Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Jordon said:
no answer again ok,
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rogerg said:
No, I'm saying you don't comprehend what you're reading. Your interpretation of it is wrong.
[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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From reputable Scholars and Theologians who know the Bible better than all of us... their words describing 2 Corinthians 4:3-

Here Paul says that it was not to be denied that the gospel was "veiled" also to some. But it was not from the nature of the gospel. It was not because God had purposely concealed its meaning.

See, Paul is saying God didn't hide the Gospel to anyone.

As usual your false doctrine is being revealed to us again.
 
lrs68 said:
From reputable Scholars and Theologians who know the Bible better than all of us... their words describing 2 Corinthians 4:3-

Here Paul says that it was not to be denied that the gospel was "veiled" also to some. But it was not from the nature of the gospel. It was not because God had purposely concealed its meaning.

See, Paul is saying God didn't hide the Gospel to anyone.

As usual your false doctrine is being revealed to us again.
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yep people eventually get handed over to disobedience

People Also get handed over to a reprobate mind , people also live a life time of being evil people.

Let me guess the bible scholars can say yep them people still see the light of the gospel also.


Errrr no I don't think so.

You don't seem to understand the light of the gospel is the lord, all people have to handed to the light, ie the lord, before being filled with the light, as Jesus says no one can come to me accept through the father.

The light is hiden from them, because there lost, hell bound living in sin worshiping the devil, selling themselves to sin everyday.

The gospel it's self isn't hidden any one can pick one up and read the gospel, what's missing in them is the light inside them from the gospel.

Your in complete error here, and you should really listen.
 
Jordon said:
yep people eventually get handed over to disobedience

People Also get handed over to a reprobate mind , people also live a life time of being evil people.

Let me guess the bible scholars can say yep them people still see the light of the gospel also.


Errrr no I don't think so.

You don't seem to understand the light of the gospel is the lord, all people have to handed to the light, ie the lord, before being filled with the light, as Jesus says no one can come to me accept through the father.

The light is hiden from them, because there lost, hell bound living in sin worshiping the devil, selling themselves to sin everyday.

The gospel it's self isn't hidden any one can pick one up and read the gospel, what's missing in them is the light inside them from the gospel.

Your in complete error here, and you should really listen.
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How am I in error I completely understand that the IF in verse 3 matters unlike YOU.

Clearly, you are the one in error following man made doctrine.
 
lrs68 said:
How am I in error I completely understand that the IF in verse 3 matters unlike YOU.

Clearly, you are the one in error following man made doctrine.
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If the light are not switched on in a person there is nobody home there not a part of the body of Christ, the church the light of the gospel.

Man made doctrines ? all my replies come from the knowledge I have gained over the years,

I don't believe in using other people's ideas to influence my decision unless it's of good sound belief,

The light of the gospel is not in any of theses people

2 Corinthians 4:3-4

John 1:5

John 3:18

Ephesians 4:18

Matthew 6:23
 
Jordon said:
If the light are not switched on in a person there is nobody home there not a part of the body of Christ, the church the light of the gospel.

Man made doctrines ? all my replies come from the knowledge I have gained over the years,

I don't believe in using other people's ideas to influence my decision unless it's of good sound belief,

The light of the gospel is not in any of theses people

2 Corinthians 4:3-4

John 1:5

John 3:18

Ephesians 4:18

Matthew 6:23
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Look, all the Theologians are saying is that Paul is saying every human being is able to receive the Gospel and that God is not hiding the Gospel from anyone.

But if you think God is hiding the Gospel from people Himself then you clearly don't understand what Paul is saying in verse 3.
 
lrs68 said:
Look, all the Theologians are saying is that Paul is saying every human being is able to receive the Gospel and that God is not hiding the Gospel from anyone.

But if you think God is hiding the Gospel from people Himself then you clearly don't understand what Paul is saying in verse 3.
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All the theologians ? Really,

You may want to go look at your nose in the mirror check to see if it's not grown really really long 😛
 
rogerg said:
And you need remedial reading classes too. There are more words in the verse than
"if" - this may come as quite a shock to you but they all need to be read.
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The whole world is blinded. The same world that cannot receive the Spirit of Truth.

The lovers of darkness opposed to the Spiritual things of God.

But free willers don't want to hear that.

They refuse to see it due to the hardness of their hearts.
 
lrs68 said:
From reputable Scholars and Theologians who know the Bible better than all of us... their words describing 2 Corinthians 4:3-

Here Paul says that it was not to be denied that the gospel was "veiled" also to some. But it was not from the nature of the gospel. It was not because God had purposely concealed its meaning.

