Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[GWH]

Do you know what an inheritance is ?

I know that an inheritance needs to be accepted via probate or faith.

 

[brightfame52]

[1Pe 1:2, 4 KJV]
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. ...
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

Salvation is an inheritance Heb 9:15

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

And its an promise not an offer Gal 3:18

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

 

[brightfame52]

I know that an inheritance needs to be accepted via probate or faith.

Thats false. Just like Issac was a designated heir b4 he was born, he had no choice to accept it or reject it. Gen 15 4

And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

What you think God consulted with Isaac b4 he was born and offered him to be Abrahams heir ?

 

[rogerg]

Salvation is an inheritance Heb 9:15

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

And its an promise not an offer Gal 3:18

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Exactly, brightfame52.

 

[GWH]

Salvation is an inheritance Heb 9:15

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

And its an promise not an offer Gal 3:18

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

The astute among us will know that Abraham was promised an inheritance because he satisfied the condition/IF
of saving faith in the Lord per Romans 4.

 

[rogerg]

Salvation is an inheritance Heb 9:15

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

And its an promise not an offer Gal 3:18

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

The freewill types always have to revert to doing something in order to become saved. They are unable to comprehend God's grace.

 

[BillyBob]

The astute among us will know that Abraham was promised an inheritance because he satisfied the condition/IF
of saving faith in the Lord per Romans 4.

astute among us? A FWer being astute is an oxymoron. That's like saying "an original copy"!

 

[brightfame52]

The astute among us will know that Abraham was promised an inheritance because he satisfied the condition/IF
of saving faith in the Lord per Romans 4.

False God designated Abraham an heir when he was a Chaldean heathen Gen 12:1-3

Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Also you contradict t Paul here writing that the inheritance was a promise to Abraham, no conditions Gal 3:17-18

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

If the inheritance had conditions, it was no more a promise.

 

[rogerg]

False God designated Abraham an heir when he was a Chaldean heathen Gen 12:1-3

Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Also you contradict t Paul here writing that the inheritance was a promise to Abraham, no conditions Gal 3:17-18

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

If the inheritance had conditions, it was no more a promise.

She also ignores Rom 4:9 which informs that faith was reckoned to Abraham by God by which he believed. The verse doesn't say
that righteousness was reckoned to Abraham for his faith, but that faith was reckoned to him for righteousness.

[Rom 4:9 KJV] 9 [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

 

[lrs68]

All the theologians ? Really,

You may want to go look at your nose in the mirror check to see if it's not grown really really long

Well I am sure those Theologians that are Reformed will spout the same man made doctrine as you do. But since in reality your views throughout Christian Communities are but a mere minority everyone else is secure knowing that IF in the Greek represents Paul correctly since that is how he literally wrote it.

 

[lrs68]

I don't care what scholars may think or say; only what Scripture says, so stow it.
Your tactic is obvious, and it has failed miserably: you're trying to place the focus on the "if" in 4:3 to take visibility
off v4:4 which perfectly explains and completes v4:3. So, the jig is up for you and your game -
it isn't hidden - and this isn't the first time free willers have tried to pull this kind of sham.
So, your analysis is completely wrong, is obvious, and can be seen by reading v4:4,
which confirms that all unbelievers are spiritually blind. There's simply no getting around that fact.

I have no tactics. You read the same Verse and it says IF. Stop crying because it's there for a specific purpose even though you want to forget it is.

 

[lrs68]

You cant make it go away, a lost person cant believe the Gospel, for its hidden from them 2 Cor 4:3-4

But it doesn't say say that it is factually hidden. It says if it is. We know it's not. But what is clearly hidden is you accepting the truth that IF was written by Paul on purpose and it destroys your baloney doctrine.

 

[HeIsHere]

Well I am sure those Theologians that are Reformed will spout the same man made doctrine as you do. But since in reality your views throughout Christian Communities are but a mere minority everyone else is secure knowing that IF in the Greek represents Paul correctly since that is how he literally wrote it.

One has to wonder why it is so important to them, to make the Bible read as though it is a book about barriers set up by their god.

I think they are very insecure about their supposed special elect status.
Their vitriol when faced with correct exegesis also makes me think they are extremely insecure as well.

 

[lrs68]

One has to wonder why it is so important to them, to make the Bible read as though it is a book about barriers set up by their god.

I think they are very insecure about their supposed special elect status.
Their vitriol when faced with correct exegesis also makes me think they are extremely insecure as well.

