be consummated until we meet the Bridegroom face to face and partake of the "marriage supper of the Lamb" Until then, we must keep are lamps lit and trimmed as we wait faithfully for Him to appear. An essential part pf being faithful is continuing to believe in Him and abide in His teaching.

 

[Genez]

So on the Last Day when Jesus judges the righteous and the wicked, the latter don't really get tossed into the Lake of Fire? They just become extinct like dinosaurs?

You are missing the point.

Since Jesus paid for all their sins?
They will not be going to the Lake of Fire for their sins.

No sins will be mentioned when they are judged.

And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. ​

And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. ​

And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written ​

in the books." Revelation 20:12​

They will be condemned on the basis of their works. Not sins. Because their sins were judged on the Cross!

You know what the reason will be?

 

[sawdust]

Were my questions above your pay grade? You can't even define freedom? Or tell me if God's eternal intentions were to free all mankind w/o exception? Nor can you tell me why sinners are prisoners? What it is that imprisons them?

I have already explained what freedom is. I have already stated what God's eternal intentions were. I have already said we are in bondage to sin and death.

If you could simply listen without hearing through your worldview all the time you might understand what I am saying a little clearer.

You kept accusing me of believing I have freedom TO DO as if that is some evil thing. It would be more accurate to say I believe Christ freed us TO BE .... fully human. That requires something on our part, believing and trusting in the word of God and being led of His Spirit. You don't go to sleep and wake up like Christ. Christ isn't just fully human in the sense of being distinct from being fully God, but He is all that a human being ought to be as far as God's design is concerned. Loving, trusting (of God), merciful, patient etc.

I get to the point I really have no idea what your problem is with what I say. You seem to disagree with every single word. Half the time, you say you understand, but the feed back you give me tells me differently.

What is it you want from me? I'm tired of repeating myself.

 

[Blue155]

Indeed, just as God provided for and instructed the willingly obedient Israelites in all things that were required (including circumcision and the Passover!) so that they could "cross the Jordan" and prevail over their enemies, so it is with His ministry today.

Keywords: willing and obedient. Or put another way, obedient to His will.

Or put another way, willing to do His will.

John 7:16-17 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

 

[cv5]

In biblical times, marriage was a solemn commitment involving a binding betrothal before the actual wedding celebration, an image that the Scriptures use to illustrate the believer’s present position and future hope. You are conflating our present relationship with Him with the glorious future consummation.

Becoming the Bride is something will not be consummated until we meet the Bridegroom face to face and partake of the "marriage supper of the Lamb" Until then, we must keep are lamps lit and trimmed as we wait faithfully for Him to appear. An essential part pf being faithful is continuing to believe in Him and abide in His teaching.

No I'm not. I am perfectly aware of every step in the Jewish betrothal ceremony to the finest detail.
Yes, the WEDDING FEAST, occurs only AFTER the betrothal (this is still part of the wedding), then harpazo/snatch, then seven day (SEVEN YEAR) honeymoon at the Fathers house.

Then comes the extended WEDDING FEAST that is attended by many guests. Like Moses, and Noah and Daniel.

What I did was to compress all of the facts of the matter into a single bite-sized sentence so that perhaps the Calvinists might understand the status of the Bride in terms of informed consent and willingness (without coercion).

But they did not.....just crickets. They have no answer.

 

[sawdust]

Not in Jn 3:17 he didn't! This verse does talk about saving the entire world! God clearly sent Jesus to save all mankind in the distributive sense; therefore, all will believe. If God loves all in the distributive sense 9v. 16), then "kosmos" in v. 17 must also be understood in the same sense.

It says the world might be saved, not would be saved.

So you ignore all the other verses so you can make one verse say what you want?

Not a good way to read scripture.

 

[Jordon]

I like the Calvie teachings better than yours

here's clear proof regeneration is a result of being blessed with the fruits of the spirit


1 Peter 3:10-11

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10 For,
“Whoever would love life
and see good days
must keep their tongue from evil
and their lips from deceitful speech.
11 They must turn from evil and do good;
they must seek peace and pursue it.

this little monkey says if you read this scripture and you see the life, then you know the life starts to regenerate a person, but seeing as where playing word salad, lets just say, God here is making a person as white as snow over time.


Isaiah 1:18

Psalms 51:7

Over to you Mr @Genez sir

 

[sawdust]

And unbelievers aren't lost in the DARKNESS of their own souls?

And God has not sent His light into the world?

Is the Spirit here in the world at work or not? Why do you feel it necessary to constantly ignore grace at work in this world? Do you hate mankind so much you must ensure he never gets up?