See, Paul is saying God didn't hide the Gospel to anyone.

As usual your false doctrine is being revealed to us again.
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I don't care what scholars may think or say; only what Scripture says, so stow it.
Your tactic is obvious, and it has failed miserably: you're trying to place the focus on the "if" in 4:3 to take visibility
off v4:4 which perfectly explains and completes v4:3. So, the jig is up for you and your game -
it isn't hidden - and this isn't the first time free willers have tried to pull this kind of sham.
So, your analysis is completely wrong, is obvious, and can be seen by reading v4:4,
which confirms that all unbelievers are spiritually blind. There's simply no getting around that fact.
 
rogerg said:
I don't care what scholars may think or say; only what Scripture says, so stow it.
Your tactic is obvious, and it has failed miserably: you're trying to place the focus on the "if" in 4:3 to take visibility
off v4:4 which perfectly explains and completes v4:3. So, the jig is up for you and your game -
it isn't hidden - and this isn't the first time free willers have tried to pull this kind of sham.
So, your analysis is completely wrong, is obvious, and can be seen by reading v4:4,
which confirms that all unbelievers are spiritually blind. There's simply no getting around that fact.
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I seems in their theology Jesus was just yanking their proverbial chain when He said He came to open the eyes of the blind.

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Luke 4 v 18-19 The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor. with Isaiah 61 v 1 and Matthew 11 v 5 verses added
 
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Magenta said:
The whole world is blinded. The same world that cannot receive the Spirit of Truth.

The lovers of darkness opposed to the Spiritual things of God.

But free willers don't want to hear that.

They refuse to see it due to the hardness of their hearts.
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I think it is one of the standard subterfuges they employ to try to corrupt Scripture, Magenta - hate to say it that way but I believe it is true. The games lrs plays are despicable and mirror another guy who used to post here a while ago Bible- something or other- can't remember his full name right now. Anyway, now I that know what to look for I'll be able spot it quicker in the future.
 
rogerg said:
I think it is one of the standard subterfuges they employ to try to corrupt Scripture, Magenta - hate to say it that way but I believe it is true. The games lrs plays are despicable and mirror another guy who used to post here a while ago Bible- something or other- can't remember his full name right now. Anyway, now I that know what to look for I'll be able spot it quicker in the future.
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Bible_Highlighter? He said temporary enablement was provided which is just another way of saying
man's flesh does what Scripture says it cannot, once again ascribing to the natural man what only the
Spiritual man is capable of. Any way you look at it they have flesh pleasing God when Scripture says it cannot.

I wonder how he saw that working in his fantasy... Nicky Nicky Nine Doors? Only with windows.
 
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rogerg said:
I don't care what scholars may think or say; only what Scripture says, so stow it.
Your tactic is obvious, and it has failed miserably: you're trying to place the focus on the "if" in 4:3 to take visibility
off v4:4 which perfectly explains and completes v4:3. So, the jig is up for you and your game -
it isn't hidden - and this isn't the first time free willers have tried to pull this kind of sham.
So, your analysis is completely wrong, is obvious, and can be seen by reading v4:4,
which confirms that all unbelievers are spiritually blind. There's simply no getting around that fact.
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How do you understand the term "spiritually blind"?
 
Magenta said:
Bible_Highlighter? He said temporary enablement was provided which is just another way of saying
man's flesh does what Scripture says it cannot, once again ascribing to the natural man what only the
Spiritual man is capable of. Any way you look at it they have flesh pleasing God when Scripture says it cannot.

I wonder how he saw that working in his fantasy... Nicky Nicky Nine Doors? Only with windows.
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Yeah, that's him, Magenta. He argued using the exact same logic about a different verse
 
lrs68 said:
It is real and the reason it begins with IF means it doesn't happen like you think because you clearly don't understand the English language.
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You cant make it go away, a lost person cant believe the Gospel, for its hidden from them 2 Cor 4:3-4
 
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Genez said:
If you are laying on the ground, and the doctor asks you to hold your arm out so he can inject you with the antidote needed to save you from a poison you accidently ingested?

Did you save yourself by holding your arm out?
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Wonder if you laying on the ground dead and the doctor asked you to hold your arm out ?
 
GWH said:
God offers the gift of salvation
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Its not an offer, its an inheritance given. Its for heirs already picked out by God Heb 1:14

Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Matt 25 34

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

The heirs were chosen from the foundation of the world.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Do you know what an inheritance is ?
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[1Pe 1:2, 4 KJV]
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. ...
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
 
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