Loss of salvation???

[mailmandan]

If you say so.

I thought you said you were not baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins?

And you never said that JESUS filled you with HIS spirit like in Acts 2:4.

But that's between you and JESUS.

Being water baptized using a rigid baptism formula is not how we get rid of our sins. We get rid of our sins through repentance/belief/faith. (Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 26:18)

I was baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit as Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:19 which is to be baptized in Jesus' name or by his authority. (Matthew 28:18)

I was filled with the Holy Spirit, which caused me to speak the word of God with boldness like in Acts 4:31 but I did not speak in tongues and not everyone speaks in tongues. (1 Corinthians 12:27-30)

 

[Ouch]

Being water baptized using a rigid baptism formula is not how we get rid of our sins. We get rid of our sins through repentance/belief/faith. (Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 26:18)

I was baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit as Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:19 which is to be baptized in Jesus' name or by his authority. (Matthew 28:18)

I was filled with the Holy Spirit, which caused me to speak the word of God with boldness like in Acts 4:31 but I did not speak in tongues and not everyone speaks in tongues. (1 Corinthians 12:27-30)

Since JESUS ascended the second time until HE comes back again the only way to get rid of our sins is the way that is in HIS WORD.

Then you need to be re baptized no one was told to be baptized that way.

JESUS told HIS disciples how for them to baptize and they obeyed HIM, like in Romans that message in Matthew 28:19 was not for the unsaved.

Now your claiming you have been filled AMEN!!!

Just like getting rid of our sins being filled has not changed, you were like this?

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

What an experience JESUS IS ALIVE, it change my life also.

 

[Jordon]

So you don't believe in free will.

When I married my x it was for life time, almost 20 years one day she said she's leaving. She had a boyfriend and she left.

I married again for over 20 years now am I still married to the x?

Dude PEOPLE CHANGE and those who had the spirit goes back to their normal life of sex drugs and rock and roll he spirit WILL NOT FOLLOW it will leave them.

Do you think JESUS is going to stay inside of you and watch porn with you????

Your the one putting JESUS in a box.

Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed?

Acts 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

HOW WERE YOU BAPTIZED? Was you baptized in JESUS name?

I told you God knows your whole future he can see your entire life, what part of that do you not understand ?

Why paint theses darkened pictures, over God's integrity of what he knows about your future,

Do you think the father is that weak he hasn't seen it all before of what people do whilst there sinning, do you not know that all deeds are seen in the light.

Do you not know o the fathers devine nature lives in a person before the sons devine natures lives in a person.

Do you not know that man's free will lives in the flesh,

Do you think I will say theres so much thing as mans will when John 1 states it lives in the flesh,


What you need to understand is free will is the law of sin, and the covenant of the jaw

 

[Musicmaster]

I’m bypassing your other recent post - the flawed reasoning is an endless loop, as I explained.

Yes, endurance is good - it’s commanded of and instructed for believers and is thus part of genuine faith and the process of our salvation. Your phrase "even under commandment" is disconcerting.

You’ve still not explained your methodology for searching and listing the NT passages on endurance, so I take this avoidance as a refusal to clarify for whatever reason.

I disagree based on the clear language of Paul's inspired writings, which were inspired by Holy Spirit, rightly divided from truths meant for other people at other times in other places.

MM

 

[mailmandan]

Since JESUS ascended the second time until HE comes back again the only way to get rid of our sins is the way that is in HIS WORD.

Then you need to be re baptized no one was told to be baptized that way.

JESUS told HIS disciples how for them to baptize and they obeyed HIM, like in Romans that message in Matthew 28:19 was not for the unsaved.

Now your claiming you have been filled AMEN!!!

Just like getting rid of our sins being filled has not changed, you were like this?

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

What an experience JESUS IS ALIVE, it change my life also.

I've had conversations over the year with multiple different people who all attend multiple different churches that teach multiple different plans of salvation who all claimed they were born again and their life has been changed but they can't all be right. Sadly, many people are deceived including Oneness Pentecostal types. - Must baptism be “in Jesus’ name”? - CARM Emotionalism followed by moral self-reformation is not a substitute for regeneration. I believe what Jesus said in Matthew 28:18-20 and you should too.

 

[studier]

I disagree based on the clear language of Paul's inspired writings, which were inspired by Holy Spirit, rightly divided from truths meant for other people at other times in other places.

MM

Understood all along. Mid-Acts or Hyper-Dispensationalism framework coupled with OSAS binary which I clearly rejected quite some time ago by adding a third option which was summarily dismissed with OSAS binary.

Around and around we go...

 

[Ouch]

I told you God knows your whole future he can see your entire life, what part of that do you not understand ?

Why paint theses darkened pictures, over God's integrity of what he knows about your future,

Do you think the father is that weak he hasn't seen it all before of what people do whilst there sinning, do you not know that all deeds are seen in the light.