It's important because how they believe. If they believe God is this or that but the Bible doesn't say that then they must make the Scriptures say how they believe.

 

[rogerg]

I have no tactics. You read the same Verse and it says IF. Stop crying because it's there for a specific purpose even though you want to forget it is.

And that's your problem: you only consider one word from one verse when there are multiple pertinent verses that continue the doctrine but which you refuse to consider. No serious student of the Bible would collapse six or more verses beneath one word as you do unless they are trying to make it say something that it doesn't say. Even if the "if" in that verse were considered standalone (which it shouldn't be), the verse still wouldn't say what you're trying to make it say. We've seen that game before.

 

[Jackson129]

Well since the convo has went to Abraham.. when he walked out to the wilderness to sacrifice his son at God's command. Then God stopped him at the last second. As a TEST of faith.

So God tested Abrahams faith even though God predestined his faith?.

Make that make sence without some kind of choice or free will on man's part.

 

[lrs68]

And that's your problem: you only consider one word from one verse when there are multiple pertinent verses that continue the doctrine but which you refuse to consider. No serious student of the Bible would collapse six or more verses beneath one word as you do unless they are trying to make it say something that it doesn't say. Even if the "if" in that verse were considered standalone (which it shouldn't be), the verse still wouldn't say what you're trying to make it say. We've seen that game before.

Not a problem at all. It's how Paul writes. Just like speaking in Angel language in 1 Corinthians. Paul does that but it's understood that he meant the opposite. But IF YOU TRULY studied the Bible and not a specific doctrine you would know what the majority of Christians know.

 

[Genez]

Wonder if you laying on the ground dead and the doctor asked you to hold your arm out ?

Death has not been properly defined.
Spiritual death.
... Yet, physically alive.
The spiritually dead still have a functional soul!

When drawing a person, the Holy Spirit will act as a human spirit, just like someone receiving blood while on the operating table, and being kept alive by medical machinery. God's "life support."

While God is drawing a soul?
God, so to speak... puts that person on divine life support.
Making that person function as being spiritually alive, yet not permanently regenerated until actual regeneration takes place!

It makes no sense to draw someone first, if God has determined he wants to save a person.
Why even draw him?
Just save him then!

Just the same. Some souls do not want to be saved!
Hard to understand for most of us.
But, God attempts to save by drawing someone, who will refuse the salvation!

“They saved his life — he did not die,” Chief Edwin C. Roessler Jr. said. “You’re going to sue someone for saving your life?”

Man sues officers who helped save him from drowning

Those who end up in Hell hated God so much they will refuse salvation as it is offered.
Can not be reasoned with.
Just like false teachers who are refuted and keep denying what was shown.

The biggest part of the torments of the Lake of Fire will be that the soul there will know it was his choice, yet still would do it again.

God is fair and Just.

 

[Jordon]

Well I am sure those Theologians that are Reformed will spout the same man made doctrine as you do. But since in reality your views throughout Christian Communities are but a mere minority everyone else is secure knowing that IF in the Greek represents Paul correctly since that is how he literally wrote it.

You've Got as bad as these others which refuse to see there errors, I actually had you down has having more respect for his word than the crowd you've been following here, ah well never mind, I guess you live and learn, that when it comes to making good judgement you can never be to careful, you've become like the rest of them now, little demi Gods, making things personal and all about me, treating themselves more highly, whilst making out they know God better, whilst they can't admit, God makes a person believe gives people repentance, goes against a persons fleshly free will, directs there steps chooses people for adoption , knows people's future, Gives sight to the blind changes a person heart and makes a person believe, they can't even answer the simplest of questions, without being dogmatic, and now you have dropped to there level.

 

[rogerg]

Not a problem at all. It's how Paul writes. Just like speaking in Angel language in 1 Corinthians. Paul does that but it's understood that he meant the opposite. But IF YOU TRULY studied the Bible and not a specific doctrine you would know what the majority of Christians know.

Oh, wise one, and you've determined exactly how "Paul writes" and are using that to make a determination of spiritual doctrine, even those it was God who wrote Scripture not Paul. That's absurd. Where in Scripture do you find any instruction directing that technique? It comes straight from your own imagination! You're a danger to those who want to actually understand Scripture. By your own statement you proved yourself wrong. No wonder you always come to incorrect conclusions regarding Scripture. And it is a problem when you violate the clear direction in Scripture as to how it is to be read and interpreted.