Sure it can....
1Ti 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the (kosmos) world, received up into glory.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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1Ti 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the (kosmos) world, received up into glory.
No, it doesn't and you saying it doesn't make it so. You just can't comprehend the complete verse and the one following it.
They're both are relevant. I'm done.
On the contrary I am quite credible if a person possesses a modicum of biblical literacy.
The verse preceding it says, "nor do we distort the word of God (that is, veil it , i.e. 'we do not practice in deceit'). On the contrary, by open proclamation of the truth, we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."
And there is no man whose conscience is not in the sight of God.
Let me just ask something simple...
If it rains tomorrow we will cancel the picnic.
Did I say we are going to cancel the picnic or we will cancel if it rains?
I just want you to understand my viewpoint here.
From me saying if it rains tomorrow we will cancel the picnic does that mean if it's nice and sunny we're going to cancel the picnic?
I bet you are done because if this was a court room with a judge and I begin with IF the judge knows what I say afterwards are just words that don't mean anything.
Not at all connected as per usual, and not even true that I have never made any type of statement about sin not having consequences on a person.
What I have repeatedly stated, is that man is not born unable to respond positively to the Good News of Christ Jesus.
You guys have major comprehension problems.
You stated that the world, meaning every single person, hates God.
"That's because the God-hating world literally doesn't want anything to do with wanting the God of the bible. "
And who made people this way, with a heart that hates God from birth which you guys keep harping on? Is God no longer sovereign anymore?
At least accept the logical conclusion of you Augustinian doctrine.
No, it's because it doesn't do any good for me to argue with someone who doesn't understand what he's reading and is
trying to pass it off like he does.
"If you've been in the game for a half-hour and you don't know who the patsy is, you're the patsy."
-Warren Buffett
"First and foremost in Calvinism, you are not supremely blessed because you became a Christian, but instead you were supremely blessed because you were a preferred-unbeliever.
In other words, in Calvinism, being a Christian is neither pivotal nor the turning point, in order to access God’s spiritual blessings.
Rather, being secretly loved and chosen from eternity as a preferred-unbeliever is the tipping point.
Such a person’s specialness to God is thus derived from something other than knowing Christ, but is instead derived from a special, secret relationship hidden in God the Father."
Richard Coords
Examining Calvinism 2024.
Yes this is what we are being told daily on this thread, but they are not Calvinist.
In other words, in Calvinism, being a Christian is neither pivotal nor the turning point, in order to access God’s spiritual blessings.
Rather, being secretly loved and chosen from eternity as a preferred-unbeliever is the tipping point.
Such a person’s specialness to God is thus derived from something other than knowing Christ, but is instead derived from a special, secret relationship hidden in God the Father."
Richard Coords
Examining Calvinism 2024.
Yes this is what we are being told daily on this thread, but they are not Calvinist.
A wise legit dedicated student of Scripture would conduct a comprehensive word study on the conjunction "IF" and make the necessary doctrinal course corrections.
Or you could shut your brain off and mindlessly parrot Calvinist dogma your choice.
Remove the IF and the Verse has a different meaning.
But God added the IF.
So you aren't telling me I am wrong.
You are telling God that He's doesn't know what He is doing.
No, I'm saying you don't comprehend what you're reading. Your interpretation of it is wrong.
[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
yep the God of the if bible, I've seen it many times here, quite common with free will, it's also common with a works based salvation
Maybe @cv5 and @lrs68 can riggle out of these people in Jude dont see the light either.
Jude
Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.
12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
