Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Jesus is God... And as such I acknowledge that He was entirely unique among the human race... so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.

If the humanity of Christ, who was without sin, had to rely upon the Father for all He did and said, then being a sinner isn't the only reason one must fully trust in God.
 
Where are those people you condemn?
Not here!

Why do you keep bringing it up then?
For your straw man is having a cup of coffee in another room.

You got to stop listening to what your unicorn whispers in your ear.
He can not save you from your lies about others that you keep using to make your case against them.

May I suggest?
Get a good teacher.
Try sound doctrine next time.
At least God will be for you, even if others do not believe you.

You are stuck in a big rut.
Your pseudo refutations have become mere boring routine.
This is your imagination not hers, and once again you try to instill pride into a person, the works of the enemy are evident here in your statement, as your trying to instill pride into a people with your repetitive statement of telling people they need a good teacher, insinuating there knowledge is not Good or that they lack wisdom, and you even do thus to nature believers.

Yep thats how the enemy operates alright, first he installs pride in a person then when he wins, he then argues with the pride he had instilled in them,

Eeer so nice try mr perverse but no cigar
 
This is your imagination not hers, and once again you try to instill pride into a person, the works of the enemy are evident here in your statement, as your trying to instill pride into a people with your repetitive statement of telling people they need a good teacher, insinuating there knowledge is not Good or that they lack wisdom, and you even do thus to nature believers.

Yep thats how the enemy operates alright, first he installs pride in a person then when he wins, he then argues with the pride he had instilled in them,

Eeer so nice try mr perverse but no cigar
He circles the drain grasping for company on his way to the sewer...
 
He circles the drain grasping for company on his way to the sewer...
I know, his comments stink, like smelly socks that haven't been changed for weeks, in a sweaty pair of yucky shoes, where the smell is so bad you have to put pegs on your nose 🤐

But they also believe as well, that the lords will is there own righteousness to, I keep seeing it come up, some of them cant even make no reference to the lord being directly responsible for them believing, there hearts really are stubborn if you ask me.

So far I've had. No definite answer from many of them that lord makes people believe, not even when you point out he changes there heart first in scripture to.

Or That the lord can go against human will and needs to again pointing it out in scripture

Or That the lords enabling grace comes first before belief.

To be honest I'm wondering if there's a works based salvation group in operation here.
 
The irony in that is, why would one seek help if they did not believe help was to be found?

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and the Lord will raise you to life! :)
True, no one seeks help until they are convinced they had a serious problem that they were unable to solve.
 
The irony in that is, why would one seek help if they did not believe help was to be found? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and the Lord will raise you to life! :)
Absolutely. This narrative destroys Calvinism, as you well know.

[Mat 15:22-28 NKJV]
22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed."

23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."

24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, "Lord, help me!"

26 But He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw [it] to the little dogs."

27 And she said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."

28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, "O woman, great [is] your faith! Let it be to you as you desire." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.
 
True, no one seeks help until they are convinced they had a serious problem that they were unable to solve.
that is personal suggestion born out of free will and personal testimony putting limitations on God from the moment a person is born help is available and made known by God 🙂 Romans 1:20
Psalms 19:1-4

Acts 14:17

Matthew 18:10

God knows your beginning from the end,

The good news is all deeds are in his light which means he makes everyone aware inwardly,

Romans 2:15,

1 John 3:20
 
You make the error that many do by conflating having a choice with having free will. Nor does having a human will mean that it is free, because it is constrained by far too many factors to be considered truly free, Especially as a lover of darkness who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness because he is taken captive to the will of the devil. The will of the natural man is inherently in opposition to God and hostile to Him.
Sure its truly free. Designed that way to give God glory when anyone says "I do" without coercion or compulsion.
Despite your objections, this indeed is an intentional portrait of the Church, the Bride that God the Father is seeking for His Son.

Gen 24:8
And if the woman will not be willing to follow thee, then thou shalt be clear from this my oath: only bring not my son thither again.

Gen 24:39
And I said unto my master, Peradventure the woman will not follow me.

Gen 24:58
And they called Rebekah, and said unto her, Wilt thou go with this man? And she said, I will go.

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Aaaaand here is a hodgepodge of zingers for you to ruminate on.
Or curse (as is your habit), IF that happens to be your WILL.
John 5:40 is the scourge and bane and the undoing of all things Calvinist.

Jhn 5:40
“But you are not willing to ***come*** to Me that you may have life.

Exo 19:8
Then all the people answered together and said, “All that the LORD has spoken we will do.” So Moses brought back the words of the people to the LORD.

Lev 26:21
‘Then, if you walk contrary to Me, and are not willing to obey Me, I will bring on you seven times more plagues, according to your sins.