Do you not know o the fathers devine nature lives in a person before the sons devine natures lives in a person.

Do you not know that man's free will lives in the flesh,

Do you think I will say theres so much thing as mans will when John 1 states it lives in the flesh,


What you need to understand is free will is the law of sin, and the covenant of the jaw

Yes Sir, I do understand the GOD knows the future...

We don't and we if WE turn from HIM HE has NO CONTROL OVER THAT.

It's our choice, it's called free will.

Did Adam and Eve have free will???

So we have a choice follow HIM forever and obey HIM or we can do it for a short time and go back if we like.

Keep in mind when we turn and go for a while and if we die we go to Hell.

 

[Ouch]

I've had conversations over the year with multiple different people who all attend multiple different churches that teach multiple different plans of salvation who all claimed they were born again and their life has been changed but they can't all be right. Sadly, many people are deceived including Oneness Pentecostal types. - Must baptism be “in Jesus’ name”? - CARM Emotionalism followed by moral self-reformation is not a substitute for regeneration. I believe what Jesus said in Matthew 28:18-20 and you should too.

We have HIS word and mens oppinon.

Did you know you can't show me no where that anyone was baptized the way you was?

Since you can't WHY DO PEOPLE GET BAPTIZED THAT WAY???

Why don't people just follow HIS WORD and HIS DISCIPLES???????????

I don't get into denominations doing that is like talking to you with so many different points of view.

If we all just follow HIS word we would all be in one accord like HIS disciples was in the book of Acts.

 

[Ouch]

I've had conversations over the year with multiple different people who all attend multiple different churches that teach multiple different plans of salvation who all claimed they were born again and their life has been changed but they can't all be right. Sadly, many people are deceived including Oneness Pentecostal types. - Must baptism be “in Jesus’ name”? - CARM Emotionalism followed by moral self-reformation is not a substitute for regeneration. I believe what Jesus said in Matthew 28:18-20 and you should too.

Be honest, why will you not accet HIS word?

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

What is the problem with that verse?

 

[Jordon]

Yes Sir, I do understand the GOD knows the future...

We don't and we if WE turn from HIM HE has NO CONTROL OVER THAT.

It's our choice, it's called free will.

Did Adam and Eve have free will???

So we have a choice follow HIM forever and obey HIM or we can do it for a short time and go back if we like.

Keep in mind when we turn and go for a while and if we die we go to Hell.

God looks a person whole life before deciding the day he receives the spirit, which means sir God the father looks at how a person reacts to his devine nature in that person before handing them to the son, which he knows in advance sir, which means sir the fathers devine nature can be in a person a long time before he goes to the son.

You need to understand the basics in principle, when the bible says no one is without excuse, that means every deed a person commits is seen in the fathers light, which means sir, the fathers devine nature can be at work in that person for a long time, before there handed to the son,

 

[HigherGospel]

the fathers devine nature can be in a person a long time before he goes to the son.

So while they are rejecting the Lord Jesus and are still following satan, you claim they have God's nature?

That's some serious error right there

 

[mailmandan]

We have HIS word and mens oppinon.

Did you know you can't show me no where that anyone was baptized the way you was?

Since you can't WHY DO PEOPLE GET BAPTIZED THAT WAY???

Why don't people just follow HIS WORD and HIS DISCIPLES???????????

I don't get into denominations doing that is like talking to you with so many different points of view.

If we all just follow HIS word we would all be in one accord like HIS disciples was in the book of Acts.

I already showed you that the words "in Jesus' name" are not meant as a rigid, salvic baptism formula, but a reference to authority.

To baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, is to baptize in the name of Jesus/by His authority. (Matthew 28:18-19)

 

[Jordon]

So while they are rejecting the Lord Jesus and are still following satan, you claim they have God's nature?

That's some serious error right there

How is a person without excuse from God the father ?

Do you even understand How Gods devine nature can work.

What do you think happens when a person is made aware of there deeds by God the father, do you think he rings them up via there mobile phone or something ?


Well no his devine nature, which is everywhere pricks there conscience, you really don't understand much, and not many people even realise everyone is born under an active inherent will in them from the father,

But yeah rule over the truth with free will, go right ahead

 

[mailmandan]

Be honest, why will you not accet HIS word?

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

What is the problem with that verse?

I have no problem with that verse. I only have a problem with your eisegesis. See post #4,528. Do you have a problem with the multiple verses that I cited in that post?

 

[Ouch]

God looks a person whole life before deciding the day he receives the spirit, which means sir God the father looks at how a person reacts to his devine nature in that person before handing them to the son, which he knows in advance sir, which means sir the fathers devine nature can be in a person a long time before he goes to the son.

