They started from a wrong premise.
And we think the same of you.
The Lord will sort out the mess not you, not me.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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And we think the same of you.
The Lord will sort out the mess not you, not me.
lol maybe you could make them believe in themselves
That would be an infringement upon their privacy. Their thoughts are there own. At best we can influence, but we should never try to force anyone into anything.
No we don't. We have grace doing what the flesh prevents us from doing.
Would be nice if you could at least get that part right about what we say.
I don't get it ? I thought you believed in yourself
My confidence is in the Lord. I know to whom I belong. It is He who convicts, not me.
seems to be some confusion here, I believe magenta has been saying that all along, whilst you've been saying making a person believe is forceful,
Nope. Jesus's ministry was an epic fail according Jn 3:17. After all, God sent his Son into the world to save each and every person in it w/o exception, if we are to believe FWer's understanding of "kosmos". If God loves all in the distributive sense in v.16, then He sent Jesus to save all in the distributive sense in v. 17. Talk about a farcical salvation FWT style!
No, He doesn't force His thinking into me. I must be willing to believe His word is true. Why do you think Christians disagree? If it was simply a matter of God making us believe His word, there would be no disagreements.
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Blue155
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Jesus failed at His mission?Nope. Jesus's ministry was an epic fail according Jn 3:17. After all, God sent his Son into the world to save each and every person in it w/o exception, if we are to believe FWer's understanding of "kosmos". If God loves all in the distributive sense in v.16, then He sent Jesus to save all in the distributive sense in v. 17. Talk about a farcical salvation FWT style!
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Blue155
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It is straight up blasphemous to say Jesus’ ministry was an epic fail. That is quite the disturbing thing to say.
A failure in terms of those who somehow escape from the divine shotgun wedding?
Nope. Jesus's ministry was an epic fail according Jn 3:17. After all, God sent his Son into the world to save each and every person in it w/o exception, if we are to believe FWer's understanding of "kosmos". If God loves all in the distributive sense in v.16, then He sent Jesus to save all in the distributive sense in v. 17. Talk about a farcical salvation FWT style!
No, God sent His Son to save and not condemn so that whosoever believes in Him would be saved. There has never been any talk of saving the whole world. We are not Universalists. He died for the sin of the whole world, not to save the whole world. Only believers are saved.
John 3:14-17
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
God made salvation conditional upon believing in His Son. He did not make His death for our sin conditional. He died for all so that the forgiveness of all sin is to be found in the righteousness of Christ. You want to know/experience the righteousness of Christ? Only one place to be ... by grace through faith ... believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Just because you want to be comatosed after Christ has freed you and do nothing and be nothing that's your business. As for me, I refuse to waste the freedom Christ so painfully won for me.
Have a nice day Rufus.
Were my questions above your pay grade? You can't even define freedom? Or tell me if God's eternal intentions were to free all mankind w/o exception? Nor can you tell me why sinners are prisoners? What it is that imprisons them?
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Blue155
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His ministry was to provide the world the way to be saved. He did just that. No epic failure. To say His ministry was an epic failure is to say Jesus is an epic failure. Again, it’s blasphemous. It also insults the Father, because God’s plan in sending Him was perfectly accomplished.
Not in Jn 3:17 he didn't! This verse does talk about saving the entire world! God clearly sent Jesus to save all mankind in the distributive sense; therefore, all will believe. If God loves all in the distributive sense 9v. 16), then "kosmos" in v. 17 must also be understood in the same sense.