Isa 1:19
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

Mal 2:2
If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

Jhn 7:17
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Luk 13:34
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!

Mat 22:3
“and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come.
 
Sure its truly free. Designed that way to give God glory when anyone says "I do" without coercion or compulsion.
Despite your objections, this indeed is an intentional portrait of the Church, the Bride that God the Father is seeking for His Son.

Gen 24:8
And if the woman will not be willing to follow thee, then thou shalt be clear from this my oath: only bring not my son thither again.

Gen 24:39
And I said unto my master, Peradventure the woman will not follow me.

Gen 24:58
And they called Rebekah, and said unto her, Wilt thou go with this man? And she said, I will go.

********************************************************************************************************************
Aaaaand here is a hodgepodge of zingers for you to ruminate on.
Or curse (as is your habit), IF that happens to be your WILL.
John 5:40 is the scourge and bane and the undoing of all things Calvinist.

Jhn 5:40
“But you are not willing to ***come*** to Me that you may have life.

Exo 19:8
Then all the people answered together and said, “All that the LORD has spoken we will do.” So Moses brought back the words of the people to the LORD.

Lev 26:21
‘Then, if you walk contrary to Me, and are not willing to obey Me, I will bring on you seven times more plagues, according to your sins.

Isa 1:19
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

Mal 2:2
If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

Jhn 7:17
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Luk 13:34
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!

Mat 22:3
“and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come.
well since magenta is ignoring you, which I don't blame her, as you once again ignore good counsel in these scriptures and assassinate magentas faith with these scriptures

The word for you today is spaghetti junction

Jhn 5:40
“But you are not willing to ***come*** to Me that you may have life.


This means the father words have burned in there heart 🙂


Fixed it for you.


You know the more I read your posts it's almost like God doesn't exist
 
For the most part they disrespect context to preserve their "system" as needed.

It is not difficult to prove "the system" wrong...but it's impossible to get them to admit it.

In their indoctrinated brains "as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" means they were elected or ordained FIRST then

believed after.

See how they abuse the context, in their world, "a person who was going to the ball game got on the shuttle bus to ride to the stadium." means they went to the game FIRST then got on the shuttle bus.

Once you show them the error then comes the vitriol, the ad hominem, moving the goal post, or the "you do not understand Reformed doctrine."

Not really funny, but they have a well known reputation, I wonder why, lol!!

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I have great friends that associated with the Reformed beliefs and have sat in several services and through multiple classes they teach throughout the week emphasizing the sacred teachings they teach and absolutely no one questions them ever. It's like a hook line and sinker and a guaranteed bite. You would think that they believe it is impossible those teachers could be fooling them. They follow the teachers and lessons to the same degree Catholics believe the Pope speaks directly from God Himself.
 
God does not conceal the Gospel ...Full stop!!

Remember you are conversing with people who think the message of Good News is deficient except for the specially created elite class who were bequeathed special understanding.

The gospel remains “the power of God for salvation” (Romans 1:16) whether believed or ignored.
I think we must remember that Paul is dealing with issues in that congregation, their concerns and how they are not always understanding truth.

Bible Hub also explains why Paul used "if" .. Paul was very particular about how he penned his words.

Paul begins with a gentle concession—there may be times when it seems the life-giving message of Jesus is hidden.

• This admission does not weaken the gospel; it underscores human limitation (2 Corinthians 3:5).

• The same humble tone appears in Romans 3:3–4, where unbelief cannot nullify God’s faithfulness.

• By saying “even if,” Paul prepares us to look beyond appearances and trust the unchanged power of God (2 Timothy 2:9).


Context Kills Calvinism which means It is wrong!
Amen!

The Bible firmly explains people are blinded by Satan not God hiding His Truths.
 
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well since magenta is ignoring you, which I don't blame her, as you once again ignore good counsel in these scriptures and assassinate magentas faith with these scriptures

The word for you today is spaghetti junction

Jhn 5:40
“But you are not willing to ***come*** to Me that you may have life.


This means the father words have burned in there heart 🙂


Fixed it for you.


You know the more I read your posts it's almost like God doesn't exist
Truly, it must be said:
the Calvinists have never yet failed....to disappoint.
 
Being saved by Grace will forever mean as a gift from God which is unearned so that none may boast. God does not require faith, trust, belief or anything that contributes or leads to our acceptance. All these things come as fruits from the work that only God can do.
To think otherwise is to say that our salvation is earned and that God repays us for being a fine, upright, God fearing person - [which scripture clearly tells us is impossible due to our total depravity]!
Satan himself sows the seeds that make men think this way, causing them to trust in their own efforts rather than the finished work of Christ.
The seeds sown by Satan are quick to grow and are impossible to get rid of without the Spirit's work in us.

1 Cor 4:7 For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?