You need to understand the basics in principle, when the bible says no one is without excuse, that means every deed a person commits is seen in the fathers light, which means sir, the fathers devine nature can be at work in that person for a long time, before there handed to the son,

So you think there are three gods? If so what are their names?

Can you show me any of that where GOD sends stuff to JESUS?

He does know that is why he sends people to Hell that don't obey HIM.

Has JESUS filled you with HIS spirit like HE did HIS disciples in Acts 2:4?

 

[Jordon]

So while they are rejecting the Lord Jesus and are still following satan, you claim they have God's nature?

That's some serious error right there

you have it backwards, they reject the father whilst the father is building there hearts up, the father does not hand anyone over to the son until they've finished rejecting.

 

[Jordon]

So you think there are three gods? If so what are their names?

Can you show me any of that where GOD sends stuff to JESUS?

He does know that is why he sends people to Hell that don't obey HIM.

Has JESUS filled you with HIS spirit like HE did HIS disciples in Acts 2:4?

No now your twisting what I've said,

 

[Ouch]

I already showed you that the words "in Jesus' name" are not meant as a rigid, salvic baptism formula, but a reference to authority.

To baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, is to baptize in the name of Jesus/by His authority. (Matthew 28:18-19)

You may have told me but you can't show me, becuse it's not in HIS word but it is in many churchs.

JESUS reveils who HE is in Matthew 28 like verse 18 says.

JESUS disciples KNEW WHO HE WAS and baptized the way HE told them to. """IN THE NAME OF"""

What is """THE NAME OF""" the father, the son and the Holy Ghost???

WHAT IS THAT NAME???

If you don't have a problem with it why not obey it?

I don't have a problem with ANY of HIS word.

 

[Jordon]

So you think there are three gods? If so what are their names?

Can you show me any of that where GOD sends stuff to JESUS?

He does know that is why he sends people to Hell that don't obey HIM.

Has JESUS filled you with HIS spirit like HE did HIS disciples in Acts 2:4?

The devine natures of the father the son and the spirit are never separated at anyone time they are always one, to you say so means you need help in understanding,

What happens in a person is the father devine nature goes to work first which can be carried out by the son to,

Then the sons devine nature becomes in that person then the sealing of the devine of the holy spirit

Fixed it for you

 

[Ouch]

The devine natures of the father the son and the spirit are never separated at anyone time they are always one, to you say so means you need help in understanding,

What happens in a person is the father devine nature goes to work first which can be carried out by the son to,

Then the sons devine nature becomes in that person then the sealing of the devine of the holy spirit

Fixed it for you

Did you, I don't see any scripture.

FYI, JESUS IS GOD!!!

HIS WORD PROVING IT.

I like letting his word do the talking.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

John 1:1 plus 10-12
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days ((( I will raise it up.)))

Look here, JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Verses that JESUS spoke and those that GOD spoke.
JESUS IS COMING
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD IS COMING
Zechariah 14:4,5, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Revelation 19:11, 16

JESUS THE CREATOR
John 1:10, 1 cor 8:6, Ephesians 3:9, Col. 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12, Revelation 4:8-11, 10:6, 14:6-7, 21:5-7, 22:3.
GOD THE CREATOR
Genesis 1:1, 2:7, Job 33:4, Psalm 33:6, 104:30, I sa 40:28, 44:24, 45:11-18, Mal 2:10

JESUS THE ROCK
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matt 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD THE ROCK
Deut 32:1-4, 2 Samuel 22:1-3, 22:32, Psalm 18:2, 31:3, 78:34-35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10-11

JESUS THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
1 John 4:14, 1 Peter 2:21-24, Acts 20:28, Gal 3:13, Luke 24:21-29, 2:10-11, Philippians 3:20, 1 Timothy 1:1-3, 4:10, Tutus 1:1-4, 2:10-13, 1 Peter 1:10-11, Jude 25
GOD THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
Psalm 78:34-35, I Isaiah 47:4, 44:6, 43:3-11, 45:21, 49:26, Psalm 106:21, Luke 1:46-47

JESUS FIRST AND LAST
Revelation 1:17, 22:13
GOD FIRST AND LAST
Isaiah 41:4, 43:10-11, 44:6-8

JESUS THE SHEPHERD
John 10:8-12, 1 Peter 2:21-25, Hebrews 13:20, 1 peter 5:4
GOD THE SHEPHERD
Psalm 23, Isaiah 40:10-11, Psalm 100

JESUS THE I AM AND I AM HE
John 18:5-8, 8:24-28, Revelation 1:17-18,
GOD THE I AM AND I AM HE
Exodus 3:13-14, Isaiah 43:10-11 and 25.

JESUS THE KING
Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 19:32-28, 23:3, John 18:37, 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 15:1-4, 19:11-16
GOD THE KING
Psalm 24, 44:4, 74:12, Isaiah 43:10-15, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10, Zechaniah 14:9